Old 9th July 2002, 18:16   #1
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ID3 or no?

Lately I've been runing ID3kill after every file I download since ID3 does nothing but mess me up. I have a folder/naming system that does fine for me.

So what do most people use? I generally see them as a nusiance but whats the general concensus?

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Old 9th July 2002, 18:21   #2
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I do use ID3 tags, as a lot of the mp3's i have are ripped from cd's i own, but as im moving to ogg for ripping im using them less and less. When i download i change them manually if theyre wrong. But i agree, that ID3 can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
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I use them in the files I encode. Tags in downloaded mp3s are generally useless, I find.

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I download all mp3s into a "new music" folder. Then, now and again when I have the time, I go through the files, tag them (artist, song title, album, year and genre) and sort them into folders.

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Old 9th July 2002, 19:34   #6
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I generally find them annoying, so I don't use them. All I need to know is Artist - Track Title.
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Old 9th July 2002, 19:43   #7
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I used to be an avid lover of ID3 until I came to realize all of the downsides to ALL ID3 versions, but mainly ID3 2.
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Old 9th July 2002, 20:54   #8
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I use it all the time, but now that I think about it, my organized storage system is good enough. I have Artist, then the Album with year in parenthesis and the song goes in there, along with the album's music videos if there are any that I have downloaded. I use ID3 because it is easier to manage. If I want all the files in a folder to be one artist, I can do that easily with an ID3 editor program. But it is hard to manage the names and things with just the filename.

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Old 9th July 2002, 20:59   #9
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my file has the track name
the folder it is in has the album name and is nested in
another folder with the artist name

so without id3 tags i could get quite confused if something
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Old 9th July 2002, 21:07   #10
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my file has the track name
the folder it is in has the album name and is nested in
another folder with the artist name
That's a very good idea...

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Quote:
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my file has the track name
the folder it is in has the album name and is nested in
another folder with the artist name
My layout is the exact same. This is the default way in which rippers such as CDex save tracks...

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Old 9th July 2002, 21:18   #12
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Damn, I use EAC

It never even occurred to me. I thought I was being clever ripping each album to its own folder automatically. But then, no-one ever accused me of being the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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Old 9th July 2002, 21:22   #13
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and to elaborate further
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Old 9th July 2002, 21:46   #14
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Hmm... I always use them as I am a very neat and organsied person on my pc. Ever new word of a file starts with a captital and ALL the names of files even the ID3 tags must be easily recognisable for me.

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Old 9th July 2002, 22:59   #15
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Old 9th July 2002, 23:19   #16
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Hmm... I always use them as I am a very neat and organsied person on my pc. Ever new word of a file starts with a captital and ALL the names of files even the ID3 tags must be easily recognisable for me.

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Same here.

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Old 9th July 2002, 23:23   #17
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Here's how I do without ID3:

code:
mp3\Albums\C\Cake\Fashion Nugget\Cake - Fashion Nugget (02) - The Distance


for example. Yes, I do this for every album I download and all my singles are like this:

code:
mp3\Singles\D\Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger


I always put it in that format with correct capitalization, spacing, and spelling. For every sing I download. What can I say, I'm obsessive-compulsive

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Old 10th July 2002, 09:25   #18
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Here's how I do without ID3:

code:
mp3\Albums\C\Cake\Fashion Nugget\Cake - Fashion Nugget (02) - The Distance


for example. Yes, I do this for every album I download and all my singles are like this:

code:
mp3\Singles\D\Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger


I always put it in that format with correct capitalization, spacing, and spelling. For every sing I download. What can I say, I'm obsessive-compulsive
now imagine converting an existing, unorganized libarary, to that system. ouch.

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Old 10th July 2002, 09:30   #19
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So, you guys store everything in the filename? Be careful doing that if you want to burn them onto a CD (as MP3s). Data CDs have a limit to the number of characters in the filename.

I use tags. (generally ID3v1.1, but I'll be switching to v2.4 when my new tagger is finished.)

