Old 5th January 2005, 01:02   #1
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Ripping bubbly noises

Hi,

I don't know what exactly the problem is, but I have tried using the NERO 5.5 wnaspi32.dll and the NERO 6.0 wnaspi32.dll and the newest version using the adaptec updater, and every time i attempt to rip a song, the rip completes fine, but during playback, it either ends abruptly (i.e. 2:22 length song, stops at 1:58) or has odd gurgling distortion throughout the majority of the song.

If anyone else has had this problem please let me know. So far I've encountered this problem with WinampPro versions 5.03, 5.07, and 5.08.

I'd really like to get this part of Winamp running, so I could turn some of my CDs into MP3 CDs, but thus far I'm experiencing a lot of problems.

=(

My System Specs:
OS: WinXP Pro SP2
Ram: 512Mb PC2100
Motherboard: ECS K7S5A
Processor: AMD XP 2000
Sound Card: Santa Cruz Turtle Beach
Video Card: VisionTek GeForce3 Ti500
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 01:54   #2
JonnyMac
Moderator
 
JonnyMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 14,373
Quote:
Ripping bubbly noises
Are you ripping Lawrence Welk CDs?

Maybe this (credit to DJ Egg)...
Uncheck "use sonic engine" (or words to that effect) in:
Prefs > CD Ripping > Ripping tab

Please do not PM me for tech support. Any request for tech support through PM will be ignored.
Read the Stickies
---> | | | | <--- Knowledge is power
JonnyMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 02:01   #3
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
I've tried that with every single file and version, exhausting all the options. However, I've finally gotten a full CD of clean rips when ripping to m4a instead of mp3. This is but a small step though, since my car mp3 player can only play mp3's and wma files, unless m4a is similar enough to mp3 that is. I'll test the m4a format in my CD player soon. Is there a m4a -> mp3 converter out there somewhere? if so that'd work fine, a little annoying since i'd like to have all of my songs in VBR 128-320kbps format.

I never assumed a piece of software I paid for could perform this badly..
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 02:04   #4
gaekwad2
Foorum King
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: bar2000
Posts: 11,148
M4a doesn't play in an mp3 player.

If the bubbling sounds are caused by the mp3 encoder, what settings are you using?

(Since I guess you're going for rather low bitrates, try --alt preset abr.)

Fuck this place.
gaekwad2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 02:26   #5
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
I just attempted to play the m4a's to see if they were supported, they aren't.

The settings I'm attempting to rip mp3s with are as follows:

MP3 Encoder v1.2
--alt-preset standard, VBR Q:2, VBR min bitrate: 128, max: 320

at unlimited speed, with the sonic engine turned on, using the Nero 6.0 wnaspi32.dll in the %windows%\system32 folder

I've gotten 1 song to rip correctly using these settings (over numerous attempts which ended in failure) and 0 successes using any other setup.

I'm now attempting to rip using my main CD drive, instead of my secondary drive, and see if that helps at all. (it has the SPDIF cable going between it and the sound card, no idea if that matters although if I was able to encode one song correctly, it seems I should be able to do more) (MidPost update: changing drives didn't do squat)

And if you want to hear what I'm talking about with the bubbly noises, here is an mp3 that was just made using a clean install of winamp pro 5.08.

www.latech.edu/~cgc007/test.mp3

I also just tried using the --alt-preset abr use mentioned, and the resulting mp3 ended 9s into the 2:36 song...
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 02:56   #6
gaekwad2
Foorum King
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: bar2000
Posts: 11,148
I recommended --alt-preset abr because when you mentioned bubbly sounds I thought of typical low-bitrate artifacts.

But I don't know about these, if I had to guess I'd say they sound like read errors, but the way you describe it they seem to be caused by the encoder.

You could try replacing lame_enc.dll (in winamp\plugins) with another version from ie. rarewares.

Or try ripping to uncompressed .wav and encode either with lame.exe (via command line or batch file) or an encoder like lamedropXPd.

Or use another (free) ripper like EAC or CDex.

