Dynamic Library v1.0 readme/website - Page 2

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 08:37

I'm still a supporter of a 1.0 readme. At least there would be a finished product available for everyone who downloaded v1.0 from the Winamp site. In addition we could make a 1.1 readme which we could try to keep as up to date as possible and finish that one when 1.1 comes out.
Not sure how we would do that, but I think I'd prefer a complete copy of the 'finished' 1.0 readme which we would continualle update.

For the 1.0 readme, this could be added to the known issues:
- When DL is installed, Winamp will hang on a forced Windows shut down.
- Alt+S, Alt+M and Ctrl+P hotkeys cause conflicts with other Winamp hotkeys.
And maybe a note that this has been fixed in the next version.
(see below, I think I'll do it myself

)

Quote:

Originally posted by jojo 544
'Display files and playlists that originate..' option
does realy what it sais, however when i made a playlist containing files that are residing in maps that don't exist in the DL tree, the files are not showed

I don't get it?
In search mode only? In version 1.0? Or is it a bug in a beta release? Will test later...

(btw, you really should call a folder a folder, and not a map

)

Billy, is it ok if I take your readme now and change some stuff to upload it later? You can then change things again.
I'll also make some changes to the html source, do you mind to work on it in Notepad in the future? (otherwise Frontpage will mess up things again)

Jojo, I think it's best to use billy's version as a base now, since his one is in html. I will now see if there are things in your version which could be added to his so we end up having one version. Of course you should comment afterwards if you think I forgot things.

For now I'll remove any references to 1.1 features, I'll store them in a separate file to be easily added in later.

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 08:59

Quote:

Originally posted by siebe83
I'm still a supporter of a 1.0 readme. At least there would be a finished product available for everyone who downloaded v1.0 from the Winamp site. In addition we could make a 1.1 readme which we could try to keep as up to date as possible and finish that one when 1.1 comes out.
Not sure how we would do that, but I think I'd prefer a complete copy of the 'finished' 1.0 readme which we would continualle update.

Exactly my idea

Quote:

Originally posted by siebe83
Jojo, I think it's best to use billy's version as a base now, since his one is in html. I will now see if there are things in your version which could be added to his so we end up having one version. Of course you should comment afterwards if you think I forgot things.

Perfect !
I already made some comments in my last 2 posts, but here some more: i miss the lines that explain the counter. I think they would fit in best under 'DL window'.
In terminology i would also change the order a bit, so that list view and tree view are next to another (same for search and browse mode)

Quote:

For now I'll remove any references to 1.1 features, I'll store them in a separate file to be easily added in later.

Why not make 2 versions of the readme, one for 1.0 and one for 1.1 'which we would continualle update' instead of storing things in a separate file? Just a thought...

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 09:23

Quote:

Originally posted by jojo 544
I already made some comments in my last 2 posts, but here some more: i miss the lines that explain the counter. I think they would fit in best under 'DL window'.

Will do

Quote:

In terminology i would also change the order a bit, so that list view and tree view are next to another (same for search and browse mode)

Exactly what I've done

Part of the coming change log:
* Changed order of 'Terminology'

Quote:

Why not make 2 versions of the readme, one for 1.0 and one for 1.1 'which we would continualle update' instead of storing things in a separate file? Just a thought...

Because then you would have to do all changes twice: in the 1.0 AND the 1.1 version. So I think it'd be better to finish the 1.0 version first, and then work on the 1.1 version.
(since when you change something in the 1.0 version, you'd have to change it in the 1.1 version as well...)

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 09:26

That makes sense (like you always do

).
I think for the 1.0 almost everything is there to be finished tho, but then again i might be missing somethings

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 11:49

Yeah, you are missing things

Nah seriously, there's a lot that still has to be done I think. I've temporarily uploaded what I have now here:
http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html

Changelog:

* Fixed reference #Display in listview (it said #Diplay in listview)
* Added stuff to 'Installation'
* Added target="_blank" to all external links (so links are opened in new window)
* Removed a lot of 'useles'   characters
* Fixed typos (won't mention them all here; not a lot, btw)
* Changed order of 'Terminology'
* Added a bit at Prefs > Winamp integration
* Added hotkey Alt+M
* Made some new screenshots
* A lot of html and layout changes.
* More content. Small things and bigger things, forgot writing them down here... Also rephrased things. I like full sentences better
* Messed around with caps. Since Jonas wrote almost everything in lowercase, I think it's good to be consistent.
treeview, listview, root, playlist, file, folder, cache; all is in lowercase now (I hope). Only when mentioning Search mode and Browse mode, caps are used (I think). I tend to be a nit-picker with such things, forgive me

I won't post the .zip here yet, will do in a few hours. I want to change some stuff first. See the red comments for what stuff I mean

And I still have to look at some of your points in your previous posts (and in your version).

If you have more comments after seeing this version (and my remarks in red in it), let me know.

Billy, I hope you don't mind I remade some screenshots. Your ones displayed very weird (later I realized that was probably because you forgot to adjust the width and height values in the img tags, but well...). Also, mine are smaller now...

Nunzio, if you read this: what's your view on using .png files in webpages? Those files are really small with simple pics and the quality is perfect, but maybe it's not supported by all browsers, dunno?

Nunzio390 · 19th March 2005, 13:03

Quote:

Nunzio, if you read this: what's your view on using .png files in webpages? Those files are really small with simple pics and the quality is perfect, but maybe it's not supported by all browsers, dunno?

LOL. I'm reading it. I'm still subscribed here.

