Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[DJ Egg]

Note: I've updated the Notes & Known Issues section of the main post :-)

Yes, RG Scanner works for mp3 & ogg

[edit]

not! (see below)

[Koopa]

Thanks. Just amazing, now I can use Winamp and haven't to use the commandline based vorbisgain.exe.

[Benski]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Will this work with vorbis files too?

Not yet It will before final release, tho

[DJ Egg]

Ahh crap. Looks like I'm getting too far ahead of myself :-o

Dang. It actually crashes with ogg's, heh.

/me updates the main post

[Edit]

gotta love internal updates ;-)

[Koopa]

Not yet It will before final release, tho

No problem. (I wondered, because the file size of the 2 new .dll files is a little bit to small to contain vorbisgain.exe.

Or are their other abilities to scan ogg vorbis files, which I'm not aware about?)

Keep on your good work. This will be the best Winamp release.

[amano]

In the Replay Gain settings: What does this do '[ ] Disable if preferred source is not available'?

Hmm. Is there a way to set a special target gain level (like 89db for mp3gain)? I'm not really used to dealing with replaygain, so excuse my probably dumb question (and blame MP3gain).

[Benski]

In the Replay Gain settings: What does this do '[ ] Disable if preferred source is not available'?

If you have your source set to 'Album' but only 'Track' information is present, it will use 'Track' gain unless you tick this option. The option might go away, I admit it's a bit dumb

Hmm. Is there a way to set a special target gain level (like 89db for mp3gain)? I'm not really used to dealing with replaygain, so excuse my probably dumb question (and blame MP3gain).

Use the pre-amp in the EQ if you don't like 89dB (or turn the volume up to avoid clipping

[amano]

No problem. Just wanted to know the target value.

If I am not mistaken the activation of replayGAIN will not affect my MP3 files at all, since they are already MP3gained to 89db. Just my (very few) wma and ogg files (from the moment on that they are supported)?

And where are the replay gain values stored? is there a database or do use tags?

[Benski]

Originally posted by amano
And where are the replay gain values stored? is there a database or do use tags?

They are written to tags

[Psychonaut]

sry if it has posted already but i have there a question to the new 24 bit mode. the option is called "Allow 24 bit". what i have read here is that when you enable it, winamp ALWAYS plays files in 24 bit and extrapolate when files are in 16 bit. is that true or does winamp ONLY play the files in 24 bit when they are encoded in 24 bit? because i have a 'creative x-fi xtrememusic' soundcard and there is a option called "24 Bit Crystalizer" which should increase the sound... ;-)
so i don't like something that extrapolate or interpolate 24 bit sound

[Benski]

Originally posted by Psychonaut
sry if it has posted already but i have there a question to the new 24 bit mode. the option is called "Allow 24 bit". what i have read here is that when you enable it, winamp ALWAYS plays files in 24 bit and extrapolate when files are in 16 bit. is that true or does winamp ONLY play the files in 24 bit when they are encoded in 24 bit? because i have a 'creative x-fi xtrememusic' soundcard and there is a option called "24 Bit Crystalizer" which should increase the sound... ;-)
so i don't like something that extrapolate or interpolate 24 bit sound

No. The new 24 bit mode just downconverts 32 bit floating-point (mathematical results from MP3, AAC, Vorbis, etc) to 24 bits instead of 16 bits. It never "upconverts" 16 to 24 bits

[amano]

OK. I thought about the whole thing again. So is it advisable to ReplayGain your already MP3gained Mp3s? To make sure that Winamp doesn't apply the general -6db gain to them. They are exempted from this global gain reduction only with a ReplayGain value in the tag, thus trying to make them equally loud with waves, wmas and others. Am I right?

Or does Winamp already detect mp3gained files somehow and exempts them from the global -6db gain reduction?

[Benski]

Originally posted by amano
OK. I thought about the whole thing again. So is it advisable to ReplayGain your already MP3gained Mp3s? To make sure that Winamp doesn't apply the general -6db gain to them. They are exempted from this global gain reduction only with a ReplayGain value in the tag, thus trying to make them equally loud with waves, wmas and others. Am I right?

Or does Winamp already detect mp3gained files somehow and exempts them from the global -6db gain reduction?

Nope, it's going to apply the -6dB (mp3gain just adjusts the scalefactors, if I'm correct?). Since we're using the same loudness calculation algorithm as mp3gain, it should come out to 0dB adjustment (although doesn't mp3gain only has a resolution of 1.5dB - thought I read that somewhere).