Edit: Or check your computer for virusses, spyware etc. (do a forum search if you don't know how, there are plenty of threads about those things)

Fuck this place.
gaekwad2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2005, 04:34   #7
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
The noises are definately encoder errors, and as for trying to run LAME via command line, i tried that with the version from souceforge.net about a week ago, and i was getting some repeated error.

I also keep my computer in pretty decent shape, run adaware, scan for virii weekly, that sort of stuff. Really doesn't make a whole lot of sense that I can encode to m4a correctly, yet no means of doing so in mp3 seem to work. I'll try out those free rippers you mentioned. Thanks
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th January 2005, 01:30   #8
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Well, now I'm beginning to think there could be something I have installed on my computer somewhere that is completely garbling any MP3 made with any program. CDex did the same exact thing that Winamp does, with the wonderful bubbly noises...

Any ideas?
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th January 2005, 02:14   #9
gaekwad2
Foorum King
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: bar2000
Posts: 11,148
Try Spybot S&D, maybe it catches something Ad-Aware missed.

And you could post a HijackThis log (either here or on a specialised forum).

Fuck this place.
gaekwad2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th January 2005, 03:09   #10
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
"with the sonic engine turned on, using the Nero 6.0 wnaspi32.dll in the %windows%\system32 folder"

Ok, that statement is highly flawed.
First of all, if "use sonic engine" is on (checkmarked) then wnaspi32.dll won't be used at all. Winamp will use the bundled Sonic Engine instead.
Secondly, the v6 version of Nero's wnaspi32.dll needs to be in the Winamp root dir, not System32.
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....65#post1223065

btw, stick with --alt-preset standard for the best quality (imo).

But yeah, if the problem persists, then please post a HJT log (I'm a specialist).
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 7th January 2005, 22:22   #11
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Alright, I downloaded SB:S&D and found a crapload of extra spyware/malware Adaware didn't catch.

Spybot also keeps closing before it is allowed to finish removing everything, so I went and downloaded hijackthis too, and made a logfile.

http://www.latech.edu/~cgc007/hijackthis.log

So, somethings wrong, dunno what... help please?

Thanks for all the assistance =)
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th January 2005, 13:14   #12
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Hmm. I don't see any actual malware in your log - unless some apparently legit file has been overwritten?
It would've been nice to see the log BEFORE you ran Adaware & SpybotSD scans...


The only potentially suspicious entry is:

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = file:///C:/home/start.html

If this isn't your own personal local home page, then I suggest that you fix this entry asap, and delete that folder/file.


Try running a scan with CWShredder (direct download)
Note: you must close all browser and Explorer windows first (same applies to when scanning with SpybotSD).


Apart from that, there's just one or two useless resource-hogging startup entries, which are all legit/safe, but don't really need to be running at startup (eg. CloneCD driver check and Norton Speed Disk Service).

Although I've never heard of it before, I'm also assuming that Banshee Screamer Alarm is safe ?!


Apart from all that, keep trying to run SpybotSD until you get a clean result (remember to close all browser and explorer windows first),
and check the Turtle Beach site for updated sound drivers.
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8th January 2005, 15:43   #13
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Yeah the homepage is a personally created one, and banshee screamer alarm is just an alarm clock program.

I completely forgot to see if there were newer drivers for my soundcard, partly because it is kinda old, but i'll go try that, as well as running CWShredder.

Thanks for all the help Egg =)

Camien
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th January 2005, 21:54   #14
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
I just checked for newer drivers, had the newest ones.

Ran CWShredder, no threats found.

Tried using the Nero 5.5 wnasip32.dll and the Nero 6.0 in their proper places, as well as the newest Adaptec wnaspi32.dll (which gave me an error). No joy. The 5.5 driver (or whichever one goes in the system32 folder) gave me bubbly noises, the 6.0 driver (or whichever one goes in the winamp dir) only ripped 4-6 seconds of the song, and it was all chopped to hell and back, no bubbles though.

I've tried a multitude of different CDs.

I have yet to get Spybot to completely get rid of all the spyware, I even tried booting up in safe mode. Did the same thing, progress bar on the bottom of Spybot gets about 10-20% across, freezes, and then the program closes.