Use .jpg or .gif (especially if transparency is needed) instead, siebe. More universally supported and no chance of cross-browser display problems.

btw... looking good!

[Slightly off-topic]

I just recommended DL to somebody but I'm uncertain if DL can do what he wants since I can't test it on my Win95 box, and I'd appreciate it if you or another DL power-user would read my response in that thread, and correct me if needed.

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 13:05

Ok, thanks. Will do that

[edit]
Mmh, with .gif the quality is bad, and with jpg you can't set transparency

Nunzio390 · 19th March 2005, 13:40

I know that transparency can not be used with .jpg and that's why I recommended .gif for transparency.

What are you using? I use Paint Shop Pro to save to .gif and the quality always comes out great. If you look at my attached screenshots in any of my posts here, or look at any of the images I reference that are stored at my site, all my .gif files (transparent or otherwise) are of very good quality.

I would create the screenshots for you but unfortunately I can't since I can not install DL.

[EDIT]

Okay, let's do this...

ZIP up all the .png files you have created and intend to use and email to me at webmaster@nunzioweb.com as a file attachment. I'll convert them all for you to .gif with no quality loss, and upload a newly created ZIP file containing the GIF conversions to your server so that you can FTP in and grab the converted files there. The converted file sizes will be slightly larger but still acceptable for effective web presentation.

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 14:11

Thanks for the offer Nunzio

I will try to figure it out myself first (I got to learn it one day

) and if we really don't succed I'll send it to you in a .zip. I'll let you know

Nunzio390 · 19th March 2005, 14:50

Okay. No probs

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 14:53

I'll look at that thread you linked to later, btw...

(if no-one else replies)

http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html

Changelog:
* As above
* Added known issues
* Tables containing pics redone
* Made more new screenshots. I just didn't like the big white surfaces in the old pics and I wanted to add transparency. Was easier to just make new ones.
At the moment .png files, will try to convert them to .gif later
* Some general changes

Still to do today:
* Go through all red remarks
* Go through jojo's readme one more time to see if I forgot things
* Something with the shortcut table (not sure yet what)
* Fix stuff I broke myself
* gif's

Maybe today, maybe later:
* More, ehm how did you call it billy? Internal links to make terminolgy section useful, etc.
* Test stuff to see how it behaves (i.e in DL)

Especially the options we don't quite understand ourselves are important to explain: readers probably won't understand either

billyvnilly · 19th March 2005, 17:57

yes its ok if you change my walkthrough by all means
(

you got a lot done !

while i was asleep)

yeah i shoulda thought of using png...good thinking file size is drastically reduced.

what i mean is, i can go through and find/replace all mention of treeview, etc. and have it hyperlink to its terminology target. but i may become overkill. [ok, just looked at your WIP, i love what youve done.

also thankyou for cleaning up code, frontpage is all i know right now (and its quick)

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 18:34

* png's converted to gif's now

@billyvnilly, Nunzio advised to use gif instead

Mmmh... Billy, do you think you can change things using Notepad from now on? I'd rather not see Frontpage messing things up again... I prefer letting you mess with the code and break things to Frontpage messing with the code and break things

It isn't that hard, html... It's just text.
All you really need to know is:
<p>Here is a paragraph</p>
<br> (line break)
As of now, all text is in paragraphs (except for headers). <br>'s are only used inside paragraphs.
To refer to one of the terminology (or other) targets, use:
<a href="#Root">this is the link</a>, which will redirect to <a name="Root">Roots</a>

The rest is all irrelevant to you, I think... If you want other things (eg. bold text, etc), just type it in brackets behind it and I'll notice and do it...

Actually, you also could post the new content here and I'll put it in. Maybe that's easier? Doesn't matter to me... That way both you and jojo could provide content and I'll put it in. Just for the 1.0 version; we'll see what we do for the 1.1 version.

See what you want... If you want the .zip file, will you work on it right now? Otherwise I'd rather wait another hour so I can do some other things to it myself first.

billyvnilly · 19th March 2005, 18:54

yes, i see what you mean, i was going to post updated stuff i just did, but i did it in frontpage. and yes it did jack some of it up!

*VDIIb - perhaps a .gif to explain what the difference is

*VB -add "You can add roots from the <a href="#rclicktreefolder">treeview</a> or <a href="#Miscellaneous">Miscellaneous Tab</a> in references. When we say root we are not referring to subfolders."

i suppose in the html, if you did find/replace for " treeview" with "<a href="#rclicktreefolder">treeview</a>" that would work correct? you wouldnt be replacing the already existing "treeview" in the link brackets because of the space.

ok, well i gotta go study...im not spending $24,000/yr to play on the internet.

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 19:19

Quote:

Originally posted by billyvnilly
*VDIIb - perhaps a .gif to explain what the difference is

Like this?
Not completely satisfied yet, but something like that I guess

Quote:

ok, well i gotta go study...im not spending $24,000/yr to play on the internet.

Sure...

I know the feeling. Well, we got scholarships here, but still, not indefinitely...

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 20:09

If you don't want this in i'll stop nagging about it

, but here's another reminder:
-column order can be changed
-counter thingy
-Double and triple funktion for Hotkeys see my post on prev. page)
What else can i say, it looks great already.
Jonas is going to like this i think

Let's finish this baby

Nunzio390 · 19th March 2005, 20:25

@ siebe...

Since it appears that you'll be editing the HTML itself I thought I'd make a small recommendation, to make it more user-friendly.

Since the "menu" or "index" appears at the top of the DL walkthrough page, and since clicking on each entry brings you to the pertinent section, you may also consider including "back to top" or "back to menu" or "back to index" links at the bottom of each section as well.

For instance, my streaming audio article includes "Back to Top" links. But there is also my chat tutorial, for my hardly-used and cobweb-infested chatroom as well. Now the chat tutorial has an indexing structure very similar to your DL walkthrough page. And as you can see, I've included "Back to the top" links that take you right back to the chat tutorial "index".

You may want to consider doing the same thing. That way, the site visitor can go to a section that interests him/her and then pop right back to the "index" again to look for another specific section that interests him/her, instead of having to scroll up and down the page to locate a particular section of interest.

Just a consideration.

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 20:45

Jojo, what do you think of the hotkeys like this?
Too bad that the Alt+G hotkey doesn't seem to work. Might be another thing to add to the know issues

Does it work for you?
For me it's just always Ctrl+G that does the job: in Search mode it just depends on wether treeview or listview is focused...

I'll look at the other things later (really, I will

).

Nunzio, great idea!

Indeed it would be useful to allow readers to jump to the start of the page. Will have to think of how to implement it exactly, but I certainly will... I like the way you did it in your streaming audio article, but that might look a bit weird in the readme since a lot of parts are indented on the left (i.e. centering could look odd), so I think I'll go with the way you did it in your chat tutorial. Or maybe I'll think of another way

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 21:23

Quote:

Originally posted by siebe83
Jojo, what do you think of the hotkeys like this?
Too bad that the Alt+G hotkey doesn't seem to work. Might be another thing to add to the know issues
Does it work for you?
For me it's just always Ctrl+G that does the job: in Search mode it just depends on wether treeview or listview is focused...

Hotkeys looking nice

only:
Yes it's Ctrl+G, only in searchmode treeview it (edit) shows Alt+G in the menu, but it's the Ctrl+g that works (/edit)
A bit silly 2 keys for the same thing in the other view

It still is that way in the 1.1. Something is broken with that function also in 1.1, when going to folder, i get the folder selected in the tree, but in the list there are a lot of files displayed that realy are not in that folder. Something to report to Jonas.

edit2, the files that aren't suposed to be there are from a root playlist

(and the files that sould be there aren't)

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 21:27

So you are saying Alt+G IS working for you? It doesn't work for me at all. In Search mode treeview, Alt+G doesn't do anything for me...

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 21:40

OK, i edited my post, i think it's the same for me than it is for you.

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 21:44

Ok, another known issue then

[edit]
Do you think it's worth mentioning? It's only a wrong indicator after all; the shortcuts are working fine... (i.e. Ctrl+G everywhere, instead of the separate Alt+G as displayed in the right-click menu)

[edit2]
Well, I mentioned it under Hotkeys, will also mention it under 'right-click treeview in search mode' menu.

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 21:52

Maybe mention just as known issue? (wrong indicator could be confusing)

siebe83 · 19th March 2005, 22:12

Done...

Preferences are practically ready. Only this one still confuses me:

"Stop searching in subfolders when found a match"
Search as you type.HUH?! I believe it's something different. A weird request by someone, while in Search mode certain things happen with subfolders and search strings I think -siebe

And this one as well...

"...files and playlists that originate from a playlist root in Search mode*"

Then you said this

Quote:

Originally posted by jojo 544
'Display files and playlists that originate..' option
does realy what it sais, however when i made a playlist containing files that are residing in maps that don't exist in the DL tree, the files are not showed

I can't reproduce it. It works fine for me...

Uploaded new version...
http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html
Still some red text, but most of it has gone now...
No more for today...

jojo 544 · 19th March 2005, 23:05

...files and playlists that originate from a playlist root in Search mode...
I think i got it, the problem of not showing only happens for playlists that are NOT root playlists.
...Search as you type...
Isn't that what DL does?
...Stop searching in subfolders when found a match...
Lets ask Jonas for HELP !

* Bedtime * zzzzzzzzz

siebe83 · 20th March 2005, 10:36

Quote:

Originally posted by jojo 544
...files and playlists that originate from a playlist root in Search mode...
I think i got it, the problem of not showing only happens for playlists that are NOT root playlists.

Ok, I understand what you mean now. I didn't read carefully...

Will mention it...

Quote:

...Search as you type...
Isn't that what DL does?

Yes, but it hasn't anything to do with the following option:

Quote:

...Stop searching in subfolders when found a match...
Lets ask Jonas for HELP !

I think I get it now. Just got to find a way to explain it properly.. Probably with examples or something...

Mmmh, guess we should mention that somewhere as well... Jump as you type... But where.. ?
And how did it work? It would first look for artist, then title if not found, and then album?

Mmh, some things I should not forget:

~~By the searchbar i would somehow note that its an easy way to search ALL files of ALL roots~~ [edit3](is clearly mentioned at search mode... a few lines above)[/edit]

'Display files and playlists that originate..' option

*VB -add "You can add roots from the <a href="#rclicktreefolder">treeview</a> or <a href="#Miscellaneous">Miscellaneous Tab</a> in references. When we say root we are not referring to subfolders."

~~-column order can be changed~~
~~-counter thingy~~ [edit6]including a screenshot [/edit]

back to top links

[edit]
Other things to do:
* re-do menu (well not redo, but remove hard spaces and make proper indents... Spaces work as well of course, but code is almost undreadable) [edit7]Done[/edit]

Another question:
What resolution are you guys using?
I'm using 1024x768 and the site/readme looks fine for me. Just wondering if weird things happen on other resolutions. And if so, could you make a screenshot and post it here?
Also, what browser? Firefox?

[edit2]
We forgot to explain the repair playlist feature!!!

[edit5]In jojo's readme it's explained a bit under the right-click treeview playlist menu, but I think it deserves an own section...[/edit]

[edit3]
Struck through some lines... I.e. done. Not uploaded yet...
[edit4]
Uploaded

[edit7]
made important parts red...

siebe83 · 20th March 2005, 14:21

Double-post, but I can't edit my previous post any longer. Is messed up enough anyway...

http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html

A lot has changed.

Things to do except for the red parts in the readme:
* Repair playlist feature: could be explained more
* Jump as you type: i.e. when you type letters in listview/treeview
* Make internal links to relevant options/terminology
* Maybe some general layout changes
* Any other suggestions you may have (anything I forgot?)

After that, I think it's finished

I changed my mind concerning the breaking up in parts of the readme for the site. I think it's okay this way as well. Please say if you disagree.

And to repeat the import part of my previous post:
What resolution are you guys using?
I'm using 1024x768 and the site/readme looks fine for me. Just wondering if weird things happen on other resolutions. And if so, could you make a screenshot and post it here?
Also, what browser? Firefox?

billyvnilly · 20th March 2005, 15:15

1024x768 and above in firefox and ie looks fine. for me the terminology pic shifts slightly but thats not important. everything works. just as long as noone is using 800x600 [edit]

hey nunzio [edit2]

forgot some "back to the table of contents" VII - IX,

which btw, the back to table of contents does a much better job of breaking up this page and making it managable. w/o them i would have said this needs to be broken up, but not anymore. i think it is fine the way it is.

Nunzio390 · 20th March 2005, 15:16

Siebe...

Kudos to you! I feel it came out very very good.

Easy to maneuver now with the "Back to Table of Contents" anchors in place. The GIF files you created to replace the PNG files are very sharp and clear, and they load quickly.

Quote:

What resolution are you guys using?
I'm using 1024x768 and the site/readme looks fine for me. Just wondering if weird things happen on other resolutions. And if so, could you make a screenshot and post it here?
Also, what browser? Firefox?

Well although you can really test it for yourself by simply changing your screen rez and switching browsers, I'll say something anyway...

Everything displays nicely at 800x600 rez too (what I and millions of others use). There is nothing broken and no horrid horizontal scrolbar is generated at all. The only problem is an easy one to fix...

<h1>content</h1> used by itself as it is now without applying a style causes a different display in various browsers re: width and height of characters. But I just feel that you overlooked it, since you do it correctly on other pages.

Right now you have this...

<h1>Readme for Dynamic Library v1.0</h1>

Just enclose that either within a <span></span> or within a <div></div> that references your existing "header" style within your external layout.css stylesheet, like so...

<div class="header"><h1>Readme for Dynamic Library v1.0</h1></div>

Then it will display identically cross-browser. Insofar as the rest of the page is concerned, the stylesheet works beautifully and the page is displayed identically in IE, Opera, Netscape and Firefox browsers.

So... I guess you'll be replacing your existing documentation index.shtml page with the content of the dlwalkthrough.html page soon, right?

Good job!

[EDIT]
DOH!!

Billy posted as I was typing my lengthy response

Hmmm...

Quote:

just as long as noone is using 800x600 [edit]

hey nunzio

There are millions of us that do, Billy, and thoughtful web designers who don't want to limit their audience take that into account when building sites.

But it's fine cause it displays well at that very commonly used rez too.

I didn't notice the missing "Back to Table of Contents" for VII - IX, so good pick up Billy!

Nunzio390 · 20th March 2005, 15:36

Dammit. Now that I see all the great things it does in the documentation, I'm "newly" pissed that I can't use DL with Win95. Grrrrr

Jonas! Please! Perform a dev-miracle and make it work for me!

siebe83 · 20th March 2005, 15:48

Heh, thanks for the replies

Yep, I was just a bit too quick with the <h1>

Will fix that in a minute. Not only there, also on the Contact page of the website, iirc... (<h3> and <h4>)
I'll fix it...

And as for the missing Back to Table of Contents, yeah... I just thought it was a bit weird to have that link every five lines there, so I removed a few... But maybe I just have to be consistent...

Screen resolutions... Yes, I know I can test them. Only smaller though, not higher. I was wondering if the text lines would get too long on a high resolution (i.e. bad readability), but according to billy everything is fine for 1024x768 and higher.

Sorry about that, Nunzio... Maybe you should stop reading

billyvnilly · 20th March 2005, 16:06

actually, i go up to 1280x1024, i cant test 1600x1200, eh but those people are just asking for it. (long lines that is)

here is screenshot at 1280x1024

you know the thing that nunzio has on his website, the sliding menu, how hard is that? you could do (back to top) in one of those things.

[edit]back to studying

im learning why fat people who eat alot of salt have high blood pressure!

siebe83 · 20th March 2005, 17:40

Because salt makes you dry, so the body overreacts and sends more blood to keep the system clean. Well, I dunno...

Yeah, those people ask for it, I guess...

As for the menu, Nunzio's menu is great of course. But I think it's too much for a simple readme like this

Also you'd need to make a selection from the original menu: you can't put the whole table of contents there...
Or do you mean just a sliding "Back to Table of Contents" block? Maybe that'd be possible, but not sure how it'd display cross-browser, so you'd still need the BtToC links in the text, I think...

I now just defined <h1> in the .css file. Should be fine, I think.

