When did GC fans become "preps" all the sudden?

Soheil · 4th January 2005, 12:06

Haha, if you think GC fans are preps you really don't know anything thing then, most of us are about the farthest thing from that!

gaekwad2 · 4th January 2005, 12:29

GC?

GrindCore?
Gary Cooper?
Gutless Commercialism?

Soheil · 4th January 2005, 13:29

If a preppy likes GC great and all because it's about the music. But my point is, Good Charlotte were outcasts growing up, any true punk is, so you see, the fans that love them so much and understand where they're coming from are also outcasts.

LollipopLustKil · 4th January 2005, 19:48

Good Charlotte is not true punk though, your missing the main point. It's called Pop Punk.

Why was a thread made just for this? Was it supposed to be a reply to some other post by accident?

Namelessv1 · 4th January 2005, 20:54

I think this article from wikipedia.org sums up my opinion of Good Charlotte in terms of the "punk culture" pretty well:

Quote:

Though the band members dress and act in a stereotypically punk rock manner, they are almost universally rejected within the punk scene. Veteran punk fans claim that the band goes against every part of the anti-commercial, do-it-yourself ethos that punk was founded on. They argue that Good Charlotte is only cashing in on the current trendiness of the genre; citing as evidence their frequent appearances on MTV and magazine covers as well as their fondness for major record labels (as opposed to the smaller labels that supported early punk music) and brand name clothing.

Soheil · 5th January 2005, 08:22

"Thats a load of s!#% being as lots of regular middle to upper class kids like them as well.Not just the kids who throw pitty parties for themlseves."
Oh a load of s!#% is it? Guess what, outcasts can be middle to upper class kids too. Lots of people have problems regardless of their parents financial status, it's not easy for everyone to fit in. Many GC fans are greatful that they can have someone to connect with. I am too.

Spazz333 · 5th January 2005, 09:08

Another point would be that what most people consider True Punk tends to have a political slant to it also. From what I've heard of Good Charlotte (I'm far from an expert though) it lacks that. GC falls into the Emo category, which suffers from the woe is me and preppy crowd stigma.

Soheil · 5th January 2005, 11:12

"I dunno, but it pisses me off! in my school, i started wearing converse, then the preps started wearin them, an i stopped!"
Anyone can follow the trend of liking them because MTV plays them but the people who are the true fans will be there long after, all the trends are gone, GC brought a new sound to the scene, it was totally different and like I said, the preps can enjoy it, but after a while, they'll go back to living their perfect existence. They'll never truly understand what it was like for the rest of us.

inthegray · 5th January 2005, 14:18

this is a joke, right?

shakey_snake · 5th January 2005, 14:36

Damn Soheil,
Pull your head out of your ass.

Schmeet · 5th January 2005, 16:07

Punk isn't about outcasts. It never was.
Punk isn't about the way you dress - It never was.
As John Lydon once said, "I fucking hate punks, they seem to have adopted some type of uniform".

Namelessv1 · 5th January 2005, 20:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Soheil
"I dunno, but it pisses me off! in my school, i started wearing converse, then the preps started wearin them, an i stopped!"
Anyone can follow the trend of liking them because MTV plays them but the people who are the true fans will be there long after, all the trends are gone, GC brought a new sound to the scene, it was totally different and like I said, the preps can enjoy it, but after a while, they'll go back to living their perfect existence. They'll never truly understand what it was like for the rest of us.

MTV plays them on its own volition? No, their record company asks MTV to play them. Can you honestly provide a solid example of how Good Charlotte is truly involved in any type of political or social upheaval?

LollipopLustKil · 5th January 2005, 23:04

Why are you putting quotation marks around your own sentances Soheil?

GC did not bring a new sound to the scene, they followed everyone else into the scene. Then they switched from their pop-punk status to emo. They don't have their own sound, they follow others.

Don't call yourself a punk or an outcast either. It makes you look really lame and full of yourself, especially when you say it and listen to GC at the same time.

You won't know the meaning of an outcast until your kicked out of your own house by your parents and have no one that will take you in. Not your relatives or anyone. You can't go to friends because you have none. Your stuck. A bum.

That's an outcast. Not one of the kids in school that wears a Slipknot shirt and says their hardcore.

xenosomething · 6th January 2005, 01:28

what does being an "outcast" have to do with music? is that like new slang or something?

shakey_snake · 6th January 2005, 01:45

Quote:

Originally posted by LollipopLustKil
Not one of the kids in school that wears a Slipknot shirt and says their hardcore.

I knew a kid who wore a Slipknot shirt.
He put a 12 gague in his mouth and blew his head off on the steps in front of my brother's high school.

Spazz333 · 6th January 2005, 01:50

Quote:

Originally posted by xenosomething
what does being an "outcast" have to do with music? is that like new slang or something?

Grrr... I hate it when I can't put something into words. All I can really say is that it's usually high schoolers that associate being an outcast and music. They get picked on, so they listen to violent, antisocial, depressing, woe is me music. Not that listening to that kind of music makes you that way, but self described "outcasts" make that music their way of life, while using their allowance to buy it while their suburban parents pay for everything else.

LollipopLustKil · 6th January 2005, 01:53

For saying you had a hard time putting that into words, I'd say you did quite well Spazz.

Spazz333 · 6th January 2005, 02:14

The only thoughs I really had that I could put down at first was the highschool bit, the rest was more stream of conciousness than actual thought.

xenosomething · 6th January 2005, 03:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Spazz333
...but self described "outcasts" make that music their way of life, while using their allowance to buy it while their suburban parents pay for everything else.

ohhhhh.....i know them!

yeah, they sure have it made don't they?

maybe they should listen to some tchaikovsky, he was very depressed too.

shakey_snake · 6th January 2005, 05:02

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2

GC?

GrindCore?
Gary Cooper?
Gutless Commercialism?

Grumpy Cunt?

gaekwad2 · 6th January 2005, 18:05

You're paranoid.

narcolepsy · 9th January 2005, 19:40

I agree with your very first post on this thread Namelessv1, I actally never cared for GC "Good Charlotte", idk just never appealed 2 me. I agree that the fact is record companys put their bands on MTV and such so they can get mo $$$$$$$$$$$. The bands sorta have no choice, if GC would have picked a not so money hounding record label maybe they wouldnt have ended up on MTV and magazines and such. But the whole thing sorta makes me confused

Tarron_D · 10th January 2005, 07:45

Here is how I see it. I remember when GC released their debut album. (The one from 2000 right? Im certainly no expert on GC.) I was only 11, but I remember loving the shit out of all I heard on MTV. To tell you the truth, that album doesn't suck, in fact, it was very catchy and had great hits on it. I WAS FUCKING ELEVEN! Im 17 now, I've matured, have you?

Unfortunately, all they are doing now is cashing in on their image. If you can't see that, then you are being played by their MTV marketing machine. Seriously, that song "boys and girls"? How fucking worse can it get than that piece of shit? How about those two singles they just released? Pure major label driven ass. They're success is only matched by their use of cliches.

Seriously, go out and listen to some real music. By that I mean music by people with real talent.Oh , and your not an outcast or a rebel. Your a hypocrit.

inthegray · 10th January 2005, 15:54

how were you 11 in 2000, if you're 17 now?

OutlawJim · 10th January 2005, 20:26

Quote:

Originally posted by inthegray
how were you 11 in 2000, if you're 17 now?

i was a little confused about that one too

anyways, good charlotte suck

Tarron_D · 10th January 2005, 23:02

I wasn't using very good math. Technically Im 16, but only for a few more days now, so, 2005, thats 16-5years=11. So 12\11, not much of a difference. Good Charlotte suck, thats what is most important.

Soheil · 12th January 2005, 12:42

"*plays violins for the pitty party throwers*"
*ahem* now back to the subject at hand.One doesnt have to be an outcast or have lots of problems to like gc.You make it almost sound like its a rule that any gc fan has to have problems or they cant like them.As for mentioning the financial status I did that because some of you love to get off on bashing different groups of people because of were they shop and financial status etc etc etc."

No one is asking you to play violins. Are you too stupid to get the point of this or what? Like it or not, GC songs are written for people who don't fit in in life some how. People who aren't the most popular or the most attractive, awkward people and some time rebellious people, in general their stuff means more to people like that as opposed to someone who is popular and who is attractive. Hope you can understand all that!

Schmeet · 12th January 2005, 20:00

GC songs are written for people to stupid to realise how much they are making from this apparent, 'teenage angst' image.

Spazz333 · 12th January 2005, 20:37

Why I hate GC. Well, I should say I don't like most of the poppunk genre cause it irritates me, but this is the exact cause against GC for me.

From "The Anthem"

Quote:

Do you really wanna to be like them
Do you really wanna be another trend
do you wanna be a part of that crowd

Cause i dont ever wanna
No i dont ever wanna be you
Dont wanna be just like you
what I'm saying is
this is the anthem
Trow all your hands up
YOU...don't want to be you!

I don't wanna look like you, so I'll put on the punk uniform instead.

Namelessv1 · 12th January 2005, 21:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Soheil
No one is asking you to play violins. Are you too stupid to get the point of this or what? Like it or not, GC songs are written for people who don't fit in in life some how. People who aren't the most popular or the most attractive, awkward people and some time rebellious people, in general their stuff means more to people like that as opposed to someone who is popular and who is attractive. Hope you can understand all that!

You seem to be fixated on the idea that because Good Charlotte ostensibly does not fit into this social hierarchy you despise, they are somehow "fighting the good fight." Quite honestly, you're exaggerating a social "conflict" that is ultimately trivial. Like Spazz says, nonconformity for the sake of nonconformity is still conformity.

zootm · 12th January 2005, 22:27

Quote:

Originally posted by shakey_snake
I knew a kid who wore a Slipknot shirt.
He put a 12 gague in his mouth and blew his head off on the steps in front of my brother's high school.

I knew a kid who wore a Slipknot shirt.
He got a first-degree honours BSc in Computer Science.

I'm not seeing the point here.

Spazz333 · 12th January 2005, 22:37

I'm thinking he meant that some people who wear those clothes actually do feel outcast, enough to kill themselves. Then again I'm sure that there are a few people who listen to Boy Bands and the like that have done the same thing.

Soheil · 13th January 2005, 01:56

"GC fans became preps when you get homone crazed girls naming themshelfs with the words
1)So
2)heil

Got a problem with my name? I don't care! I used to have a big thing for Soheil and I still think he's very hot so kiss my ass!

LollipopLustKil · 13th January 2005, 02:02

Prep.

Spazz333 · 13th January 2005, 02:15

Quote:

Originally posted by LollipopLustKil
Prep.

Troll?

Namelessv1 · 13th January 2005, 02:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Spazz333
Troll?

Probably.

Soheil · 13th January 2005, 03:59

"Constantly bringing up 'preps' and bashing them to validate yourself and thinking it somehow makes you 'cool' doesent give you mushc credabuility either.if you started a topic about gc and their music that would have been a serious topic not this prep garbage."
I don't constantly bash preps, I even have preppy friend, so don't make assumptions about me. What I'm telling you is that it's b!#%&*!# when people like you are calling GC fans preps because most of us aren't!

xenosomething · 13th January 2005, 04:11

we had a heated discussion about this group in the classic skins forum a while back.....

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=150177

Namelessv1 · 13th January 2005, 04:25

Quote:

Originally posted by Soheil
"Constantly bringing up 'preps' and bashing them to validate yourself and thinking it somehow makes you 'cool' doesent give you mushc credabuility either.if you started a topic about gc and their music that would have been a serious topic not this prep garbage."
I don't constantly bash preps, I even have preppy friend, so don't make assumptions about me. What I'm telling you is that it's b!#%&*!# when people like you are calling GC fans preps because most of us aren't!

Where exactly are you getting your quotes from?

Spazz333 · 13th January 2005, 06:16

One thing before I bow out of this "discussion"

Other than once or twice, /you/ were the only one to call GC fans preps. We give reasons why a lot of people see them that way, the only counter argument is basicly "Fuck off, quit calling us preps."

"adds random quote"

4th January 2005, 12:06	#1
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	When did GC fans become "preps" all the sudden? Haha, if you think GC fans are preps you really don't know anything thing then, most of us are about the farthest thing from that!

4th January 2005, 19:48	#4
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	Good Charlotte is not true punk though, your missing the main point. It's called Pop Punk. Why was a thread made just for this? Was it supposed to be a reply to some other post by accident? Scotty Doesn't Know

5th January 2005, 14:18	#9
inthegray Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 704	this is a joke, right? eric is awesome

5th January 2005, 14:36	#10
shakey_snake Forum Domo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Everyone, get over here for the picture! Posts: 4,313	Damn Soheil, Pull your head out of your ass. elevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladylevitateme

5th January 2005, 23:04	#13
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	Why are you putting quotation marks around your own sentances Soheil? GC did not bring a new sound to the scene, they followed everyone else into the scene. Then they switched from their pop-punk status to emo. They don't have their own sound, they follow others. Don't call yourself a punk or an outcast either. It makes you look really lame and full of yourself, especially when you say it and listen to GC at the same time. You won't know the meaning of an outcast until your kicked out of your own house by your parents and have no one that will take you in. Not your relatives or anyone. You can't go to friends because you have none. Your stuck. A bum. That's an outcast. Not one of the kids in school that wears a Slipknot shirt and says their hardcore. Scotty Doesn't Know

4th January 2005, 12:29	#2
gaekwad2 Foorum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,457	GC? GrindCore? Gary Cooper? Gutless Commercialism?

4th January 2005, 13:29	#3
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	If a preppy likes GC great and all because it's about the music. But my point is, Good Charlotte were outcasts growing up, any true punk is, so you see, the fans that love them so much and understand where they're coming from are also outcasts.

5th January 2005, 08:22	#6
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	"Thats a load of s!#% being as lots of regular middle to upper class kids like them as well.Not just the kids who throw pitty parties for themlseves." Oh a load of s!#% is it? Guess what, outcasts can be middle to upper class kids too. Lots of people have problems regardless of their parents financial status, it's not easy for everyone to fit in. Many GC fans are greatful that they can have someone to connect with. I am too.

5th January 2005, 09:08	#7
Spazz333 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Limbo Posts: 1,498	Another point would be that what most people consider True Punk tends to have a political slant to it also. From what I've heard of Good Charlotte (I'm far from an expert though) it lacks that. GC falls into the Emo category, which suffers from the woe is me and preppy crowd stigma.

5th January 2005, 11:12	#8
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	"I dunno, but it pisses me off! in my school, i started wearing converse, then the preps started wearin them, an i stopped!" Anyone can follow the trend of liking them because MTV plays them but the people who are the true fans will be there long after, all the trends are gone, GC brought a new sound to the scene, it was totally different and like I said, the preps can enjoy it, but after a while, they'll go back to living their perfect existence. They'll never truly understand what it was like for the rest of us.

5th January 2005, 16:07	#11
Schmeet Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The timid west Posts: 1,444	Punk isn't about outcasts. It never was. Punk isn't about the way you dress - It never was. As John Lydon once said, "I fucking hate punks, they seem to have adopted some type of uniform".

6th January 2005, 01:28	#14
xenosomething Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: ? Posts: 1,473	what does being an "outcast" have to do with music? is that like new slang or something? .........?.

6th January 2005, 01:53	#17
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	For saying you had a hard time putting that into words, I'd say you did quite well Spazz. Scotty Doesn't Know

6th January 2005, 02:14	#18
Spazz333 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Limbo Posts: 1,498	The only thoughs I really had that I could put down at first was the highschool bit, the rest was more stream of conciousness than actual thought.

6th January 2005, 18:05	#21
gaekwad2 Foorum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: bar2000 Posts: 11,457	You're paranoid.