The thing thats really getting me is, I used to use musicmatch for ripping CDs a while bak (around 2002 or so) and it worked fine. My sound hardware is the same thing now as it was then. Granted, it wasn't LAME encoding, but I don't see how that should make much of a difference.

As a side note, I have tried CBR and ABR and they both gave the same results (the bubbly noises).

I really don't know what else to do short of a format and reinstall to get whatever the hell the problem is gone, but I fear that won't fix anything. I suppose I could attempt to install 98SE on another partition and see if that might work.

Any Ideas? =(
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 00:17   #15
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Yeah, the CWShredder suggestion was mainly because I thought start.html was possibly a CoolWebSearch variant, heh.

Did the problem also occur before installing the Adaptec ASPI Layer?
Adaptec ASPI isn't recommended for use with WinXP...

However, if the problem doesn't occur when ripping to m4a, aac, or wav (can you please confirm this) then this suggests that it's not aspi or the cd drive to blame, but some issue/conflict with the Lame Encoder . . . or it could be something else which isn't showing up in the HJT log.

Open up SpybotSD again.
Run the scan again but don't try to fix anything yet.
From the "Mode" menu at the top, select "Advanced"
then go to: Tools (left pane) > View Report
(make sure everything's checkmarked except for "do not report disabled or legit items")
Click the "View Report" button at the top
then click the "Export" button
and attach the log here.


Although I'm a bit baffled by this, I haven't given up yet...
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 05:12   #16
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Yes the problem occured before installing the Adaptec ASPI, I did that because it was messed up. I've been able to rip to m4a, wav, and aac.

Following Link for my Spybot S&D report: http://www.latech.edu/~cgc007/SDRep.txt

I told it to stop reporting the DSO Exploit because I was tired of unchecking it (and I thought that might have been the reason it was closing) but I made sure everything else but that was unchecked so it would be caught.

And by the way, thanks for not getting overly frustrated and throwing your hands up, as I'm sure I would have a long time ago =)
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 14:26   #17
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Ok, the SpybotSD log has proved useful.
You've previously had NavExcel , WhenU.SaveNow, and BargainsBuddy infections.

It's probable that Adaware removed some but not all of the components/registry entries.
This is why I always recommend running SpybotSD first, then Adaware afterwards.

I'm attaching a registry fix which will delete the relevant registry entries.

Unzip regfix.reg from the zip and run it to merge it with the registry.

You MUST close ALL Internet Explorer windows and Windows XP folders BEFORE running the reg fix.

Note: This regfix is for Camien ONLY!


The regfix will also add some tracking cookie sites to the Restricted Zone in Internet Explorer Security settings. This will prevent them from coming back.

After running the regfix, you should go to:
Control Panel > Internet Settings > General tab > 'Settings' button > 'View Files' button, and manually delete the following cookies:

*@advertising.com
*@avenuea.com
*@bfast.com
*@clickagents.com
*@CoreMetrics.com
*@doubleclick.net
*@hitbox.com
*@excite.com
*@mediaplex.com
*@sextracker.com
*@targetnet.com
*@valueclick.com
*@webtrendslive.com

where * = cookie:username


Whilst in there, also empty your internet cache
(IE Control Panel > General tab > Temp Internet Files > Delete)


Next, it is recommended that you reboot.


Now run SpybotSD scan again and confirm that your system is clean
(be sure to get the latest detection updates before running the scan).


Recommended:
You can add more tracking cookie sites to the Restricted Zone, as well as preventing most spyware/adware from ever getting on to your system, by installing SpywareBlaster


I'm not saying that this is definitely the cause/solution of your MP3 Encoding problem, but it certainly won't do any harm to get your system clean first.


Please report back here with any updates.
Good luck.
Attached Files
File Type: zip regfix.zip (675 Bytes, 171 views)
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 14:50   #18
Nunzio390
Nugatory Aluminator
Look it up

 
Nunzio390's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands)
Posts: 8,590
Send a message via AIM to Nunzio390 Send a message via Yahoo to Nunzio390
As always, excellent, Egg!