Quote:

The GIF files you created to replace the PNG files are very sharp and clear, and they load quickly.

Used Paint Shop Pro, as you suggested, works like a charm

Joonas · 20th March 2005, 18:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Nunzio390
Dammit. Now that I see all the great things it does in the documentation, I'm "newly" pissed that I can't use DL with Win95. Grrrrr

Jonas! Please! Perform a dev-miracle and make it work for me!

Can't you upgrade instead?

No but seriously...I don't know why Win95 doesn't work. It should at least load properly even if some features wouldn't work like in Windows 98...

Nunzio390 · 21st March 2005, 03:37

Jonas!! Great news!!
The Dynamic Library v1.0 98/ME version is working now on this old Win95 box!

Okay... it boils down to one of these 3rd-party authored plugins that was causing DL to not load properly upon first-time install...

Winamp Notify plugin [gen_wanotify.dll]
Reference FLAC Decoder v1.1.1 (with ML support) [in_flac.dll]
Alpha II SPC Player v3.2 (x86) [in_snes.dll]

I temp-disabled all 3 and then installed DL. Well, not really an installation per say because with this version it's only the one gen_dl.dll file that's placed directly into the Winamp\Plugins folder and none of these other folder/files are created in the 98/ME version, as I'm certain they would be in the XP/2K version ...

\Winamp\Plugins\dl\uninst_gen_dl.exe
\Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\dl-*.tmp (cache files per root)
\Winamp\Plugins\dl\Language\gen_dl_*.lng (all language files as selected in installer)

Anyway, DL showed up immediately in General Purpose Plugins, and also in General Preferences > Dynamic Library

Now, I never checked which of the above 3 plugins were preventing DL from loading properly when first installed, but one of them was most definitely to blame. After the successful installation of DL, I re-enabled all 3 plugins and they, as well as the DL are working just fine now with no conflicts (so far). So it would appear that whichever one of them was the "culprit" just needed to be disabled in order for the DL to load properly upon first time install and show up in Winamp preferences. Strange, huh?

And right now I do not care which one of them was to blame, because everything is working and I have my DL!!! I finally have it! WHOOT!!!

If you wanna download/install those 3 plugins to further check what the conflict was, be my guest. But I don't give a hoot now. I have my Dynamic Library and that is all that matters to me.

I'm a happy camper!!! And the plugin is indeed awesome. I've been configuring and playing with it for awhile now.

What I really could use is the cache file ... \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\dl-*.tmp (cache files per root)

I say this because every time I run Winamp and open the DL, it has to reload all files in every root folder I've designated each time, and I'm assuming that the missing cache file would be needed to prevent this from happening. Is there any way that you can include it for Win9X/ME systems?

Anyway...
Maybe change the name from "Dynamic Library v1.0 98/ME" to "Dynamic Library v1.0 9X/ME" now since we know it will work in Win95 too.

@ siebe...

You'll probably have to change the Beta Development page to also include Win95 now (and other places where you may have said that it doesn't). Maybe also in addition to linking to the test results thread/post for Win95, you should also link to this post I'm creating right now.

I am a happy camper!!! I have my Dynamic Library and it's working like a charm (except for cache storage)!

Joonas · 21st March 2005, 06:28

Okay...cache probably works, just directory creation that failed...should work now.

siebe83 · 21st March 2005, 08:15

That's great news, Nunzio

Updated Beta page on website accordingly...

[edit]
I also uploaded the readme to its proper location: i.e. it's directly available at the website now.
All red text has gone.
Things still to do here, but I think it's finished enough to publish it...

The site as a whole is pretty finished as well, I think. Of course I'll keep updating and adding stuff. Only the language files page is still empty atm...
I removed the "Website under construction" message from the header.
You may link to it now as 'The Dynamic Library website'

Won't probably do anything to the readme/site today, and maybe even this week. Really should do other things atm...
But if you have comments, keep posting...

Nunzio390 · 21st March 2005, 14:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Joonas
Okay...cache probably works, just directory creation that failed...should work now.

Okay... downloaded the new 9x build. The \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\ folder has now been created.

However, 2 things...

Upon Winamp shutdown this notification box continually comes up now, creating a new instance of itself for every root I've added, if I have "Use cache" checked in Miscellaneous options (which of course I want enabled) for any of those roots...

Very annoying to say the least, since I must click the OK button a number of times (8 in my case since I currently have 8 roots) for each instance of it every time I shut down Winamp. Now is this something that you used for debugging that you mistakingly left in this latest build? I assume so because I see no way to disable it myself.
Although the \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\ folder is created, and even though I have "Use cache" checked in Miscellaneous options, there are never any files within it at all. Eg: no files named as dl-*.tmp (cache files per root). The Cache folder always remains empty.

________________________________________________________

Can you help me out with the 2 above issues, Jonas?
Thanks!

Quote:

Originally posted by siebe83
That's great news, Nunzio

@ siebe...

I posted this here in the readme/website thread instead of within the Dynamic Library v1.1 Beta thread since this does not reference that build and I did not want to detract from the discussion for v1.1 that is ongoing there. So I apologize for hijacking your readme/website thread for this, but I needed to bring this up.

And yes, it is indeed great news that I have the DL now and it works with Win95.

And yes, the site is looking good now. Keep up the great work!

Joonas · 21st March 2005, 14:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Nunzio390
Okay... downloaded the new 9x build. The \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\ folder has now been created.

