Old 20th September 2004, 16:01   #1
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Will there be a WinAmp 6? :winamp:

I was wondering, because in the winamp info thing, it says "The last version for now".

Is that the last version of WinAmp 5, if you don't find bugs, or will there ever be a new version?
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Old 20th September 2004, 16:43   #2
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Well, all the coders are gone. You decide for yourself after reading this quote from DJ Egg...
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No coders. No fix.

Christophe, Francis & Mig all quit after 5.04 release.
Justin (winamp creator) and Brennan & Aus (wasabi) were already gone, around 5.01/2 release.

Peter (now fb2k) was looking after in_mod up until 2.8x, then X-Fixer (who seems to have vanished off the face of the earth) for 2.9x.
Christophe fixed a major security issue (buffer underrun vulnerability) for 5.02 and also made it so it saved settings to winamp.ini instead of the registry. Apart from that, no other changes have been made to the working in_mod.dll code.

David Biderman, Tom P & Tag are the only coders left at the moment...
Tom & Tag are mainly Shoutcast devs, and David is the project manager and mainly just fixes & compiles the builds. None of them are greatly familiar with certain aspects of the 2.x/5.x api (not like Justin, Christophe & Francis are/were anyway)...

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Old 20th September 2004, 19:21   #3
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Bugger.

Can't AOL hire some more guys?

I want a version 6.0

Well, as long as WinAmp seize to exist I think I'm happy. Just the fact that when WinAmp 2 was on the rise, it was not unusual that a release once a week was un-realistic.
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Old 20th September 2004, 20:05   #4
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and Then????

now our hopes are all on DrO or wasabi.t0x.org??????

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Old 20th September 2004, 22:32   #5
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Why do so many want a new version so badly? 5.05 does everything that people wanted from Winamp and if it doesn't, there are plug-ins available that will solve that problem. It's stable, fast, and (at least as far as we know) does not have security holes. Be happy with what you have! We don't need another version for a long time, and by then I'm sure AOL will have hired new coders.
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Why do so many want a new version so badly? 5.05 does everything that people wanted from Winamp and if it doesn't, there are plug-ins available that will solve that problem. It's stable, fast, and (at least as far as we know) does not have security holes. Be happy with what you have! We don't need another version for a long time, and by then I'm sure AOL will have hired new coders.
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They should make it opensource... but that's just my opinion. With AOL behind the wheel it will never happen.

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[@sim`a] i have nightmares about syntax errors, whats your point
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Old 20th September 2004, 23:13   #8
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Old 21st September 2004, 00:41   #9
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dont get antsy people. this isnt a memory leak in firefox that you need fixed. When you do everything right winamp is almost perfect. MAybe its cause a year and a half ago i was using 2.4, but 5.05 is fine the way it is
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Old 21st September 2004, 12:16   #11
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It's reached near perfection. why's a new version needed

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Old 21st September 2004, 12:19   #12
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Why Winamp 6? What about 5.1 - 5.99?
The only point of changing the major version number if there is a major change (i.e. cd ripping, freeform skin support).

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Old 21st September 2004, 12:35   #13
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Apart from a few issues, 5.05 is near enough the best it can be. Anything in the later versions was intended to be better support and handling of things as well as some more things on the developer side of things.

Considering there was no update from 2.8x to 2.9x for god knows how long, i think we should just see how things go. Winamp isn't dead since unless i'm wrong it's still works, still plays and still is damn good. Just because there's no one really able to work on it (at the moment) doesn't mean it's dead, it's just sleeping like the beast it is

Cianca: nope, i do this for fun, i couldn't code professionally since it'd kill things for me (too much red tape, etc)

Now quit the moaning, start with the using and if you don't like things, get some plugins to make it how you want it to be, simple enough i think

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Now quit the moaning, start with the using and if you don't like things, get some plugins to make it how you want it to be, simple enough i think
LOL. Look up. Look up, people! Look up at DrO's sig in the above post. All the plugins you want are right there.
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Old 21st September 2004, 13:58   #15
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I know WinAmp is near perfection, that is why I use it, and have been since 1997. But I liked the fact that once a new version came out so often.

Just that I am missing.
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Old 21st September 2004, 17:55   #16
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I know WinAmp is near perfection, that is why I use it, and have been since 1997. But I liked the fact that once a new version came out so often.