[amano]

Yeah. There will actually be an adjustment between 0 to 1.5db for those mp3gained files.

If I understand you correctly it is better to apply replaygain also for them. Because mp3gained files are already quiet and I do not want the -6db for them. I want that only for those files that are not as quiet yet (ie wma files which don't support any gain support yet). That would provide a pretty equal sound level for all sound formats (with or without gain support).

And thanks for your elaboration. I will stop to annoy you now

[will]

Looks like I missed the build for my new pmp_usb.

Anyway, here you go usb fans: http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156287106/pmp_usb.dll

(note, there's an even newer version in the latest 5.25 public beta)

The new thing is, when it detects a drive, it will ask you if you want winamp to manage it or not. If you select not, then it will never ask you again about that particular drive.

This should fix pmp-related issues with winamp hanging on startup for people with funky encrypted partitions *cough*'seer*cough* (they can just select no when asked about it).

[djsolidsnake86]

i have a little question about 24 bit.. in the plug in_mod.dll i must set the 24bit output format? and enable 48000? and for max voices what i must set?
i have an xfi xtreme music
thank you!

[Logy]

you can change in with notepad, just open what whatsnew.txt!
adios!

[jmbattle]

Hello, just upgraded to the latest beta and noticed that opening podcasts through the ML crash WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x

EDIT: reverting back to in_mp3.dll from b834 fixes the issue - it appears to be related to all mp3 http:// streaming.

[DJ Egg]

@jmbattle
Hmm, can't reproduce the problem here.
Is this with one/all of the listed podcasts, or one that you're entering manually?

[edit]

Strange. Yeah, I can see in your log that it's crashing in in_mp3.
Not sure why though, but I'm sure Benski will look into it tomorrow.

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@djsolidsnake86

The Output Format, Stereo, Surround options will be moved out of in_mod for the next build/final, and will be configurable via the global settings in Prefs > Playback instead. But yeah, in the current public betas, modules only use the settings from in_mod config.

[engine]

New: Unicode filename and title support
Very nice!
Wish for the final version...

[djsolidsnake86]

Originally posted by DJ Egg

@djsolidsnake86

The Output Format, Stereo, Surround options will be moved out of in_mod for the next build/final, and will be configurable via the global settings in Prefs > Playback instead. But yeah, in the current public betas, modules only use the settings from in_mod config.

ok so now how i can configure the options of this plug ins?

[Thunder Pussy]

Oh my... replaygain support. Very very nice.

People have been asking for replaygain for years.

Thanks.

[MasterViVi]

Is it possible to:
- Make files sound the same volume;
- Not overly lower the volume?

I'm new to this replaygain stuff.

[Serpher]

When i'm usig the ML Winamp freezes. When track starting, seeking is freezes too but less. "Calculate RG" freezes and crashing Winamp.

[rxbbx]

thnx for the update..

[DJ Egg]

@Serpher
Please read all the notes at the end of the first post in the thread.
We can't reproduce the ML freezing problem. We'll need more info.
What file formats are crashing with the RG Analyzer?
As the notes say, only mp3 is supported in the current beta, with ogg and aac/m4a to follow soon. Scanning ogg's will crash the beta, as will scanning some 3rd-party formats like flac (as previously mentioned, we're waiting for the flac plugin license to be changed to lgpl before we can add things like rg calculation support).

@djsolidsnake86
Re: in_mod
Yes, with an X-Fi card you can safely enable 24-bit and 48000 KHz.
The 'max voices' is pretty irrelevant. Set it to whatever you want. I can't even remember what the default setting is, but I've currently got mine set to 256 (it's rare that any modules will ever have that many voices anyway).

Originally posted by MasterViVi
Is it possible to:
- Make files sound the same volume

I think that is the whole point of ReplayGain. Naturally, it'll be more useful when more formats are supported (only mp3 is supported in the current beta, though ogg & aac are now working in the internal build, with m4a to follow shortly - not sure about the likes of wma & wav, forget about mod & midi).
Note that the preamp slider value in Prefs > Playback is 1) only enabled when RG is enabled, 2) only affects files without RG info, and 3) always resets to -6dB after closing & reopening Winamp (bug is fixed in latest internal build). Setting the preamp to 0 dB will not lower the volume on any files without RG info (or any formats that don't support it).

@engine
Umm, pardon my ignorance, but what is it? Heh.

[flocksoft]

just a reminder...