TO ALL EXCEPT CAMIEN...

As DJ Egg mentioned above and in case anyone skimmed over it, here it is again...

Note: This regfix is for Camien ONLY!

So nobody should download and run regfix.zip (attachment in post above) except for Camien, since it's specific to his system only.

@ Camien...

DJ Egg has a few "Unofficial" forums titles that he's been "crowned" with...

- DJ EGG -

ROYAL REGMEISTER
ROYAL GOOGLEMEISTER
SpybotSD log SPECIALIST
HijackThis log SPECIALIST

Don't email or PM me concerning Winamp. Instead, either start a NEW TOPIC or post a REPLY in the appropriate thread in these forums. This will also benefit others who may have a similar question or problem. But before posting, please first Search the forums and read all FAQs and all Sticky threads.

ORB Remote Broadcast

[ Automated Jukebox | Nunzio's Home | Wacky Videos | Solve the Prunella Puzzle! ]
[ LINE RIDER! | My Resume | Virtual Chess | Composite Sketch | My Niece's Band ]
[ Plugins by Joonas | DrO's Winamp Plugins and Extras | K-Jöfol ]
Nunzio390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 18:24   #19
JonnyMac
Moderator
 
JonnyMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 14,373
Quote:
Originally posted by Nunzio390
As always, excellent, Egg!

- DJ EGG -

SpybotSD log SPECIALIST
HijackThis log SPECIALIST
Like the firefighter who secretly set fires, only to put them out and look like the hero. Or, the reporter who creates a story, only to be there first on the scene and look like the ace reporter. You kind of have to wonder about DJ Egg's amazing ability to spot malware and decipher HjT/Spybot logs. He is good, but maybe too good.
(J/K)

Please do not PM me for tech support. Any request for tech support through PM will be ignored.
Read the Stickies
---> | | | | <--- Knowledge is power
JonnyMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 19:09   #20
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Well Egg, now my system is completely clean, I deleted all my cache files and cookies for IE and Firefox, used that regfile you gave me, and rebooted.

Then what happened made me really happy, I ripped a song and it was perfect! So I tried another song, and it was all bubbly like normal.

This lead me to believe that something was going wrong after ripping a song once, so I rebooted again, and attempted to rip the whole CD and see if I could get any results. All of them were messed up.

Still dunno what's wrong, but at least my system is clean (I ran SpybotSD and it came back with 0 hits, same thing for AdAware)
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 20:06   #21
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Ok, let's try a new approach...

Let's try ripping a CD with CDex and the Fraunhofer system MP3 Codec.

If you don't have the Professional (unlimited) version, get it here

CDex > Settings > Encoder tab
Change drop-down to Windows MP3 Codec

Try ripping with the default settings first.
If the problem persists, go back to CDex Settings,
and play around with some settings under "CD Drive" tab,
eg. change "Ripping Method" to "Paranoia, Full",
checkmark "use native nt scsi library"
(try this with both Fraunhofer and LAME 3.96.1 / 3.9x encoders)


Again, let us know the results.


@Nunzio/JM
hehe, lol
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 9th January 2005, 21:05   #22
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
Alrighty, that seems to have pinpointed the problem.

CDex using the Fraunhofer Codec works beautifully, trying it with LAME is causing CDex to crash once it gets to 99%.

Any ideas on what is causing LAME to hate me?
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2005, 14:21   #23
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
I also tried replacing winamp's default lame_enc.dll with the newest version available on SourceForge. This also didn't fix the problem.
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2005, 15:49   #24
gaekwad2
Foorum King
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: bar2000
Posts: 11,148
Are there Lame binaries on sourceforge, I could only find the links to eg. Mitiok and Rarewares.

The Rarewares binaries were all compiled using Intel's ICL compiler, maybe that causes the problems. If you tried any of them did you also download libmmd.dll and put it into system32 (should afaik only be necessary for ICL7.1 and 8.1 though)?

On Mitiok's page I couldn't find any information about the compiler used, maybe somebody knows where to find MSVC or GCC compiles?

