Enqueue: Can you do what you could in WA3?

[therogue]

In winamp3, when you used the enqueue function, it added the track to a miniture playlist of what to play next

In winamp5, when you use enqueue, it just adds the track to the bottom of the current playlist, totally useless

Is it possible to get the winamp3 behaviour? otherwise time for a downgrade, it's my most used feature!

Winamp 5.0 is based on the Winamp 2.9X line. Winamp3 was a separate product and is no longer being supported. Winamp 5.0 currently does not have the enqueue feature from Winamp3 1.0.

You might want to try this plug-in though:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....id=155680#jtfe

[therogue]

mehh, little features like that really should be in box standard winamp, especially as it was in wa3, i know wa5 isn't based on 3 but it doesn't really make a difference!

*downloads plugin anyway as i'm sick of WA3's shufle*

[Sybs]

Oh for the love of Jeff!

That's the only reason I was using 3!
They'd better put that feature in the damn thing soon.

[Nunzio390]

As Sawg said above, just get the plugin...
Jump to File Extra v0.92a
Allows to enqueue next song to play from Jump (J, F3) dialog even in shuffle mode. Latest version adds Winamp3-style "enqueue selected" to playlist context menu.

[Sybs]

Yeh i got it, but all it does is enqueue one song without marking it in the list like version 3 does. That was the handiest feature of the whole program.

[therogue]

ditto

the enqueue of WA3 indeted the playlist and put a number next to each enqueud file

[DJ Egg]

But the display inside Winamp's playlist window isn't modifiable,
ie. you currently can't add any extra text to it, such as <1> <2> <3>

Sure, you can apply a different title format, font, color, or size,
but it's just the same Winamp playlist window from Winamp 2.x (contents-wise), regardless of whether you use a modern or classic skin to frame it.

The Playlist window in Winamp3 (wasabi.player) was a wasabi component (pledit.wac). Winamp does not (currently) support WAC.

Winamp 5.0 is the direct upgrade from Winamp 2.91 (or the unofficial/leaked 2.95).

Winamp is Winamp is v0.x, v1.x, v2.x, v5.x

Winamp3 = wasabi.player (see Wasabi forum for links/news/updates)


DrO's JTFE plugin is the nearest you're gonna get for now.
Hopefully, it will even be included in the Winamp 5.02 default setup.
Key word = hopefully, but still waiting for confirmation.

You can see the numbered Enqueued List in the JTFE window (hotkey = J or F3)
and also by right clicking in JTFE window -> enqueue options -> view enqueue list

Or just left click on the frame area inbetween the search results section and buttons at the bottom, and this will open the JTFE Prefs Page at the Enqueued List tab.

Hey, c'mon . . . give credit where credit is due....
This plugin rocks!

[Qaxar]

Yeah, Egg. DrO's JTFE plugin really works great! Maybe it just isn't understood well enough by lots of folks. I just multiple select a few, or many tracks, and press "Q" and it gives me almost the same functionality as I had in WA3. Since I know what I selected, it really doesan't matter too much that the tracks are not marked in the Playlist. I can wait for that functionality, until it's available.

[Sybs]

Yeh, yeh, it does the best it can do.
But I think i speak for all the whiners when I say:
Why?? Why??
They make a 3rd version that's only worth getting because of the enqueue and possibly the media library features, and then they release a new winamp 2 with fecking video playing functions? Since when was winamp meant to play videos anyway? I'll use BSPlayer for that, thank you.
This new version is just winamp 2 with a cool looking skin and microsoft style crap like wanting to look up the net for details of songs.
I'm going back to 3 for the enqueue function, and i hope they'll put it in the new version cos i like the 2/5 style of editing the ID3 tags, rather than the crappy slow 3 way.

[Nunzio390]

i like the 2/5 style of editing the ID3 tags, rather than the crappy slow 3 way.

Sybs...

