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View Poll Results: Are you homophobic?
Stongly Homophobic 17 10.69%
Somewhat Homophobic 20 12.58%
Neutral 36 22.64%
Non-Homophobic 67 42.14%
Gay and Quite Happy, Thank You 19 11.95%
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Old 27th July 2002, 23:52   #81
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Um, I couldn't quite follow that. Could you fix up your punctuation and grammar a bit?

23%. As someone who really doesn't find the sight of naked men very disgusting (unless they're all hairy and sweaty), I would've expected higher. But then, that's not exactly a scientifically designed quiz, checked for reliability and validity and all that good stuff.
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Old 28th July 2002, 00:13   #82
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Winsane , I am sorry about punctuation and grammer, in last post, although, I have seen worse here, however the [point] of my post was that in a forum which displays quite a bit of sexisim, it is hard for me to think of some people being sensitive to gay issues..
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Old 28th July 2002, 00:14   #83
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24%. I too, don't consider the results to be all too accurate of anything. Kinda loaded... there was one question that asked if I ever touched a man's package during a sports event, or something similar. I said no. The next two questions were "Did it make you nervous" and "Did it make you fumble?" How am I supposed to answer that, if it never happened?
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Old 28th July 2002, 00:53   #85
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I'm not too fond of such sexism myself (unless it's clearly just a joke, which the poster doesn't really believe in), but I would like to point out that it is quite possible for guys to enjoy photos of scantily clad women without thinking of them as objects or as anything less than men. Heck, I actually tend to respect and think a bit more highly of the average woman than of the average man, and 6 out of the 7 or so best friends I've had over the last several years have been female. But that doesn't stop me from enjoying the sight of individuals of your gender. Us guys (the straight and bi ones, anyway) are instinctively programmed to like seeing women (for some reason, a little bit more than women are programmed to like seeing men--dunno why that is). Of course, certainly not all guys have the same attitude about it, but please don't assume that anyone who posts or looks at such pictures is a chauvinist pig.
Also, feel free to post pictures of more guys in thongs in that particular thread. That might make things a little more fair and even, and more importantly, I love watching the reactions of the guys who were expecting to see another disgustingly proportioned woman.
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That's funny..Yeah,pixie's picture was a combination of horrifying and weirdly facinating(the very large lady)and the jumping penis in pants one was a riot , not a turn-on but FUNNNYYYY
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Old 28th July 2002, 03:37   #87
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Slightly off topic: Here's a question for ya, why the hell is it more acceptable (and/or erotic) for two women to kiss/have sex/etc, but a complete turn-off for either sex (unless gay, of course) in having two guys kiss? I'm prey to this situation as well, I'm just curious as to why we're wired as such.

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Because men are the primary consumers of porn.
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Old 28th July 2002, 06:27   #89
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You are 33% GAY!



That's less gay than average for someone of your gender and supposed orientation. The typical straight guy is 39% gay!

um.... okay... whatever.....
so this means?.....
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funny thing, i was talking about this with a group of fiends today, and the thing was it is more acceptable commercialy to see two girls then two guys. "The media here thinks for most americans". To the forum question, i live in florida, and at the begining it was wierd for me to see gay people since i was brought up in a latin family and went on to military academy, but i have growen acustomed to seeing everything and anything. i repect as long as you don't try to reach me. And im very secure of my sexuality. Live your life I'll live mine!!!!!!!!!
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I just started a job where two of the guys are gay. So some of us got into a discussion and one girl put across some very homophobic views. someone else said "they cant help it" to which she replied "of course they can."

Good news everyone, we can control who we are attracted to. Since finding this out I've decided to fancy fat ugly woman, and I've pulled loads of (in my eyes) really fit girls

I hate homophobia. I hate racism, sexism and every other type of prejudice there is . I hate the way people jump to conclusions about people's personalities and value as a person just because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preferences. It's stupid. If you see a black guy, the only thing you know about him is he has dark skin. You don't know his likes or dislikes, his personality or how moral a person he is - and if you see a white guy, all you know is he has pale skin. Only ever take people at face value at first - don't try and read deeper until you know the person well.

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Old 28th July 2002, 16:04   #92
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apparently i'm 32% gay, which i think has gone up since the last time i took that test

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Old 28th July 2002, 18:12   #93
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I myself am not homophobic. I don't really see any problem with the gay pride parade, but maybe that's because I grew up in the SF Bay Area and I've seen them televised since I was a kid. I'm pretty much used to it. I do know some gay people who would rather not participate and I don't see anything wrong with that either. Whatever suits them.

I'm all for gay rights but I prefer not to demonstrate. I do, however, stick up for my gay friends when they're being harassed for simply being gay.

I don't really know what to make of homophobes. All of whom I've met have been nice people, though. But whenever they start making really negative comments about gays, I usually tell them to think about being disliked/harassed/looked down upon for something as minor as one's sexual orientation. Some think about it and some don't. After a couple of arguments, I've learned to avoid pursuing the topic unless the other person wants to hear what I have say. I hate wasting my breath on a another person who doesn't give a damn.

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Old 28th July 2002, 18:28   #94
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I don't really know what to make of homophobes. All of whom I've met have been nice people, though. But whenever they start making really negative comments about gays, I usually tell them to think about being disliked/harassed/looked down upon for something as minor as one's sexual orientation.
I'm not sticking up for homophobes but people get discriminated against for a lot less than sexual preference. Hell, I used to get called names for wearing glasses, is that fair?
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Like I may have already said, at least two of my mates are gay, and I have no problem with it.


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Yes, unfortunately, people do get teased and persecuted for little things. My point was that people should stop discriminating others for something so stupid (eg. gays). Since this thread is about homosexuality, I just used that to make a point. You can basically squeeze anything into that phrase (...think about being disliked/harassed/looked down upon for something as minor as [____________].)

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Yes, unfortunately, people do get teased and persecuted for little things. My point was that people should stop discriminating others for something so stupid (eg. gays). Since this thread is about homosexuality, I just used that to make a point. You can basically squeeze anything into that phrase (...think about being disliked/harassed/looked down upon for something as minor as [____________].)
Exactly, so it's not a very good reason for attempting to make homophobes "see the light", so to speak. Someone's always going to have a problem with something, that's life. Until it is socially acceptable, homosexuals will always be discriminated against. Until spectacles become universally fashionable, people who wear them will always be discriminated against.
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I'm not sticking up for homophobes but people get discriminated against for a lot less than sexual preference. Hell, I used to get called names for wearing glasses, is that fair?
No its not fair at all. It is a natural thing to prejudge people, i do it and im sure that you all have some prejudices too. However my preconseptions are of a person, I will make sure i know them before automatically having negative feelings toward them.

Another big influence on a childs thinking is his / her parents. If a family holds a certain view, "gays are evil", for example, then it is likely that the child is going to hold the same views.

However, many individuals when they reach a certain age question the train of thought that their parents may be on.

I can relate to this because I know for a fact that my dad holds a very prejudiced opinion about a certain group. I thought not much of it a few years ago but no i realise that his opinion is wrong and bad and I tell him that.
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Old 29th July 2002, 01:31   #99
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Wow. I'm glad to see all the responses this poll has gotten (positive and negative). I think this is the longest-lasting thread I've ever started.

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Old 29th July 2002, 02:41   #100
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Hmmmm. I'm not sure how I missed this. Must be my age creeping up on me.

For the record, I am 100% not homophobic. I really don't care about a person's sex life except for my mate and mine's. I've also been around long enough to know that almost all of us have or will go through a period of either experimenting with or simply being curious about other lifestyles. That's part of the process of maturing.

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Exactly, so it's not a very good reason for attempting to make homophobes "see the light", so to speak. Someone's always going to have a problem with something, that's life. Until it is socially acceptable, homosexuals will always be discriminated against. Until spectacles become universally fashionable, people who wear them will always be discriminated against.
I know what you mean, I just try to get them to see it from another person's POV. If they don't listen, I can't do anything else about it so I don't pursue it after that. It never changes a person, but it usually gets them to shut up, especially when one of my gay friends is around.

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I think this is the longest-lasting thread I've ever started.
Where have you been all this time?? Have you not seen the "What would you do if" thread?

Randman,

sscw46, You seem very open mided and thats good. It's always good to see other peoples points of view and always try to do so. It's where you get to a point where the other person will ONLY see one side of an argument where you shouldn't bother persuing the conversation.
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It's where you get to a point where the other person will ONLY see one side of an argument where you shouldn't bother persuing the conversation.
Yeah, after an argument with one particular girl, I just gave up. There's no point if the other person won't listen.

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I don't consider myself homophobic, and I have no problem with homosexuals, as long as they don't try to force their lifestyle on me.
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I only occasionally find myself attracted to someone of my sex, but it bothers me that people don't understand homosexuality and condemn it. Consider that the people setting guidelines for Catholics (I grew up catholic) are celibate for instance...
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Yeah man, I know what you mean. I don't see why people should be afraid of admitting their sexuality just because some small mided people mock homosexuals cos they dont know how to react.

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I'm somewhat homophobic. I'm fine with homosexual people as long as they don't rub it in people's faces. Then the homophobia kicks in. :P
I didn't have alot of compassion to gay people until I found out my uncle was gay. Then things started to change. I understood that my uncle was born gay, and that he didn't have a choice: he could either be gay or live a lie. I also realized that you cannot help who you love. One day he had a picture of him and his "husband" on his desk, went to the bathroom, came back to his desk, and it was smashed. The person left a note telling him not to rub it in people's faces. Well, any straight person who is married probably has a picture of their spouse on their desk. Are they rubbing it in my uncle's face? I am not trying to insult you, just trying to get you to look at an alternate view. Feel free to e-mail me if you want to discuss this further.

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Well, I'm living in San Francisco right now with my uncle, and the city is working against the spread of HIV. I'm right near the Castro street, and the first thing I noticed when I walked into a shop was condoms on the counter. There were also leaflets explaining how HIV was transmitted, and how to fight against getting the disease. As I shopped on, I realized that they were in almost every store: either community FREE condoms, or the leaflets or both. So, I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, but from my experience, I have found that your source might not be accurate.

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Old 30th July 2002, 06:04   #108
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so no one should judge on no matter what choices people make in life? i'm not into hating, but several things can really irk me. like the movements forcing acceptance with lawsuits pending.

hell... i'm not saying i'm an angel either but still.
should we follow the ricky martin philosophy that if someone wants to have sex with dogs, you MUST ACCEPT IT or you are a horrible person? that's his basic response when he's asked if he's gay.
if everyone did everything that made them happy, then i'd be dead twice. someone would have had me lynched by now.

i just will not accept certain behavior that people chose. they are Not Born that way. even if they say so, that's admitting an abnormality.... no one wants that.

sidenote: they say everyone's a little gay, so can gays admit being a little straight? c'mon, you must acknowledge that the thong thread got some sinful thinking.
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i just will not accept certain behavior that people chose. they are Not Born that way. even if they say so, that's admitting an abnormality.... no one wants that.
I'm not sure if people are born that way. Would you say that you are born straight, or it was just chance that made you that way? That's always irked me, but I always knew that 95+ % of the time it's not their choice.

I've sometimes compared homosexuality to races. Most people don't choose the color of their skin (now is so not the time for Michael Jackson...), just like most people don't choose their sexual orientation. It's just something that happens, and it has nothing to do with their personality. Yet, some people don't see that. Being homophobic is kinda like being racist.

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I agree with that. Sexual feelings are normal human nature, gender is simple a complication upon that nature. I mean, think about what happens in prison. Sexual feelings occur, yet where is the opposite sex? If men, or women, were either 100% straight (or 100% gay), I don't think that prison sex would be nearly as common as it is today.

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I think girls are just completely different than guys on the subject. Some of the guys I know physically recoil when people make jokes about gay porn and stuff. Girls don't seem to care. They have a more open attitude towards homosexuals I guess. But I know of a couple of studies that [B]strongly[B] suggest that people are born gay or straight. One was done at MIT, and they did CAT scans on 100 gays and 100 lesbians. Their findings: Lesbians had a larger brain stem than women have-the size of a man's, and gays had smaller brain stems- the soze of a woman's.

The second was done by mail, and I honestly don't remember who did this experiment, but it was done on pheramones. They sent people two fragrances, A and B, and asked them which they liked better. They also asked their sex and sexual preference. The lesbians liked scent A, the straight women B, gay men B, and straight men A. What was the smell? Scent A was women sweat, and Scent B was men's sweat. That sort of thing isn't determined by looks, shape, or size. It's pretty subconcious.