However, 2 things...
Upon Winamp shutdown this notification box continually comes up now, creating a new instance of itself for every root I've added, if I have "Use cache" checked in Miscellaneous options (which of course I want enabled) for any of those roots...

Very annoying to say the least, since I must click the OK button a number of times (8 in my case since I currently have 8 roots) for each instance of it every time I shut down Winamp. Now is this something that you used for debugging that you mistakingly left in this latest build? I assume so because I see no way to disable it myself.

Although the \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\ folder is created, and even though I have "Use cache" checked in Miscellaneous options, there are never any files within it at all. Eg: no files named as dl-*.tmp (cache files per root). The Cache folder always remains empty.

________________________________________________________

Can you help me out with the 2 above issues, Jonas?
Thanks!

Quote:

Originally posted by siebe83
That's great news, Nunzio

@ siebe...

I posted this here in the readme/website thread instead of within the Dynamic Library v1.1 Beta thread since this does not reference that build and I did not want to detract from the discussion for v1.1 that is ongoing there. So I apologize for hijacking your readme/website thread for this, but I needed to bring this up.

And yes, it is indeed great news that I have the DL now and it works with Win95.
And yes, the site is looking good now. Keep up the great work!

Ooops...me and my bloody MessageBoxes

I will look at this at the very earliest convenience...at work now...so I'll be home in like 4 hours...and hopefully the computer will be free to use shortly after that...will for once give 9x version top priority

Nunzio390 · 21st March 2005, 15:06

Thanks, Jonas!

19th March 2005, 11:49	#45
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Yeah, you are missing things Nah seriously, there's a lot that still has to be done I think. I've temporarily uploaded what I have now here: http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html Changelog: * Fixed reference #Display in listview (it said #Diplay in listview) * Added stuff to 'Installation' * Added target="_blank" to all external links (so links are opened in new window) * Removed a lot of 'useles'   characters * Fixed typos (won't mention them all here; not a lot, btw) * Changed order of 'Terminology' * Added a bit at Prefs > Winamp integration * Added hotkey Alt+M * Made some new screenshots * A lot of html and layout changes. * More content. Small things and bigger things, forgot writing them down here... Also rephrased things. I like full sentences better * Messed around with caps. Since Jonas wrote almost everything in lowercase, I think it's good to be consistent. treeview, listview, root, playlist, file, folder, cache; all is in lowercase now (I hope). Only when mentioning Search mode and Browse mode, caps are used (I think). I tend to be a nit-picker with such things, forgive me I won't post the .zip here yet, will do in a few hours. I want to change some stuff first. See the red comments for what stuff I mean And I still have to look at some of your points in your previous posts (and in your version). If you have more comments after seeing this version (and my remarks in red in it), let me know. Billy, I hope you don't mind I remade some screenshots. Your ones displayed very weird (later I realized that was probably because you forgot to adjust the width and height values in the img tags, but well...). Also, mine are smaller now... Nunzio, if you read this: what's your view on using .png files in webpages? Those files are really small with simple pics and the quality is perfect, but maybe it's not supported by all browsers, dunno? Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 13:05	#47
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Ok, thanks. Will do that [edit] Mmh, with .gif the quality is bad, and with jpg you can't set transparency Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 14:11	#49
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Thanks for the offer Nunzio I will try to figure it out myself first (I got to learn it one day ) and if we really don't succed I'll send it to you in a .zip. I'll let you know Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 14:53	#51
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	I'll look at that thread you linked to later, btw... (if no-one else replies) http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html Changelog: * As above * Added known issues * Tables containing pics redone * Made more new screenshots. I just didn't like the big white surfaces in the old pics and I wanted to add transparency. Was easier to just make new ones. At the moment .png files, will try to convert them to .gif later * Some general changes Still to do today: * Go through all red remarks * Go through jojo's readme one more time to see if I forgot things * Something with the shortcut table (not sure yet what) * Fix stuff I broke myself * gif's Maybe today, maybe later: * More, ehm how did you call it billy? Internal links to make terminolgy section useful, etc. * Test stuff to see how it behaves (i.e in DL) Especially the options we don't quite understand ourselves are important to explain: readers probably won't understand either Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 17:57	#52
billyvnilly Forum King, M.D. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Detroit burbs Posts: 3,378	yes its ok if you change my walkthrough by all means ( you got a lot done ! while i was asleep) yeah i shoulda thought of using png...good thinking file size is drastically reduced. what i mean is, i can go through and find/replace all mention of treeview, etc. and have it hyperlink to its terminology target. but i may become overkill. [ok, just looked at your WIP, i love what youve done. also thankyou for cleaning up code, frontpage is all i know right now (and its quick) Last edited by billyvnilly; 19th March 2005 at 18:24.

19th March 2005, 09:26	#44
jojo 544 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nowhere near the apeland Posts: 623	That makes sense (like you always do ). I think for the 1.0 almost everything is there to be finished tho, but then again i might be missing somethings

19th March 2005, 13:40	#48
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	I know that transparency can not be used with .jpg and that's why I recommended .gif for transparency. What are you using? I use Paint Shop Pro to save to .gif and the quality always comes out great. If you look at my attached screenshots in any of my posts here, or look at any of the images I reference that are stored at my site, all my .gif files (transparent or otherwise) are of very good quality. I would create the screenshots for you but unfortunately I can't since I can not install DL. [EDIT] Okay, let's do this... ZIP up all the .png files you have created and intend to use and email to me at webmaster@nunzioweb.com as a file attachment. I'll convert them all for you to .gif with no quality loss, and upload a newly created ZIP file containing the GIF conversions to your server so that you can FTP in and grab the converted files there. The converted file sizes will be slightly larger but still acceptable for effective web presentation.