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Old 10th July 2002, 10:06   #20
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i name my MP3's the folowing way:

Artist/Album - Artist/Artist - [##] - Track Name.mp3

if i dont have the full album, then it's:

Artist/Artist - Track Name.mp3

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Old 10th July 2002, 11:20   #21
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i have 4 music folders
Albums - Full Albums
Songs - Songs that i've downloaded off the net
Oriental - Arabic/Turkish/Syriac/Assyrian Songs
Misc - Misc Soundfiles

and when it's albums i rename the file to this
Artist - Album/## - Artist - Song.mp3

Ordinary Song & Oriental Songs
Artist - Song.mp3

and i always use the id3 tag, before i tagged albums manually but now i use ID3 Tag-It

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Old 10th July 2002, 11:24   #22
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Quote:
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my file has the track name
the folder it is in has the album name and is nested in
another folder with the artist name
that's what i do, but i am on dialup so i don't download that many albums, so the songs that i do download i manually fix the id3 myself. I don't convert mp3 to ogg, i'd just lose quality.
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Old 10th July 2002, 13:45   #23
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i use ID3, but never ID3 2 . . . i fill out the genre only if it's jazz, i try to have to date, album, and track number
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i use ID3v1 normally, ID3v2 if the song name's too long, and the rest of the time, i use ogg vorbis...

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i use WMA to rip with id3 tags AND the directory/file naming systems, so nothing can go wrong

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I ignore the ID3 tags and rename the file name into the order of Artist-Title.
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Old 10th July 2002, 22:12   #27
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APE 2.0 tags for mpc.

If I do use mp3, I use id3v1.1
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Old 10th July 2002, 22:54   #28
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id3v1 has limitations in the number of characters so it is pretty much useless for long titles hence the new improved v2

also doesnt winamp require an id3 tag for its playlister?
i removed tags and got a blank entry(when dropped on playlist,filename flashed for a sec and disappeared)
can winamp go by on just a filename?

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also doesnt winamp require an id3 tag for its playlister?
i removed tags and got a blank entry(when dropped on playlist,filename flashed for a sec and disappeared)
can winamp go by on just a filename?
The playlist only uses tags it can find. If it can't find a tag in the file it just uses the filename. In my case I ave the id3 option turned off in in_mp3.dll so there's no way a tag will slide by me.
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"id3 option turned off in in_mp3.dll"

did not know that!

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Quote:
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id3v1 has limitations in the number of characters so it is pretty much useless for long titles hence the new improved v2
v2 is actually way overkill. They made this big convoluted standard with way to many standard frames.

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Old 11th July 2002, 15:07   #32
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Here's how I do it...

Quote:
/Albums/Artist/Album/Incubus - 13 - Aqueous Transmission
Or...

Quote:
/Singles/Incubus - Aqueous Transmission
No need for ID3 tags =)

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Old 11th July 2002, 15:36   #33
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The playlist only uses tags it can find. If it can't find a tag in the file it just uses the filename. In my case I ave the id3 option turned off in in_mp3.dll so there's no way a tag will slide by me.
Eh...mind teaching the übernoob how to do that?

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Old 11th July 2002, 16:32   #34
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I name all my tracks "Artist - Track Title." I use ID3TagIt to remove any ID3 tags and then change them to only having the the same info (ie. Artist and title) in the ID3 v2. Keeps all my stuff consistant. ID3TagIt has a great feature that allows you to customize and import the track name to the ID3 tag. You can even do all your .mp3s at once.
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Eh...mind teaching the übernoob how to do that?

Sure...
Ctrl+P > Plugins > Input > Nullsoft MPEG Audio decoder > "Title" tab > Uncheck "Use ID3v1/v2 tags"

Thats the first thing I do whenever I download a new version

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Sure...
Ctrl+P > Plugins > Input > Nullsoft MPEG Audio decoder > "Title" tab > Uncheck "Use ID3v1/v2 tags"
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Thank you very much

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Mine all go in the format:

F:\Audio\Nirvana\Unplugged in New York\10 - Nirvana - Unplugged in New York - Plateau.ogg

But for stuff I d/l I usually just do F:\Audio\Artist\[Album\]Artist - Trackname or F:\Audio\Various\Artist - Trackname.

I do use ID3v2 tags most of the time and convert the ones I d/l to it. I'm not a fan of downloading music unless you can get a proper album at a good quality guarenteed - FTP sites etc. I always rip to ogg vorbis.

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i might consider adding track #
with just a filename its never in its intended order
some albums might make more sense that way(concept.. blah blah)

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Tracknumber is the most essential thing in the filename if you've got a whole album on mp3.

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That name is over 30 characters. If you back that up on a CD, the name will get truncated. Longer filenames would get truncatd even more severely.

That is why I use ID3. (among other reasons)

For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned.

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