I still am not trying to bash anyone, so I hope I didn't offend. If I did, I'm sorry.

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I didn't have alot of compassion to gay people until I found out my uncle was gay. Then things started to change. I understood that my uncle was born gay, and that he didn't have a choice: he could either be gay or live a lie. I also realized that you cannot help who you love. One day he had a picture of him and his "husband" on his desk, went to the bathroom, came back to his desk, and it was smashed. The person left a note telling him not to rub it in people's faces. Well, any straight person who is married probably has a picture of their spouse on their desk. Are they rubbing it in my uncle's face? I am not trying to insult you, just trying to get you to look at an alternate view. Feel free to e-mail me if you want to discuss this further.
That's not rubbing it in people's faces. Rubbing it in people's faces is having parades about your sexuality, or hitting on straight people, for example.
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[B]I think girls are just completely different than guys on the subject. Some of the guys I know physically recoil when people make jokes about gay porn and stuff. Girls don't seem to care. They have a more open attitude towards homosexuals I guess. But I know of a couple of studies that [B]strongly suggest that people are born gay or straight. One was done at MIT, and they did CAT scans on 100 gays and 100 lesbians. Their findings: Lesbians had a larger brain stem than women have-the size of a man's, and gays had smaller brain stems- the soze of a woman's.

The second was done by mail, and I honestly don't remember who did this experiment, but it was done on pheramones. They sent people two fragrances, A and B, and asked them which they liked better. They also asked their sex and sexual preference. The lesbians liked scent A, the straight women B, gay men B, and straight men A. What was the smell? Scent A was women sweat, and Scent B was men's sweat. That sort of thing isn't determined by looks, shape, or size. It's pretty subconcious.

I still am not trying to bash anyone, so I hope I didn't offend. If I did, I'm sorry.
I remember those studies from my human sexuality class in college. They pretty much support the Kinsey studies, which also said homosexuality was an inherited trait.

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Aeroe, I suppose that you are a racist too?

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i just will not accept certain behavior that people chose. they are Not Born that way. even if they say so, that's admitting an abnormality.... no one wants that.
So a blind person reading braile, thats "abnormal" to normal (whatever the hell that is) humans then? So you are saying that abnormal people should be treated like the scurge of society??

I THINK NOT!! Just as you cannot help being born blind, some people are simply born gay.

Baafie, when you talk about gay people and gay parades, i cant help but think to assume that you believe that all gay people do parades. It's a minority of gays that do so and the ones that do it should be riddiculed as it a pathetic and pointless thing to do.
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So a blind person reading braile, thats "abnormal" to normal (whatever the hell that is) humans then? So you are saying that abnormal people should be treated like the scurge of society??
Inatlantis, the impression I keep getting is that you are hypocritical in your approach. You preach open-mindedness so much, yet you seem so assured of your beliefs that you perceive anyone who disagrees with you as some kind of heinous monster who must be reformed. You have some kind of a preconceived mold of evil into which dissenters fit. I suggest you look at yourself before you tell others to open their minds.

In other words, I'm having a hard time distinguishing you from a self-righteous crusader.
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Thats the thing you see. I saw Aeroe's post as making out gays as if they were monsters and the scurge of society. I dont have a problem with people thinking that gays aren't acceptable to themselves, i challenge people however who seem to feel that gays are bad people because of their practices.

[edit] the poll says 6 people are gay, i know 3 of them, who are the last 3?? [/edit]

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Old 30th July 2002, 13:57   #116
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Well according to thespark.com I am 41% gay
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You people who think everybody who's gay chooses to be that way are wrong. Why would so many people purposely become part of a group of people who are so looked down on by so many other people? Everybody's different. When you're gay, you don't wake up one day and think "I'm going to be gay today", you might have always known you're that way, or you might wonder about it, or realize it later in life, but controlling the gender you're attracted to isn't one of those really simple things.

I'm 62% gay, according to thespark's test.
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Old 30th July 2002, 14:59   #119
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[edit] the poll says 6 people are gay, i know 3 of them, who are the last 3?? [/edit]
I was wondering the same thing. I know 3, and I think I know who the 4th is, but I don't know 5 & 6.
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Old 30th July 2002, 15:00   #120
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i'm number 6. I'm bi. The best of both worlds. lol.
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