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Old 7th August 2005, 00:17   #41
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the source of the economic problem may not be Bush. it may simply be the American people. it may be the big companies outsourcing. not all problems are the fault of others. you may be too blind to see it's only yourself causing the problem but don't want to admit it. i understand, it's the "American" thing to do these days.

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Old 7th August 2005, 03:00   #42
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Speaking of friends, how the hell have you been Papadoc?
I thought you went permalurk on us
Been great Chev. Busy and my daughter moved here from Georgia.
She's hijacked my computer so I don't get on much anymore.
Good to see your still the same ole' Chev I've always loved
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Old 7th August 2005, 04:10   #43
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You have no idea how much I've missed your posts.
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Old 7th August 2005, 12:09   #44
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Might as well have said:


The joke is over. Socialism and any hint of freedom can't coexist.
Europe, Quit kidding yourselves!
HA! we have more freedom than you guys these days
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Old 7th August 2005, 15:39   #45
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Yeah right.
Give me an example.


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Old 7th August 2005, 19:14   #46
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[B]If your head is too far up your ass to read a thread before posting in it, why should anyone think your political opinions are any more informed or aware?
My head's no farther up my ass than yours is. Look at this piece of data you have here. Look at it real hard and then look at the most important piece of it - the change from last month to this month. The only reason why the number of people registered as 'unemployed' dropped is because they exhausted their unemployment benefits which can be proven by the number of people unemployed for six months or more.

While the unemployment figure is an important indicator of the economy, another figure, which the Bush administration does not report on, is perhaps even more important. That’s the number of jobs cut. Fortunately, the private employment firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas does report monthly on the number of jobs eliminated. Their report released last month found that employers cut 110,996 jobs. This was a 35 percent increase over the prior month, and it brought layoffs up to their highest level since January of 2004.

Between January and June of this year, 538,274 jobs have been cut. This is a 14 percent increase over the same period last year. Last month’s report by Challenger revealed that the auto industry cut 45,378 jobs. This was the fourth month in a row that manufacturers cut jobs. In fact, job losses in manufacturing have occurred in all but two of the last twelve months. The retail industry eliminated 24,065 jobs. The Challenger report predicted, “The pace of job cutting in the second half of 2005 is expected to stay ahead of last year, as employers continue to close facilities and consolidate in order to achieve maximum efficiency.”

Earlier this summer, the staffing firm Manpower surveyed 16,000 companies to determine their hiring expectations for the upcoming third quarter. Fifty-seven percent of the companies responded that they expect their hiring numbers to stay the same, a decline of two percent over this time last year. Six percent expect to decrease the size of their work force. Only thirty-one percent plan to hire more workers. The survey revealed that the employment picture for the Midwest is particularly grim, as a majority of companies in this region expect a downturn in hiring.

On July 19, computer manufacturer Hewlett-Packard announced that it would layoff 14,500 workers in the next 18 months. Two days later, Kodak announced it would layoff 10,000 workers over the next two years, 7,000 of which will be in manufacturing jobs. The following day, Kimberly-Clark, the maker of Kleenex tissues, Huggies diapers, and Scott paper products announced it would cut 6,000 jobs and close or sell 20 manufacturing plants by 2008. For each of these companies, declining profits spurred the layoffs.

Since the recession in 2001, the return of full-time jobs has been slow, at best. It took 40 months for the labor market to return to its original level of full-time employment following the 2001 recession. Since July of last year, full-time employment has only grown by 2.4 percent. This recovery has been slower, and more meager, than in any recession during the last 25 years, according to the Economic Policy Institute

Following the economic downturn in 1981, it took 27 months for full-time employment to return to its pre-recessionary level. After the recession of 1990, it took 34 months for the labor market to return to its previous full-time employment level. And fewer additional full-time jobs have been created after this recession than the previous two. At this point following the recessions, full-time employment was 7.1 percent (1980s), 4.2 percent (1990s), and 2.4 percent (2000s) higher than at the start of the recessions.

Now tell me again how those little 0.1 and 0.3 percentage points really matter. I do plenty of research and don't rely on some little chart that can easily skew ones perception of the real job market. But indeed most of this information came from the same arm of the government that provided your data. Maybe you should get a little more informed yourself.

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Old 12th August 2005, 06:43   #47
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behind bush's lies is the truth and an ultimate goal to this bushwacker. I happen to know why by doing research and the truth is mind boggling. I couldnt accept it at first but then it sank and it made sense. The average american will not be able to process the information if it was told to them, so these news that seem to be unfolding as they occurr, are pre fabricated...everything goes as far back as Kennedy and presidents before him. I wont go into details but I can tell you this. Its for controlling purposes, from above.
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Yep, I'll give you that much and one thing I'm not afraid to admit - our goverment (both Democrats and Republicans) are all full of shit - shit so deep you need a 40 foot ladder to keep from getting your ankles in it.

Seems the only difference is who's side each political party stand on. Democrats have primarily been for the 'working man', unions and the such - which represents the majority of people. The Republicans stand on the side of corporations and the generally wealthy (and most recently the Christian conservatives). To figure out which one you like pretty much depends on who you are although even that has become muddled over the past ten years - Republicans are starting to act like the Democrats of ten years ago and the Democrats are acting like the Republicans did ten years ago.

Fuck I'm confused now.

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Common sense and a knack for acknowledging history is all you need to know how fucked up this country is and where it's headed.

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We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context, his thoughts are particularly poignant.

Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.

Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: (Second) "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. (Third) The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.

Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'
I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, (Seventh) I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' (Eighth) I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
A very interesting speach from a left winger with a surprisingly right wing tone.
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Old 13th August 2005, 01:28   #50
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Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast.

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
Man hit that shit right dead on the head of the nail blindfolded. Sad it will probably fall on deaf ears and soon we wll be a third world country.

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...and soon we wll be a third world country.
as long as I get to laugh at you in 2012.
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Things can only go so far downhill before you're not on the hill at all anymore.

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yes but something tells me you don't know how high up on the hill you really are.

Besides, that is your view. Some would say things are moving uphill.
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