Old 25th November 2001, 02:51   #81
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Old 25th November 2001, 03:00   #82
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haha... i saw what you really said

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Oh man, I was perfect until that blunder just now. My life is over. I made a mistake.

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Old 25th November 2001, 03:02   #83
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Lol! Oh, no... I said something which made no sense, so I replaced it with something which made even less sense. Ignore that post.
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Old 25th November 2001, 03:03   #84
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Okay this is really disturbing.

Some american girl gave birth in the bathroom at her high school prom. She then strangled the baby, left it lying dead in the toilet and casually went back to the dancefloor.

The reason it was on the radio... well, she's been convicted of manslaughter just now, I believe. Serves her right.

/me shivers.
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Old 25th November 2001, 03:23   #85
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Are you looking for really ODD occurances just to prove your point?

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Old 25th November 2001, 03:25   #86
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Lol! Oh, no... I said something which made no sense, so I replaced it with something which made even less sense. Ignore that post.
o.0 <--- me eyeballing you
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Old 25th November 2001, 03:32   #87
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Are you looking for really ODD occurances just to prove your point?
i second that question?

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Old 25th November 2001, 04:59   #88
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It's a difficult decision and one made (hopefully) together by all parties involved.
Hmm. I see a problem with that statement.
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Old 25th November 2001, 05:57   #89
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ex·plain (k-spln)
v. ex·plained, ex·plain·ing, ex·plains
v. tr.
1. To make plain or comprehensible.
2. To define; expound: We explained our plan to the committee.
3. a) To offer reasons for or a cause of; justify: explain an error.
b)To offer reasons for the actions, beliefs, or remarks of (oneself).

v. intr.
To make something plain or comprehensible: Let me explain.


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v. sny·da, sny·mama, sny·dar
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1. To eat massive amounts of cheese.
2. To ignore one's cheese addiction.
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b) To offer reasons for the action of eating massive amounts of cheese.

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Old 25th November 2001, 06:14   #91
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explain?
Taking a guess (although I haven't read the rest of this thread so don't know his views on the subject), I would assume RM means that the unborn child is involved and yet has no say in the decision.

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Old 25th November 2001, 06:26   #92
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Exactly. Whether you want to accept the humanness of the fetus or not is irrelevant, it is still undeniable that the fetus is the cause for even having a discussion on whether to abort it or not, thus, is involved.
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Old 25th November 2001, 06:45   #93
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I think abortion should be a woman's decision. And if we are supposed to only have sex just to have kids then there shouldnt be any pleasure when having sex. Because most people who have sex is for the pleasure not in having kids. And what if we didnt have abortions. We would a have a whole lot more orphanages. I would rather be dead when I'm unborn and unable to feel, then have to live life being unwanted and have to live in a orphange. Its not fair to the kids who is born and have to live a life without parents. I think its better to have to kid die unborn than to live a bad life in a orphanage.


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hmmm. i think that is something that shall never be answered definetly, whether or not to let the child live based on the idea that he might have it rough growing up. I would say, "well that's nice, but is it your place to decide? 2 outa 3 might hate their life, but that one that was spared their death as a fetus may grow up and find their love and go on to be the president of the USA. Who knows." but someone else might say "I live in an area that is ridden with drugs violence and hate and I don't want to subject my child to such a life"

so altimately I guess it all comes down to the parents to decide. Just decide what YOU believe to be right. I know what I believe, but then again mabey I'm wrong, or mabey the situation is just differen't for someone else, etc., so I'll just keep my beliefs to myself for the most part and just provide my input if I feel it's needed, but in no way will I force my ideals on anyone else.

blah blah blah

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I read in the Sunday Express today that Abortion is now proven to be linked to Breast Cancer.
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Old 25th November 2001, 14:50   #96
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After reading all of this, I still feel the same. It is a womans right to choose.

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Old 25th November 2001, 14:58   #97
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Old 25th November 2001, 17:54   #98
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"Equivocation is a sign of guilt"

I guess I'm not as well. If I were pulling teeth, would I have to ask my tooth's permission? I am thoroughly confused on this issue.
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Old 25th November 2001, 19:18   #99
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Thing is, in this case, there is some doubt as to whether the "tooth" is alive or not.

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Abortion rules, all women should have the choice reguardless of the situation. It also should be free and not paid for.
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Old 25th November 2001, 19:52   #101
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I THINK IT HAS BECOME FAR TOO EASY FOR WOMEN TO HAVE ABORTIONS, I AGREE THAT IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE WOMAN OR HER BABY ARE AT RISK THAT SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ABORTION ,AND IT SHOULD BE TOTALY FREE AND HAVE NO STIGMA ATTACHED .
BUT WITH THE PILL SO FREELY AVAILIABLE THERE IS NO REAL EXCUSE TO BECOME PREGNANT AT ALL.
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Old 25th November 2001, 19:57   #102
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except that the pill, condoms etc are not 100% reliable

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Old 25th November 2001, 20:05   #103
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I'm an abortion survivor yet don't blame my mom, whoever she is!