MP3Gain adds the RG informations in ape tags, foobar2000 in id3 v2.4 tags and winamp in id3 v2.3 tags

Musepack has already the RG support (album & track mode), but the new ATF labels doesn't support it

[DJ Egg]

Winamp actually uses id3 v2.4 now.
(hmm, maybe it currently just reads id3 v2.4, but writes as v2.3)...?

Musepack will need to update their plugin.

[Koopa]

Found another minor glitch, when you delete in_dshow and in_nsv, then there is no more video window. (already known I guess )

Result: .wmv videos just play with sound.

(Problem is, that users maybe uncheck DirectShow and NSV support in installer)

[DJ Egg]

Strange. I can't reproduce that problem here.
The video window (which is actually always there because it's part of winamp.exe) is visible/accessible for me when any of in_dshow, in_nsv or in_wm are present. This is also assuming that you've not removed WMV from in_wm config... which I suppose you can't have done because then wmv wouldn't play at all.

[Koopa]

Yeah in the modern skin there ist still a video window, but in the right click menu the entry Video is missing.

I tried it just with .wmv support then I hear just sound, I can reproduce it on 2 maschines with clean install. Can anyone else confirm this?

is visible/accessible for me when any of in_dshow, in_nsv or in_wm are present.

Right click menu etc is just aviable when in_dsshow or in_nsv are present.

It's not there for me when just in_wm with .wmv support is installed. .wmv playback with classic skins just brings sound. If one of the other plug-ins is present (in_dsshow or in_nsv) wmv playback works fine and video menu is present via right click menu.

[flocksoft]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Winamp actually uses id3 v2.4 now.
(hmm, maybe it currently just reads id3 v2.4, but writes as v2.3)...?

maybe it's so, indeed using Mp3tag to discover the tag format written by Winamp, I read id3 v2.3

anyway I use Unicode [UTF-16] format in mp3 input plugin to write tags

winamp 5.25 843

[Koopa]

maybe it's so, indeed using Mp3tag to discover the tag format written by Winamp, I read id3 v2.3

I guess Egg means that preliminary support for ID3v2.4 is there or He plays with a newer build as we.

[DJ Egg]

@Koopatrooper
Right you are! My bad. I forgot I also had in_qt installed.
After disabling all of in_dshow, in_nsv & in_qt, then there's no video window or menu if in_wm is present (with asf & wmv properly associated). Thanks.

You're also right about the 'preliminary id3 2.4 support' theory, but wrong about any further developments in a newer build. It's still the same in that department.

From what I can gather, foobar writes to id3v2.4 and Winamp sees it, and Winamp writes to id3v2.3 and foobar sees it - so I can't see any problems there. However, as already mentioned, Winamp/in_mp3 doesn't see/support ape tags.

[Benski]

Originally posted by jmbattle
Hello, just upgraded to the latest beta and noticed that opening podcasts through the ML crash WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x

EDIT: reverting back to in_mp3.dll from b834 fixes the issue - it appears to be related to all mp3 http:// streaming.

Did you by any chance delete aacPlusDecoder.w5s from the Winamp\System folder?

[Squashed]

I'm still holding thumbs that this MP3 Stream Info Box bug gets fixed after all this years.
Maybe in 5.25?

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=243169
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=250822
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=244755
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=86420
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=181961

[jdwis]

Hi

Clean installed this 5.25 beta version on XP-SP2, everything seems to be working fine except MID files.

Volume does not work in log with MID files but for rest MP3 and WAV it works smooth, what I mean is while playing MID files, the volume goes high if moving Volume Bar from 0% to 1%, but then moving the volume bar from 2% to 100% the change does not seem noticable.

I generally work on MID files & this bug was there in 5.24 also but does not seem to be noticed by anybody.

Could you please check on this please.

rest seems good...
thanks m8..

[amano]

Hmn. In the configuration dialog of in_mid try to switch to the 'Direct Music/Microsoft Synthesiser (with output)' mode. This one seems to be the most robust Midi mode, with the diskwriter working, the vis working etc and thus should be used anyway. At least for me the volume works fine in this mode.

Would be great if this mode could be made the default.

[ujay]

Originally posted by Squashed
I'm still holding thumbs that this MP3 Stream Info Box bug gets fixed after all this years.
Maybe in 5.25?

Use the Station Info window.

UJ

[MasterViVi]

Bug:
- create playlist of several songs
- start to play "song X"
- delete "song X" from playlist
- hit pause
- see title of "song X" in main window change to something else, but still play the song.