9th January 2005, 19:40	#22
narcolepsy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA Posts: 13	I agree with your very first post on this thread Namelessv1, I actally never cared for GC "Good Charlotte", idk just never appealed 2 me. I agree that the fact is record companys put their bands on MTV and such so they can get mo $$$$$$$$$$$. The bands sorta have no choice, if GC would have picked a not so money hounding record label maybe they wouldnt have ended up on MTV and magazines and such. But the whole thing sorta makes me confused

10th January 2005, 07:45	#23
Tarron_D Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bensenville, Illinois. (Chicago Suburb.) Posts: 501	Here is how I see it. I remember when GC released their debut album. (The one from 2000 right? Im certainly no expert on GC.) I was only 11, but I remember loving the shit out of all I heard on MTV. To tell you the truth, that album doesn't suck, in fact, it was very catchy and had great hits on it. I WAS FUCKING ELEVEN! Im 17 now, I've matured, have you? Unfortunately, all they are doing now is cashing in on their image. If you can't see that, then you are being played by their MTV marketing machine. Seriously, that song "boys and girls"? How fucking worse can it get than that piece of shit? How about those two singles they just released? Pure major label driven ass. They're success is only matched by their use of cliches. Seriously, go out and listen to some real music. By that I mean music by people with real talent.Oh , and your not an outcast or a rebel. Your a hypocrit. "If everything I didn't give a shit about died, the only thing that would be left would be me, my dick, and maybe some pizza!" -Two (Visit www.ranting-gryphon.com, it rocks.)

10th January 2005, 15:54	#24
inthegray Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 704	how were you 11 in 2000, if you're 17 now? eric is awesome

10th January 2005, 23:02	#26
Tarron_D Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bensenville, Illinois. (Chicago Suburb.) Posts: 501	I wasn't using very good math. Technically Im 16, but only for a few more days now, so, 2005, thats 16-5years=11. So 12\11, not much of a difference. Good Charlotte suck, thats what is most important. "If everything I didn't give a shit about died, the only thing that would be left would be me, my dick, and maybe some pizza!" -Two (Visit www.ranting-gryphon.com, it rocks.)

12th January 2005, 12:42	#27
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	"plays violins for the pitty party throwers" ahem now back to the subject at hand.One doesnt have to be an outcast or have lots of problems to like gc.You make it almost sound like its a rule that any gc fan has to have problems or they cant like them.As for mentioning the financial status I did that because some of you love to get off on bashing different groups of people because of were they shop and financial status etc etc etc." No one is asking you to play violins. Are you too stupid to get the point of this or what? Like it or not, GC songs are written for people who don't fit in in life some how. People who aren't the most popular or the most attractive, awkward people and some time rebellious people, in general their stuff means more to people like that as opposed to someone who is popular and who is attractive. Hope you can understand all that!

12th January 2005, 20:00	#28
Schmeet Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The timid west Posts: 1,444	GC songs are written for people to stupid to realise how much they are making from this apparent, 'teenage angst' image.

12th January 2005, 22:37	#32
Spazz333 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Limbo Posts: 1,498	I'm thinking he meant that some people who wear those clothes actually do feel outcast, enough to kill themselves. Then again I'm sure that there are a few people who listen to Boy Bands and the like that have done the same thing.

13th January 2005, 01:56	#33
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	"GC fans became preps when you get homone crazed girls naming themshelfs with the words 1)So 2)heil Got a problem with my name? I don't care! I used to have a big thing for Soheil and I still think he's very hot so kiss my ass!

13th January 2005, 02:02	#34
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	Prep. Scotty Doesn't Know

13th January 2005, 03:59	#37
Soheil Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	"Constantly bringing up 'preps' and bashing them to validate yourself and thinking it somehow makes you 'cool' doesent give you mushc credabuility either.if you started a topic about gc and their music that would have been a serious topic not this prep garbage." I don't constantly bash preps, I even have preppy friend, so don't make assumptions about me. What I'm telling you is that it's b!#%&*!# when people like you are calling GC fans preps because most of us aren't!

13th January 2005, 04:11	#38
xenosomething Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: ? Posts: 1,473	we had a heated discussion about this group in the classic skins forum a while back..... http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=150177 .........?.

13th January 2005, 06:16	#40
Spazz333 Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Limbo Posts: 1,498	One thing before I bow out of this "discussion" Other than once or twice, /you/ were the only one to call GC fans preps. We give reasons why a lot of people see them that way, the only counter argument is basicly "Fuck off, quit calling us preps." "adds random quote"

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