Thanks mom for trying to keep me from enduring a life without love, a father, or happiness
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Old 25th November 2001, 20:07   #104
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In most unwanted pregnancies the pill or condoms dont even enter the two peoples heads till its too late ,and the pill gives 98% prtection so its far better than nothing at all
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Old 25th November 2001, 20:14   #105
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CRAZYDUDE IS SPEAKING

I think that this is a very hot issue right now, BUT... what i am getting at is the fact that a woman has total control of her body and the fucking fetus is leeching off of her. It's attatched to her body!... so therefore it is part of her body. When it is born, it is different, but if it is aborted, it is part of the woman... see what i am getting at here? Anyways, what is up with all these ProLife people running around killing abortion doctors? That is really, for life, huh?

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Old 25th November 2001, 20:25   #106
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I agree the woman has total control over her body ,so therefore she has total responsibility for the pregnacy,and if its not what she wanted then she has to accept the fact that she just cant get rid of it as if it was something she bought and didnt like ,
its a new life for god sake
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Old 25th November 2001, 20:31   #107
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Always remember it takes two to make the baby.
So THAT'S how babies are made...

If you don't look, I'll force you to.
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So THAT'S how babies are made...
LOL
But anyways, i don't agree with all of these people who say blah blah blah, it's a new life, blah blah blah... it doesn't KNOW what life is!
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Thing is, in this case, there is some doubt as to whether the "tooth" is alive or not.
So is a cancerous tumor. Neither a tumor or a fetus can survive without the host. Both the tumor and the fetus extract nutrients from the host. Both a tumor and a fetus are 'alive', in one sense or another. Should we not allow the removal of tumors even if they are unwanted. Damn. I should stop confusing myself so much.
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I always thought the stork bought babies :|
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Old 25th November 2001, 21:12   #111
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I always thought the stork bought babies :|
You watch too many cartoons, my mom told me that babies come from the UPS Man.
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You watch too many cartoons, my mom told me that babies come from the UPS Man.
In your mom's case, that may be true.
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Old 25th November 2001, 22:39   #114
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BUT WITH THE PILL SO FREELY AVAILIABLE THERE IS NO REAL EXCUSE TO BECOME PREGNANT AT ALL.
Not every woman can take the pill billbo. With my medical condition, I am unable to take hormones.

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So is a cancerous tumor. Neither a tumor or a fetus can survive without the host. Both the tumor and the fetus extract nutrients from the host. Both a tumor and a fetus are 'alive', in one sense or another. Should we not allow the removal of tumors even if they are unwanted. Damn. I should stop confusing myself so much.
true... but the tumor doesn't have the possability, if left untouched in the body, to eventually be birthed and be concidered by all to be alive (in the humanoid sence).
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yes i understand that missy ,and i realise that a fair amount of women cant take the pill for whatever reason ,so it makes you particulaly carefull about having unprotected sex,but thousands of women have unplanned pregnancies ,and some of those are very young and just dont seem to care about the possible results of a few minutes of thoughtless pleasure
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what i am getting at is the fact that a woman has total control of her body and the fucking fetus is leeching off of her. It's attatched to her body!... so therefore it is part of her body. When it is born, it is different, but if it is aborted, it is part of the woman... see what i am getting at here?
so after the baby is born and has not yet taken a breath of air but is till ATTACHED by the umbilical cord (aka STILL APART OF THE MOTHER), it would be ok to kill it?

What about when the babie has been growing for a good 7 and a half months and is almost fullsize. If just taken out now, chances are it will die, so by all means it is still relying on the host (mother) to sustain any type of life. So is it still ok to kill it?

So what's the difference, WHERE it is currently at, or WHO it is ATTACHED to, or HOW far along it is? Is it not still gonna grow into a living person?

WARNING: The views expressed here are not nessisarily the views of anyone. They were simply givin as another idea to think about.
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repeat, it's all really a question as when one personally believes a person is alive - at conception, at birth, or somewhere in between.

Until we can make a nice little agreement on this issue, we really can't go any further.

Question: when does a child actualy begin to have conscious thought?

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Crazydude999, you disgust me.

By your definition, it would be legal for siamese twins to kill each other.
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Question: when does a child actualy begin to have conscious thought?
I've always figured that it would be when it develops some form of language. When that is, though, I'm unsure.
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