19th March 2005, 14:50	#50
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	Okay. No probs

19th March 2005, 18:34	#53
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	* png's converted to gif's now @billyvnilly, Nunzio advised to use gif instead Mmmh... Billy, do you think you can change things using Notepad from now on? I'd rather not see Frontpage messing things up again... I prefer letting you mess with the code and break things to Frontpage messing with the code and break things It isn't that hard, html... It's just text. All you really need to know is: <p>Here is a paragraph</p> <br> (line break) As of now, all text is in paragraphs (except for headers). <br>'s are only used inside paragraphs. To refer to one of the terminology (or other) targets, use: <a href="#Root">this is the link</a>, which will redirect to <a name="Root">Roots</a> The rest is all irrelevant to you, I think... If you want other things (eg. bold text, etc), just type it in brackets behind it and I'll notice and do it... Actually, you also could post the new content here and I'll put it in. Maybe that's easier? Doesn't matter to me... That way both you and jojo could provide content and I'll put it in. Just for the 1.0 version; we'll see what we do for the 1.1 version. See what you want... If you want the .zip file, will you work on it right now? Otherwise I'd rather wait another hour so I can do some other things to it myself first. Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 18:54	#54
billyvnilly Forum King, M.D. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Detroit burbs Posts: 3,378	yes, i see what you mean, i was going to post updated stuff i just did, but i did it in frontpage. and yes it did jack some of it up! VDIIb - perhaps a .gif to explain what the difference is VB -add "You can add roots from the <a href="#rclicktreefolder">treeview</a> or <a href="#Miscellaneous">Miscellaneous Tab</a> in references. When we say root we are not referring to subfolders." i suppose in the html, if you did find/replace for " treeview" with "<a href="#rclicktreefolder">treeview</a>" that would work correct? you wouldnt be replacing the already existing "treeview" in the link brackets because of the space. ok, well i gotta go study...im not spending $24,000/yr to play on the internet.

19th March 2005, 20:09	#56
jojo 544 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nowhere near the apeland Posts: 623	If you don't want this in i'll stop nagging about it , but here's another reminder: -column order can be changed -counter thingy -Double and triple funktion for Hotkeys see my post on prev. page) What else can i say, it looks great already. Jonas is going to like this i think Let's finish this baby

19th March 2005, 20:25	#57
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	@ siebe... Since it appears that you'll be editing the HTML itself I thought I'd make a small recommendation, to make it more user-friendly. Since the "menu" or "index" appears at the top of the DL walkthrough page, and since clicking on each entry brings you to the pertinent section, you may also consider including "back to top" or "back to menu" or "back to index" links at the bottom of each section as well. For instance, my streaming audio article includes "Back to Top" links. But there is also my chat tutorial, for my hardly-used and cobweb-infested chatroom as well. Now the chat tutorial has an indexing structure very similar to your DL walkthrough page. And as you can see, I've included "Back to the top" links that take you right back to the chat tutorial "index". You may want to consider doing the same thing. That way, the site visitor can go to a section that interests him/her and then pop right back to the "index" again to look for another specific section that interests him/her, instead of having to scroll up and down the page to locate a particular section of interest. Just a consideration.

19th March 2005, 20:45	#58
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Jojo, what do you think of the hotkeys like this? Too bad that the Alt+G hotkey doesn't seem to work. Might be another thing to add to the know issues Does it work for you? For me it's just always Ctrl+G that does the job: in Search mode it just depends on wether treeview or listview is focused... I'll look at the other things later (really, I will ). Nunzio, great idea! Indeed it would be useful to allow readers to jump to the start of the page. Will have to think of how to implement it exactly, but I certainly will... I like the way you did it in your streaming audio article, but that might look a bit weird in the readme since a lot of parts are indented on the left (i.e. centering could look odd), so I think I'll go with the way you did it in your chat tutorial. Or maybe I'll think of another way Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 21:27	#60
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	So you are saying Alt+G IS working for you? It doesn't work for me at all. In Search mode treeview, Alt+G doesn't do anything for me... Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 21:40	#61
jojo 544 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nowhere near the apeland Posts: 623	OK, i edited my post, i think it's the same for me than it is for you. sigh (still) under construction

19th March 2005, 21:44	#62
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Ok, another known issue then [edit] Do you think it's worth mentioning? It's only a wrong indicator after all; the shortcuts are working fine... (i.e. Ctrl+G everywhere, instead of the separate Alt+G as displayed in the right-click menu) [edit2] Well, I mentioned it under Hotkeys, will also mention it under 'right-click treeview in search mode' menu. Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

19th March 2005, 21:52	#63
jojo 544 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nowhere near the apeland Posts: 623	Maybe mention just as known issue? (wrong indicator could be confusing) sigh (still) under construction

19th March 2005, 23:05	#65
jojo 544 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nowhere near the apeland Posts: 623	...files and playlists that originate from a playlist root in Search mode... I think i got it, the problem of not showing only happens for playlists that are NOT root playlists. ...Search as you type... Isn't that what DL does? ...Stop searching in subfolders when found a match... Lets ask Jonas for HELP ! * Bedtime * zzzzzzzzz