If you want you could also try Gogo-no-coda (available from Rarewares).

It's a modified version of Lame 3.88 so it might be interesting to see if it works, the dll works directly with CDex, the exe version offers more options though (as usual).

A parameter string (to be used in CDex) for the exe that might produce comparable results to Lame alt-preset standard would be -v 0 -q 0 -m j -vb 160 320 %1 %2.

Maybe you'll have to raise the minimum bitrate even further (160 in this case vs Lame's 128), vbr without limiting the minimum bitrate doesn't produce transparent results so with the dll you'd probably have to use 320 cbr.

Fuck this place.
gaekwad2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2005, 19:19   #25
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
i tried compiling lame on my computer, (I have VC++ 6.0) and I got an error. "'nasmw' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file."

Not sure what that is since i've never seen it before. As for everything else you mentioned in your post, I'm not sure what you're talking about and it confuses me.
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2005, 19:35   #26
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Did you actually try any of the lame_enc.dll's from the 3.97a, 3.96, 3.93 and 3.90 bundles on rarewares?

ie. download the bundle, extract lame_enc.dll from the zip and place it in the winamp\plugins and/or CDex folders, thus overwriting the existing version.

Note, in order to overwrite the lame_enc.dll, you'll need to close & reopen winamp inbetween.
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2005, 20:34   #27
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
All ripping was done with the Sonic Extractor Engine (since that is the one that gave the "best" results so far), at Unlimited speed using the -alt --preset standard. The song ripped in each attempt was Territorial Pissings, off of Nirvana's Nevermind album. I chose this song since it is the shortest one on the CD. The song is 2m 22s long. The CD itself is in decent condition (few faint scratches). This CD was ripped as a whole perfectly using the Fraunhofer Encoder with CDex.

Attempted the following versions of LAME, closed and reopened winamp after each new .dll:

I didn't mean to do so many tries with 3.97a however, I noticed later that while winamp was open, I couldn't extract the lame_enc.dll over the one in the plugins dir. Windows wasn't giving me guff so I couldn't tell until I went back to 3.97a and it was the same date and size as the one that was already in there, which led me to believe I had been using it repeatedly instead of using the other versions too.

3.97a
Attempt 1: Ended at 1:47.
Attempt 2: Ended at 0:02.
Attempt 3: Ended at 0:08.
Attempt 4: Ended at 0:12.
Attempt 5: Ended at 0:09.
Attempt 6: Successful.
Attempt 7: bubbly noise began at 0:15.
Attempt 8: Ended at 0:05.
Attempt 9: Ended at 0:02.
Attempt 10: Ended at 0:40.
Attempt 11: Bubbly noise started at 0:22.
Attempt 12: Ended at 1:47.
Attempt 13: Ended at 0:42.
Attempt 14: Bubbles started at 0:04, song stopped at 1:52.

3.96.1
Attempt 1: Ended at 0:02.
Attempt 2: Ended at 0:37.
Attempt 3: Ended at 0:25.

3.93.1 - Encoded Much slower than the previous versions.
Attempt 1: Ended at 2:13.
Attempt 2: Ended at 0:04.
Attempt 3: Ended at 1:04.

3.90.3
Attempt 1: Ended at 0:38.
Attempt 2: Ended at 0:08.
Attempt 3: Ended at 0:35.

Here is a HiJackThis log of everything that was running at the time of the encoding attempts.

HiJackThis.log
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2005, 04:59   #28
Camien
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 16
*wonders if you forgot about him*

...Hey Egg... Think of anything yet??

I'm still as confused as to what the problem is as ever. Any ideas?
Camien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2005, 10:28   #29
DJ Egg
Techorator
Winamp Team
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 35,497
Hi Camien.

Sorry, but I'm really not sure what's causing it.
I've never come across a problem like this before with Lame_Enc.
Try closing all running programs first, including CloneCD, Steam, Trillian, all Norton processes/services, etc.
DJ Egg is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply
Go Back   Winamp & SHOUTcast Forums > Winamp > Winamp Technical Support

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump