Registered: Sep 2000
From: Cle, OH, USA

Since when was any old bum off the street able to sign a record deal?
People who have absolutely NO talent can moan into microphones and make millions of dollars. *cough*JaRule*cough* I mean JaRule in particular. He has NO vocal talent whatsoever, but he gets millions of screaming fans and hot women. Trey Anastasio of Phish has tons of vocal talent, and MORE women. What does that tell you? nothing. My point is that any average loser can set up a drum loop and start rhyming and make tons of Money.

Then why can't Robert Frost be a rapper? He rhymes. He makes tons on money already. But he can't. it's because he's not BLACK. there's the demographic of people that are only going to buy music if A) their friends listen to it, and B) the singer is someone who they could relate to. Like Aaron Carter (>.<) Lots of little girls like him because he's a gay little boy. But that's drifting from the point. The point is that the people who listen to rap are either people ho think they are unique because they listen to a certain type of music, and so many people try to become unique that it becomes not unique, because everyone's listening to it, and there's the people like the screaming kids on TRL. They listen to it almost entirely because their friends listen to it. It's ALL peer pressire these days. Godforbid you try to be unique. I was talking to someone a few weeks ago about the music they listen to. He just happened to be the typical black teenager who's been hypnotized by the media today. Why? I asked him why he doesn't try to losten to something new. He simply answered "because it's not mainstream, and your gay phish isn't".

Needless to say, I got really not and bothered about this. The same "alternative rap" he was blapping about before was all of a sudden "mainstream" and hip and with it. I went on to say how people who listen to bands who you don't see on MTV every day always tend to be different. Gob forbid you're your own person and don't listen to the crap that's on MTV and most of the radio.

About 10 minutes later, someone sitting by me who overheard the conversation asked what kind of music I did like, since to him it seemed like I hate everything that he's ever heard. and I probably do, since all he does is watch MTV and listen to AOL radio when he gets home to log onto his l33+ AOL (i'm joking, moron). Anyways, I went on to say Phish blah blah Green Day blah Tool blah blah RHCP blah Cake-. He stopped me. "Cake? CAKE? you mean 'I want a girl with a short skirt and a loong jacket', that Cake?" "Yeah", I said, "they rule". "They SUCK", he said. He was judging a band, and possibly an entire genre by a single VERSE in a song that happened to be mistakenly played on MTV. By mistakenly, I mean Cake was never, EVER meant to be mainstream. they're for a small group of prople who can appreciate John McCrea's lovely singing philosophy.

He got into this big speech about how much they sucked compared to everything he's eeen on MTV and AOL radio, pretty much everything th first person said about how they're not mainstream and blah blah.

Come on. fucking COME ON. Just because they're not overpublicized and accompanied by screaming girls doesn't make them bad. Which brings me back to my point. Rap has become waaay too over publicized, over capitalized, and overmoronized. Rap can be good of you subtract the whores, the cheap loops, and everyone who just walked into a studio and recorded something and then put it out in the stores. What networks like MTV do is say "This is what's in, This is whats out, this is what you spend your money on, and this is what you're supposed to hate". All their friends listen to what they say, so they really have no choice but to do what their friends do on fear of being rejected. Like it would be that bad if they're rejected from the big clique anyway. I've been my own person for my entire life, I've never bought a CD that you'd see on MTV (Green Day and RHCP excluded, they walk the fine line between excessive publicity and actually good music.)


I have lots more to say about this, but I'm tred of typing. If you read this, thank you.


KTHXBYE

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Way to rant Phish, yay!

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From: Cle, OH, USA

*puts on flame retardant suit*

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*steps out to take the flames*

I agree 1000% with Phish on this.!

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dont u think that's kind of out of line? you singled out blacks, gays, and anyone who listens to rap. i listen to rap. yet i listen to bands like blink 182, the beatles, foo fighters, incubus, you know, the kind of music BLACK people wouldnt be caught dead listening to. i consider my music likes to be unique... and i watch TRL. therefore, im contradicting your ideas. i also don't buy music b/c my friends like it... all my friends love creed... i hate them. i love system of a down; my friends hate them... need i go on?

I just think you're an afraid little boy who is addicted to phish and is pissed off b/c they are done and us rap-listening, TRL screaming, gay little kid sexing, peer-pressure failing, black subculturists are taking over the good music culture.

buh bye

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Phish's point that rappers are black was valid. The example i know of, of a non black rapper, is Eminem, and he is shit.

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From: Skydog Retirement Home

Since when did rap become music?
Sounds more like noise to me.
It's no wonder to me that the people who listen to rap all the time
are usually pissed off all the time about something.
Oh well...just my opinion.

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From: Cle, OH, USA

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Phish's point that rappers are black was valid. The example i know of, of a non black rapper, is Eminem, and he is shit.

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Let's not forget Vanilla Ice


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Sounds good to me

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Since when did rap become music?
Sounds more like noise to me.

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I have to agree. I hate rap. It's just not music.

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Just wait till we get the rap fans in here...

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i hope you guys arent ever in harlem with a gun when your pissed off

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i agree with some of your points phish (especially on the whole MTV culture crap that has invaded the minds of the youth); but don't disregard ALL rap, there is good rap music out there, unfortunately they are all either long gone or hidden so deep into the underground that no one knows about them; examples:

Tribe Called Quest & Digable Planets(they didn't rap about thugs, hoes, drugs, etc.) plus instead of looping a crappy beat; they mixed jazz with their rhymes, so that the music was more akin to a sort of jazz-scatting

Arrested Development mixed african beats, and hippie philosophy to advocate a peaceful world (they also rhymed about important topics)

also: Afrika Bambaataa, Missy Elliot (she uses tabla beats!), Us3, Fugees, and come on HEAVY D was funny man!

take into account the amount of bands that are not classified as "rap artists" but rap anyways; beta band, tricky, g love & special sauce, gorillaz, BEASTIE BOYS, i mean listen to bob dylan's "subterranean homesick blues" it was rap before rap had a name

i don't hate rap itself, i think it can be done very well, what i dislike (HATE) is the whole ghetto attitude; white & women-bashing, constant drug, & violence referneces- the music has become very redundant

but remember also that phish played a number of covers of rap songs; didn't you enjoy them? phish's version of "Gettin' Jiggy With It" is great, but Will Smith's version is nice too. they're just different. don't disregard ALL of a type of music just cuz you hate an attitude--> there are well-meaning & talented folks who engage in rap (or any other type of music for that matter)

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but remember also that phish played a number of covers of rap songs; didn't you enjoy them? phish's version of "Gettin' Jiggy With It" is great, but Will Smith's version is nice too. they're just different. don't disregard ALL of a type of music just cuz you hate an attitude--> there are well-meaning & talented folks who engage in rap (or any other type of music for that matter)

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Ok, I was generalizing a bit
Phish's version of GJWI and Rusted Root's version with Phish of Gin and Juice were hilarious =)

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Registered: Jun 2001
From: Skydog Retirement Home

Points well made Boplicity.

And I do agree that "Subterranean Homesick Blues" would today be considered rap.
Which proves that it can be done right.
But you'd never hear it on MTV.
I'd never hear it there anyway, cause I quit watching MTV
a long time ago.

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From: Cincy, Ohio

i listen to what i like. right now i'm listening to an alt. rock band called symphony x. but after that the track changes to a Kardinal Offishall track. why? cuz i like it. but TRL is shit. 30 second snippets of crap videos from crap bands, and then miscellaneous other crap.

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Just wait till we get the rap fans in here...

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WAJOO BE SAYIN DAWG? ARE YOU TRIPPIN BEKUZ I KNOW YOU AINT TRIPPIN G

Yeah just wait until the rap people come. They will find that won't be able to make a point because of their incomprehensible ebonics which make them look oh so intelligent and informed

I would just like to point out that as the most..."conservative"... music listener on the boards (Does anyone want to challenge me for that position?) I find most modern music revolting and repugnant. And the music that consistantly is the most AWFUL, with the WORST message, and MOST ROTTEN production value, is Rap. It is at the same time painful and unimaginable to think how the same humanity has produced both Bach and Eminem, and the degrees of degeneration in between.

Its artists live hypocritical lives, singing things about ghettos and hard knock lives while living in hard marble mansions with everything down to the doorbell in gaudy gold plated 24k "extravagence". (Bling bling they call it) Is it me, or does P Diddy imitate Liberace's style down to the fur stole around his ugly neck? Well I guess they both subscribe to something Mr. Liberace once said about his clothes- "They may look funny but they get me the money"

Rap is music. But barely- it has relenquished many of the basic qualities of music shortly after the MC Hammer days as it transformed into drumbeat and sample gangsta mode. And now even it has degenerated to a point where it samples from early gangsta songs. Eventually they will be sampling from sampled samples. It is a stagnant pool with very low artistic or aesthetic value. Most of the artists now rely on shock value which works and has worked for awhile in music (Eminem) but everytime proves to be a failed device (M.Manson) as it gets old quickly. I have heard some rap by a fellow named outkast who seems be popular because he sings about non-ho related things- something about bombs over baghdad and another being fresh and clean. The production value seems to be higher, so maybe this whole "gangsta" thing could be the "nadir" of rap and the whole medium might rebound (Although very slowly)

Now enough about that; i don't want to provoke any would be hoodlums to drive by mail bomb me.

TRL - a year back my sister was in a pizza hut commercial with Carson Daly (Daily? Daaly?) and when she came back to school she was mobbed by not just high school girls but junior high school girls. Look people this is pop music- simple simple bubble gum. I have said many times before on that its not a new phenomenon- its been here in its modern form since the partridge family and the monkees. It panders to the masses. The producers create the bands and songs almost like chemicals- they are scientifically DESIGNED and formulated from the start to be loved by millions. Don't get mad, just don't listen. Realize that pop is here to stay. I Don't mind pop, its mindless gobbedlygook. I Do mind rap... because I don't like my brother (literal blood brother, not as black people mean it ) being into Pimps and whores. In the first half of this century, those people were undesirables Rap in its current incarnation has a slow corrosive effect on people... and society. Its not just mindless ghetto slang ... its corrupt to the core.

-Xerxes (A player hater in the true meaning of the word)

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-Xerxes (A player hater in the true meaning of the word)

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yeah, i think we figured that out.

yo dawg before i bust from this joint i gotta leave dis piece of advice cuz there be mad opinions up in here, ya heard?

'To each his own'

str8 thug,

John M

p.s.> i got so much bling i chrome my floppy disks

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From: my 4 Houses on Park Place

To each, his own music.

But also, to each his own opinion

Word to yo'mutha

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And that's the truth.
What you may hate, another loves.
what is heaven for you, is hell on some other one's ears..
Don't say your genre is the only one.. they all got listeners..

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Obviously you have been smoking again today

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Doesn't he always?

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It's no wonder to me that the people who listen to rap all the time are usually pissed off all the time about something.
Oh well...just my opinion.

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Hi there love. You are entitled to your opinion, however your statement is untrue. You are taking music and putting everyone who listens to this type of music and putting them into a catagory.

I personally listen to rap and R&B most of the time. The music can be sensual. Take a minute and listen to R. Kelly. I feel gangastar rap gives the whole rap music culture a bad deal. There are very talented artists out there if you just give it a chance.

John M has proven to me that you can be a good rapper and not be all about drugs, violence, ect.......

To each his/her own.

Big Hugs all,

~ Missy

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Hey Missy...no problem.
I guess I did paint with a broad brush.
The rap I speak of is the drug, violence, sexist hateful garbage that
calls itself music. There are too many young people who live this message.
And that pains me.
I once posted here a long time ago about a radio station here in OKC,
kokf-fm, that spreads the word of spirituality and God
by the way of all kinds of music,
from dance to trance to rock to metal to R&B to headbanger to folk to rap.
I'm all for it.
I don't understand some of it including the rap, but I know the message is good.
I guess I'm just old fashioned.

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The quest of each generation is to separate itself from the previous generation. This is necessary for societal advancement. The generation must define itself by alienating the previous one in order to gain a specific identity.

for our parents, it was rock, for us, its rap.

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for our parents, it was rock, for us, its rap.

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I listen to rock and rap, what does that make me???? I guess very confused

~ Missy

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you know, i'm mixed. i like hip-hop, not rap particularly. for me, rap is an instrument constantly laid over supposedly "fresh" beats. i mean, listen to outkast. they're more of a singer-rapper group with fresh contemp. r & b beats. dre is more of rappa dawg wit def hip-hoppin' beats. all rap is, is meaningless lyrics about fame and fortune, and love laid over annoying music. but i like it. i also like dance music, garage music, MJ COLE in particularly, dj spinna, MY music, any electronica, techno, triphop, dub, techno, r&b, contemporary r&b, some rock, you know. but if you catch me at my home, you won't like what i'm playing.

oh by da way:
EXECUTIVE LOUNGE: BIG TYME rulez! and that song is purely hip-hop. INDEPENDENT hip-hop.

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i listen to the ganster rap as well as the inspirational rap (2Pac, R. Kelly, Jagged Edge, etc)
i dont smoke weed... i dont snort lines, i dont rape sluts, i dont carouse, i dont kill, etc etc etc
face it, there's alot of quality rap out there. just because you dont like doesnt give you the right to stereotype anyone who listens to it

think a little more open minded please

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The quest of each generation is to separate itself from the previous generation.

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I would just like to point out that as the most..."conservative"... music listener on the boards (Does anyone want to challenge me for that position?)

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Doesn't he always?

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sample of tribe called quest
http://dj_roach.tripod.com/tribesample.zip
check it out its not bad stuff i realy dig tribe they are very eclectic in their raps and beats you may like it.

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Remember, both rap and rock found their roots in the Jazz era.

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From: Skydog Retirement Home

Lets not forget the Blues and when they came into the picture?

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Well, first and foremost; people, and I repeat, people who use winamp don't listen to Rap. People who enjoy music will naturaly go out to the web and find the best God damn player they can in order to get the best, freaking experience they can. Since we did conclude that Rap doesn't qualify as music, all other people still use what they have on their computers to listen to Rap, most likely that old Windows 95 media player, hehehe. I heard that one fella thought he could only listen to music through AOL's internal, built-in player, so every time he'd want to play rap, he would have to login to AOL. People who listen to rap, my friends, usualy don't know what .mp3 stands for. That's why the whole Rap industry is doing so well, because majority of their "fans" go out, and spend their drug-dealing dollars to buy their albums, as the term "download" is foreign to them. I live in NY, the fucking capital of RAP and MTV, so I can relate. Rap induces violence, segregation, and hatred; yes, that's why people who listen to Rap walk around pissed off all the time. Bottom line is, if you are reading this, there's a very good chance that you don't listen to Rap, thus, you stayed in school, and can read.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

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I agree. God forbid you're your own person

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Rap induces violence, segregation, and hatred; yes, that's why people who listen to Rap walk around pissed off all the time.

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or they read your post.

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You must be from mid-west, no? It's all fun and games there for you, isn't it? Why don't you crawl out from underneath your trailer, and come back to civilization. It's not all bread and butter, my friend, but I do enjoy your feedback. Keep it real, brotha.

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Well, first and foremost; people, and I repeat, people who use winamp don't listen to Rap.

People who listen to rap, my friends, usualy don't know what .mp3 stands for. That's why the whole Rap industry is doing so well, because majority of their "fans" go out, and spend their drug-dealing dollars to buy their albums, as the term "download" is foreign to them. I live in NY, the fucking capital of RAP and MTV, so I can relate. Rap induces violence, segregation, and hatred; yes, that's why people who listen to Rap walk around pissed off all the time. Bottom line is, if you are reading this, there's a very good chance that you don't listen to Rap, thus, you stayed in school, and can read.

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You must be from mid-west, no? It's all fun and games there for you, isn't it? Why don't you crawl out from underneath your trailer, and come back to civilization. It's not all bread and butter, my friend, but I do enjoy your feedback. Keep it real, brotha.

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crawl out from underneath my trailer, naw i wouldnt do such a thing, thats were i keep my cold pabst blue ribon at, if i keep it in the house my wife will drink it and tack another 25lbs on to here already 350lbs gansta rap listen'n white trash trailer park ass.

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