20th March 2005, 14:21	#67
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Double-post, but I can't edit my previous post any longer. Is messed up enough anyway... http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/docinpro...lkthrough.html A lot has changed. Things to do except for the red parts in the readme: * Repair playlist feature: could be explained more * Jump as you type: i.e. when you type letters in listview/treeview * Make internal links to relevant options/terminology * Maybe some general layout changes * Any other suggestions you may have (anything I forgot?) After that, I think it's finished I changed my mind concerning the breaking up in parts of the readme for the site. I think it's okay this way as well. Please say if you disagree. And to repeat the import part of my previous post: What resolution are you guys using? I'm using 1024x768 and the site/readme looks fine for me. Just wondering if weird things happen on other resolutions. And if so, could you make a screenshot and post it here? Also, what browser? Firefox? Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

20th March 2005, 15:15	#68
billyvnilly Forum King, M.D. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Detroit burbs Posts: 3,378	1024x768 and above in firefox and ie looks fine. for me the terminology pic shifts slightly but thats not important. everything works. just as long as noone is using 800x600 [edit] hey nunzio [edit2] forgot some "back to the table of contents" VII - IX, which btw, the back to table of contents does a much better job of breaking up this page and making it managable. w/o them i would have said this needs to be broken up, but not anymore. i think it is fine the way it is.

20th March 2005, 15:36	#70
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	Dammit. Now that I see all the great things it does in the documentation, I'm "newly" pissed that I can't use DL with Win95. Grrrrr Jonas! Please! Perform a dev-miracle and make it work for me!

20th March 2005, 15:48	#71
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	Heh, thanks for the replies Yep, I was just a bit too quick with the <h1> Will fix that in a minute. Not only there, also on the Contact page of the website, iirc... (<h3> and <h4>) I'll fix it... And as for the missing Back to Table of Contents, yeah... I just thought it was a bit weird to have that link every five lines there, so I removed a few... But maybe I just have to be consistent... Screen resolutions... Yes, I know I can test them. Only smaller though, not higher. I was wondering if the text lines would get too long on a high resolution (i.e. bad readability), but according to billy everything is fine for 1024x768 and higher. Sorry about that, Nunzio... Maybe you should stop reading Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

21st March 2005, 03:37	#75
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	Jonas!! Great news!! The Dynamic Library v1.0 98/ME version is working now on this old Win95 box! Okay... it boils down to one of these 3rd-party authored plugins that was causing DL to not load properly upon first-time install... Winamp Notify plugin [gen_wanotify.dll] Reference FLAC Decoder v1.1.1 (with ML support) [in_flac.dll] Alpha II SPC Player v3.2 (x86) [in_snes.dll] I temp-disabled all 3 and then installed DL. Well, not really an installation per say because with this version it's only the one gen_dl.dll file that's placed directly into the Winamp\Plugins folder and none of these other folder/files are created in the 98/ME version, as I'm certain they would be in the XP/2K version ... \Winamp\Plugins\dl\uninst_gen_dl.exe \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\dl-.tmp (cache files per root) \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Language\gen_dl_.lng (all language files as selected in installer) Anyway, DL showed up immediately in General Purpose Plugins, and also in General Preferences > Dynamic Library Now, I never checked which of the above 3 plugins were preventing DL from loading properly when first installed, but one of them was most definitely to blame. After the successful installation of DL, I re-enabled all 3 plugins and they, as well as the DL are working just fine now with no conflicts (so far). So it would appear that whichever one of them was the "culprit" just needed to be disabled in order for the DL to load properly upon first time install and show up in Winamp preferences. Strange, huh? And right now I do not care which one of them was to blame, because everything is working and I have my DL!!! I finally have it! WHOOT!!! If you wanna download/install those 3 plugins to further check what the conflict was, be my guest. But I don't give a hoot now. I have my Dynamic Library and that is all that matters to me. I'm a happy camper!!! And the plugin is indeed awesome. I've been configuring and playing with it for awhile now. What I really could use is the cache file ... \Winamp\Plugins\dl\Cache\dl-.tmp (cache files per root) I say this because every time I run Winamp and open the DL, it has to reload all files in every root folder I've designated each time, and I'm assuming that the missing cache file would be needed to prevent this from happening. Is there any way that you can include it for Win9X/ME systems? Anyway... Maybe change the name from "Dynamic Library v1.0 98/ME" to "Dynamic Library v1.0 9X/ME" now since we know it will work in Win95 too. @ siebe...* You'll probably have to change the Beta Development page to also include Win95 now (and other places where you may have said that it doesn't). Maybe also in addition to linking to the test results thread/post for Win95, you should also link to this post I'm creating right now. I am a happy camper!!! I have my Dynamic Library and it's working like a charm (except for cache storage)!

21st March 2005, 06:28	#76
Joonas Forum King Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,263	Okay...cache probably works, just directory creation that failed...should work now. Drag 'n Drop support for the Playlist Editor - Now with Unicode support! Dynamic Library v2.0

21st March 2005, 08:15	#77
siebe83 Forum King Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,222	That's great news, Nunzio Updated Beta page on website accordingly... [edit] I also uploaded the readme to its proper location: i.e. it's directly available at the website now. All red text has gone. Things still to do here, but I think it's finished enough to publish it... The site as a whole is pretty finished as well, I think. Of course I'll keep updating and adding stuff. Only the language files page is still empty atm... I removed the "Website under construction" message from the header. You may link to it now as 'The Dynamic Library website' Won't probably do anything to the readme/site today, and maybe even this week. Really should do other things atm... But if you have comments, keep posting... Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here. Last edited by siebe83; 21st March 2005 at 09:37.

21st March 2005, 15:06	#80
Nunzio390 Nugatory Aluminator Look it up Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands) Posts: 8,590	Thanks, Jonas!

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