Your choice entirely to keep Winamp3, but if you're gonna keep the now unsupported product installed, do as I did... download/install Sawg's Single Pane ID3 Editor v2. There are no "tabs" to select any longer. Makes it more Winamp-style instead of Winamp3.

See this screenshot of Sawg's Single Pane ID3 Editor v2 in use on my puter.

[corman420]

The only reason i used winamp3 was for the sort function(not having to go throuhg the misc menu), enqueue & the built in corssfading. If you ask me, they should have based winamp5 on winamp3 - just get out the bugs!

[Sybs]

5 certainly is as slow as 3. I first thought it was based on it.

And thanks Nunzio. That addon makes it slightly easier.

[DrO]

Why?? Why??

because... that's the way it is at the moment and will stay like it seems. to add native enqueue support would involve a lot of internal code re-writing from what i understand for the code which was never designed for such a feature way back.

Winamp3 was designed with enqueue in the core from the start so trying to 'back add' would never be ideal.

i'd be happier with being able to view the enqueued position in the playlist window but it's not possible (that's just how the playlist was written) and i doubt it will be altered to support this (that's the impression i get).

if you're happier using Winamp3 then that's the best thing for you (i'm all for the player myself and wish it had been given a far better chance - maybe as Wasabi Player )

all i've done is try to work around the lack of enqueue as best as i can. if that's not as you want then i'm sorry about that but i've done the best i can so far and considering it is good for what is possible.

the choice is yours either way,
just my view on the matter

-daz

[Qaxar]

DrO,
You did a terrific job. And with the little usage tips that Egg supplied earlier in this thread about using your enqueue plugin I think this might even be an improvement over the WA3 enqueue.

[DrO]

@Qaxar: it is more flexible than what came with winamp3 which only does a straight enqueue and none of the move after current and timed queuing which is coming.

also winamp3 can't do multiple enqueues of the same file which is useful i think (i've heard dj mixes where you drop a song back in a while after it was first played to take you back a bit before the music goes on to a new level )

as for Egg, he's on the payroll

-daz

[Qaxar]

@DrO; Right! I shouldn't have said probably better - it IS better. Wonder if all the complaining is because people don't really know how to use it?

Don't know what we'd do without Egg!

[DrO]

Wonder if all the complaining is because people don't really know how to use it?

i think it is (most of the queries have been about things which are already in it).

with christmas coming i should have more time to work on getting documentation sorted out for the plugin which will help noobs coming to it (though most things should make sense as long as people properly read things through )

Don't know what we'd do without Egg!

fully agree with you there as well as with Nunzio390 - both have been a great help over the last few weeks and have helped with a few things behind the scenes for which thanks is due

-daz

[therogue]

Just want to say thanks DrO for your posting on this thread, and for clearing up the issue, and also for your work

I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet (re: going back to wa3)

Thanks about the JTFE window information, I suppose that will do!

[Rickkins]

Wow...what a complete waste of time.
I will, perhaps, come back to wa5 if, and when they fix the enqueue feature.
I'd of thought they would have more brains than that. Especially since they now want money for something that was better before they fixed it.
I just can't believe people can be so freakin' stupid.

Idiots.

[DrO]

@Rickkins: you only pay for advanced features (ripping at full speed,etc) that need to be licensed.

otherwise Winamp 5.x is free. also Winamp3 was totally different from Winamp 2.x/5.x as is explained earlier and in countless other threads.

-daz

[Qaxar]

Rickkins: What a lovely, thoughtful post! You've been using the best media player ever for some time now, free of charge. You obviously haven't bothered to learn how to use the WA5 enqueing features - with what can be done using the Media Library functionality plus DrO's plugin, I'd be curious to know what it is that you think is missing.

You're also way off base on the "money" question, since you only have to buy the fast ripping and burning provided in WA5 Pro. Otherwise, WA is a free as ever.

And now you've decided that the folks that provide this excellent -FREE- product are "stupid fucking idiots" and you MIGHT someday come back to WA5. I really don't think you'll be missed!

[Rickkins]

Oh wah...you don't think they'll miss me...big whoop.
I'm sorry, but the decision to lose possibly the best feature from "3" in the "new and improved" "5" just reminds me of "new coke".

I stand by my sentiment...but I toned it down just a wee tad, to lose the profanity, which was outta place.

[Sybs]

Right on!

[DJ Egg]

Rikkins

Winamp3 v1.0 was obsolete the day after it was released.
Winamp3 is now wasabi.player
It is an entirely different/separate product to Winamp.

Winamp 5.x is the direct upgrade from Winamp 2.9x
There were more Winamp 2.x users who moaned about Winamp3 than there are Winamp3 users who moan about Winamp 5.0x, more than you could possibly know.
Those Winamp3 features have NEVER been in Winamp, but they are still in Wasabi.Player

Some educational reading material for you:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=129224
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....77#post1178277
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....80#post1134980
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=158335
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=157068
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....52#post1182552
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=155731
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=159500


ktnxbye

[Sybs]

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes...
All right! Enough!

We've had this explained enough times. Winamp 2 is Winamp.
Winamp 3 isn't. I don't know why Winamp 3 isn't Winamp, it just isn't.
Winamp 3 is Wasabi Player, whatever the hell that is.
I've tried looking for Wasabi Player, and all it has is a basic text website with no links to files, which is a lot of use.

It's pretty obvious that a lot of people want to have this feature kept, but it looks like that isn't happening, cos winamp 5 is the same as winamp 2, but blobbier, and nobody who knows anything wishes to change it.

I wish i could just protest and go and use another media player. Sadly, noone can seem to make one half as decent as winamp, so I'm stuck. I'm back on winamp 3, which isn't winamp apparently, it's japanese hot sauce player, which isn't supported by nullsoft, so i'll wait for a decent spinoff of that to come out, if it does.

Just watch me get flamed for this.

[Nunzio390]

We've had this explained enough times. Winamp 2 is Winamp.
Winamp 3 isn't.

Ahhh.. So you understand then, Sybs, due to all the explanations. Very good!

I don't know why Winamp 3 isn't Winamp, it just isn't.

Ahhh.. so you don't understand then, in spite of claiming that you've had this explained enough times, and in spite of what DJ Egg posted above. Did you bother to read any of the educational reading material he supplied links for in his post above? It appears that you did NOT. So... I now retract my above statement that was based on your first quoted reply. Not so very good, I'd say. And I'm sure you will now agree. But then again you would have typed in Winamp3 instead of Winamp 3 if you really understood the difference.

Now I see and you should also see that DJ Egg's post to Rikkins above wasn't enough "explanation" for you, even though you said, "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes... All right! Enough!". So, whether you like it or not, I'll explain it ONE more time for you, for your own good, to further help you understand...

The now discontinued Winamp3 (last public release version was v1.0.0.488D) was built from scratch on the Wasabi platform, whereas Classic Winamp (versions 0.x, 1.x, 2.x, and the current 5.x) is built on the standard Win32 engine.

Once again, for MORE clarification...
Winamp and Winamp3 (not Winamp space 3) have always been two different Nullsoft media players / products...

Winamp = Winamp v0.x | Winamp v1.x | Winamp v2.x | Winamp v5.x <-NEW
Winamp3 = Winamp3 v1.0 <-OLD (and a discontinued "dead" project)

The NAME of one product is Winamp (sonz any version numbers).
The NAME of the other product was Winamp3 (sonz the only version number there ever was for that product).
What's in a NAME anyway?? Sheesh! It's moot now because Winamp3 is gone and the name has been changed to Wasabi.Player

If you are still confused about it, then visit this page at my personal site, and read the sections on that page dealing with "About Winamp:", "About Winamp3:", and finally, the "Summary:" section.

Just watch me get flamed for this.

Look... I'm not going to flame you, and if any flaming takes place here I'll shut down this thread. But I suggest that you search through and read the forums further, so that you can glean enough knowledge to back up any future posts you may make.

I've tried looking for Wasabi Player, and all it has is a basic text website with no links to files, which is a lot of use.

Well you haven't looked hard enough, or you would have found this...

Wasabi.Player

Build 499c
Download: Wasabi.Player Build 499c | Wasabi SDK
Discussion: here

Release Notes:
- I have no idea
- Another maintenance release.
- We're saving build #500 for Linux, so we'll just keep adding letters on the end of 499 until we get there.

Users wanting to test w.p should use ^this^ latest stable dev build ONLY!


For all future Wasabi.Player updates: (Nov 2003+)
http://genghis.winamp.com/~brennan/wasabi/
http://www.wasabidev.org

Latest internal dev builds (Note: not 100% stable, intended for wasabi developers only)
wasabi.player build 499f | wasabi.sdk 499f
wasabi.player build 499g | wasabi.sdk 499g

Do NOT download these builds unless you plan to develop for/help debug it!

Sybs...

You wanna play around with Wasabi.Player? Fine. Do so. But understand a few basics first...

1. Download Build 499c - it's the most stable
2. Intended ONLY for use by developers and testers, but you can use it if you like. Nobody will stop you. Just do not distribute it.
3. It is COMPLETELY unsupported (same as Winamp3 is now unsupported). So do not ask for help with it in any way if anything goes wrong.
4. Do not install it into any pre-existing Winamp or Winamp3 program folder. It must be installed in its own directory.

I wish i could just protest and go and use another media player. Sadly, noone can seem to make one half as decent as winamp, so I'm stuck.

You're not "stuck" with anything. It's a free country. We live in a democracy. Use WHATEVER player you want to use. But if you use Winamp, then don't have the audacity to COMPLAIN about the player of YOUR choice in its official forum.

I'm back on winamp 3, which isn't winamp apparently, it's japanese hot sauce player, which isn't supported by nullsoft, so i'll wait for a decent spinoff of that to come out, if it does.

Japanese hotsauce? Huh? Evidently you must have read the "joke" post by Haele in this thread, but you either failed to read my follow-up post, or if you did, you just skimmed right over it.

[Qaxar]

Why all this discussion about WA2, Wa3, WA5, WasabiPlayer? It's as if everyone wants to ignore the fact that there is an excellent enque function in WA5. With DrO's JTFE plugin, enqueuing from the playlist is probably easier than the alt-click in WA3. Granted, there is no sidecar to view the enqueued tracks, and the little numbers don't popup in the playlist. But they are handily viewed via the Jump To File window (as Egg so carefully described in an earlier post to this thread).

In addition, the Media Library in WA5 is really easy to use and very functional. Once it's set up tracks are readily queued from there - and they can be selected across all playlists.

[Nunzio390]

Well said, Qaxar
btw... DrO is also working on an Extended Playlist, which will also include a Winamp3-style sidecar and enqueue support.

Partial quote...

the current features that i am going to work on are:[list=1][*]sidecar support and integrated poppler style usage[*]multiple playlist support (that winamp3/wasabi player thing )[*]enqueue support (like in the Jump to file Extra plugin) but in the playlist[*]drag and drop from playlist to 'x' support (eventually i hope from here)[*]support for original playlist styles [*]hopefully support for winamp versions below 2.9x[*]eventually most of the original playlist options[*]support for playlist plugins to be added into the sidecar area (long way off that one but is on a similar idea to the media library plugins)[/list=1]

[Sybs]

Originally posted by Nunzio390
Japanese hotsauce? Huh? Evidently you must have read the "joke" post by Haele in this thread, but you either failed to read my follow-up post, or if you did, you just skimmed right over it.

Eh, no I didn't read that thread, I just know that Wasabi is a type of Japanese condiment.
Actually, this is the first thread I've posted to in this forum. Simply to ask why the hell the enqueue feature was taken out.

All very nicely explained, but still no satisfaction.



[Edit --> DJ Egg]

Ignorance is bliss eh?
There's just no telling some people

[/Edit]