Just that I am missing.
Well, I guess they could just put a new version number on on it to make you happy.
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Old 22nd September 2004, 01:52   #17
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They should make it opensource... but that's just my opinion. With AOL behind the wheel it will never happen.
why? if your such a damn good programmer that open souce would allow you to make your own fixes, make your own media player.
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Old 22nd September 2004, 03:02   #18
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If no coders, what about the new wishlist in winamp wishlist section, who can coding or solve their problems... the only person know that have leave nullsoft... or if they doing this outside the nullsoft... any comments...

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Old 22nd September 2004, 06:08   #19
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Did you see the first paragraph in the Wishlist?
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This is the list of the most commonly requested features for the next releases of Winamp 5. These already have been noted and do not need to be continually requested. These requests have already been brought to the attention of the developers.
You could interpret it as this:
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This is the list of the most commonly requested features (for the next releases of Winamp 5). These already have been noted and do not need to be continually requested. These requests have already been brought to the attention of the developers.



Besides that, also plugin makers take a look at the Wishlist once in a while. So I think it definitely serves a purpose.

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Oh, plugin makers most certainly do take a look at the Wishlist once in a while.

Look at what DrO whipped up in just a few hours in response to this request in the Wishlist > separator in Playlist

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Old 22nd September 2004, 11:17   #21
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Besides that, also plugin makers take a look at the Wishlist once in a while. So I think it definitely serves a purpose.
where do you think a lot of mine have come from as well as user suggestions

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Did you see the first paragraph in the Wishlist?

You could interpret it as this:




This is the list of the most commonly requested features (for the next releases of Winamp 5). These already have been noted and do not need to be continually requested. These requests have already been brought to the attention of the developers..
but also see this,

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Updated for Winamp 5.04, but in a current state of temporary suspended animation...

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Yeah, change that quote to "Originally posted by DJ Egg"
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Well, I guess they could just put a new version number on on it to make you happy.
You don't have to get rude with me.

I am just trying to find out what happened, and I mention that I miss the good old days, and then you get sarcastic and agressive on me?

Thank you for that.
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Old 25th October 2004, 21:55   #25
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A new version will always be needed because that's just the way things are.

So, you think Winamp does everything? Maybe now, but there are tons of features within Winamp that could be a little bit better.

Plus, there's competition. No, I'm not talking about iTunes as a media player or WMP, but Musicmatch Jukebox and a couple others - the other guys, whoever they are, aren't gonna stop developing.

Winamp should have a big team of developers working on version 6.0 - I'd pay $30 if they incorporated the 40 best and most useful plug-ins in the program and they started taking things from the Winamp Wishlist and putting it into the program.

To say that Winamp 5.05 is all that's needed and all that we will ever need is just not realistic.
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Fact is that Winamp 5.05 is the best version ever
Another fact: a new version is not likely to come out soon.
Talking about being realistic

Off course there's competition. But Winamp is build in a way to allow more functionality using plugins. That way, there will always be room for expansion and improvement. Asking for incorporation of 40 () plugins is only asking for another bloated media player, imho...

I'm not saying I don't want new coders. I really hope some day development will continue to make Winamp even better. But for now, I'm happy with what's there.

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Why do so many want a new version so badly? 5.05 does everything that people wanted from Winamp and if it doesn't, there are plug-ins available that will solve that problem. It's stable, fast, and (at least as far as we know) does not have security holes. Be happy with what you have! We don't need another version for a long time, and by then I'm sure AOL will have hired new coders.
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Another fact: a new version is not likely to come out soon.
Be careful with what facts you quote.....
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I'm speechless

You do realize this will trigger something?

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Not any more it won't
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http://www.winampunlimited.com/index.php?id=52, second paragraph.
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Not any more it won't
Argh, get lost

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Old 25th October 2004, 22:45   #33
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The real question is if you really want a new version, apart from bugfixes and the iPod and the single GUI skin.

Look at it this way, the old coders are all gone, and are not likely to be back. If Nullsoft gets new coders, they are likely not to have the same commitment to Winamp as the old ones. They will take their marching orders from AOL, and put in Winamp what AOL tells them to, without asking questions.

What you end up getting will be a different product than the current vertsion of Winamp.

So I'll ask again, do you really want a new version? I think I'll stick to what I have.
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i think that's a good point, new coders will more likely be governed by an aolesque attitude. we could be totally wrong but whenever a new dev comes into a project, the dynamics of things will change and with possibly a number of people you can see what will happen.

if a new version comes, then it comes otherwise, rejoice in 5.05 and update it with some nice plugins (winamp isn't designed to suit everyone's needs out of the box but you still can make it be like you want)

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