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Old 26th April 2007, 09:21   #1
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Alcohol, Tobacco More Dangerous Than Marijuana

(AP) LONDON, England New "landmark" research finds that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than some illegal drugs like marijuana or Ecstasy and should be classified as such in legal systems, according to a new British study.

In research published Friday in The Lancet magazine, Professor David Nutt of Britain's Bristol University and colleagues proposed a new framework for the classification of harmful substances, based on the actual risks posed to society. Their ranking listed alcohol and tobacco among the top 10 most dangerous substances.

Nutt and colleagues used three factors to determine the harm associated with any drug: the physical harm to the user, the drug's potential for addiction and the impact on society of drug use. The researchers asked two groups of experts � psychiatrists specializing in addiction and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise � to assign scores to 20 different drugs, including heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy, amphetamines and LSD.

Nutt and his colleagues then calculated the drugs' overall rankings. In the end, the experts agreed with each other � but not with the existing British classification of dangerous substances.

Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.

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Old 26th April 2007, 15:49   #2
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Nothing new there then, the 'Drugs' issue has always been political, trading on false perceptions and general ignorance. Anyone with any experience recognizes this and would give roughly the same rankings.

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Old 26th April 2007, 15:56   #3
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I would rank meth the most dangerous as it's the easiest to get, anywhere/anytime.


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Old 26th April 2007, 17:21   #4
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I wonder why they ranked Ecstasy that low though (and whether they included popular psycho drugs like Ritalin).
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Old 26th April 2007, 19:02   #5
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I knew alcohol and tobacco were more dangerous than marijuana Thats old news but Ecstasy? Come on. Can't that shit kill you the first time?
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Old 26th April 2007, 19:15   #6
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Ecstasy deaths are relatively rare

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifest...cstasy10.shtml

<snip> Deaths attributed to Ecstasy overdose are rare, but use of the synthetic drug is rising dramatically, particularly among teenagers and young adults. It also has become a growing law enforcement and public health problem.</snip>

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Old 26th April 2007, 19:26   #7
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I thought this was pretty old news. The Conservatives were mentioning this kind of drug re-classification a few months back if iirc.
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Old 26th April 2007, 20:26   #8
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The Montana Meth project.

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Old 26th April 2007, 20:57   #9
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Then what drug am I thinking of that could kill you the first time? Meth? Unless the source I got this information from is wrong or I just got it mixed up.
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Old 26th April 2007, 21:10   #10
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Ecstasy can, if you're vulnerable, but so can any stimulant (or anything else that raises your blood pressure).
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Old 26th April 2007, 21:53   #11
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Ecstasy deaths are relatively rare
Which must be the reason why Larry King so heavily promotes the stuff:

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Old 27th April 2007, 00:38   #12
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Then what drug am I thinking of that could kill you the first time? Meth? Unless the source I got this information from is wrong or I just got it mixed up.
Often what kills people are the diluents cut into drugs, either because they're system is accustomed to weaker cuts with more diluent and they OD, or because the source gets cut with something toxic by someone who doesn't know what they're doing.


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Old 27th April 2007, 14:11   #13
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Then what drug am I thinking of that could kill you the first time? Meth? Unless the source I got this information from is wrong or I just got it mixed up.
It's very easy to die from dehydration or overhydration when on ecstacy. This is often because users will dance a lot and not realise they are thirsty (the urge to drink is suppressed by the drug). Apparently more common is that people realise this and drink to moderate it, but they drink too much (because, again, they can't tell if they're thirsty) and die from lack of salt in the body. The drug itself is surprisingly safe.

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The problem in the US isn't marijuana use nor is it drinking. Neither are really that good but neither are that bad either.

But look at the heavy use of prescription drugs. The amount of people legally doped up goes up year after year and it's likely almost everyone out there knows a large amount of people on Vicodin, valium and the usualy slew of drugs doctors hand out on a regular basis.

The danger is people think that just because a doctor gave it to them there is no danger of addiction or other issues. Drop a few pills and you're good to go.

Sit in a restaurant and consider this - if someone sparks up a joint everyone will freak and you'll likely be arrested. But pull out a pill bottle and take five Vicodin and no one even bats an eye. You can sit there and get high without any problems.

That's a problem.

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Old 25th May 2007, 16:54   #15
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pull out a pill bottle and take five Vicodin and no one even bats an eye.
Unless you happen to admit it in public like Rush Limbaugh.
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Old 30th July 2008, 15:11   #16
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Should I understand now that marijuana is not actually that dangerous? Well I find it hard to believe because I know for a fact that marijuana causes brain damage and addiction. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana or any other drug are dangerous by their nature, the only thing that makes them different is the circumstance.
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Old 30th July 2008, 15:31   #17
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I am familiar with all of these drugs because they are very common, this is the real danger, they are easy to get.
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Old 30th July 2008, 16:36   #18
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when is the last time you heard about someone od'ing on pot?
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Old 30th July 2008, 23:53   #19
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its not od'ing jay its the long term effects on mental
health.Here in europe pot/weed is so strong that it can
lead to psychosis if used regular.
This is why i gave up after 15 years it almost ruined my life! Im fine now though i only wear a tin foil hat twice a
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Old 8th August 2008, 11:01   #20
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I know for a fact that marijuana causes brain damage and addiction.
did you even think before posting?

any evidence please.


many of the best musicians, painters, doctors, engineers, actors, directors, waiters, chefs, bar tenders....... are stoners.
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Many of the best musicians were junkies too, so that's not really an argument.

Though I've never seen any evidence that pot causes brain damage either.
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[B]pot/weed is so strong that it can
lead to psychosis if used regular.
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The Montana Meth project.

http://www.montanameth.org/View_Ads/index.php
And welcome to the junkie den. Damn.
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Here in europe pot/weed is so strong that it can
lead to psychosis if used regular.
That i know,but that's why you mustn't abuse the thing.I had a hard period in my life where i was a fucking junkie,i bought the worst kind of pot there is in this city(santiago,chile).It was a weird mix of pot and all sorts of glue and shit like that.After 2 years i was diagnosed with a slight paranoia,i stopped smoking that stuff inmediatly and the paranoia was cured with some other drugs(funny),the legal ones.

Now i smoke only pure Marijuana,and not everyday.
I guess that every drug can really fuck things up if you don't know how to handle it's use,i mean,i drink occasionaly,but i'm no alcoholic,same thing for pot.
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Yes, Heroin and cocaine is really the dangerous one .The people should try to stop taking this type of addicted things that may live more happily then they feel. The addicted people were thinking that drugs may give the relaxation mind.
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Old 29th August 2008, 21:58   #27
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The only way Marijuana can really harm you is if you smoke it too much. That can lead to lung cancer and other diseases caused by smoke. I read somewhere that there are more alcohol related crimes (such as fights) than marijuana.
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Old 29th August 2008, 22:27   #28
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Drugs Are Bad...
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Edit > wanted to add even though no study ive ever seen
has confirmed it,recently with the increase of highly
potent cannabis use,teen crime has risen in my city anyway.
again this goes back to my pyschosis post.

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When research is done there are several points to be taken into consideration and to control for several variables. The conclusions arrived by the authors seems to be very alarming but at the same time they have to be taken with caution. First, tobacco and alcohol are both drugs and like any oter drug are known to cause danger. But they are widely available and people can get them easily vs ilegal drugs which makes them more popular and with more use. Second, Since they are more widley use if you study them you will find that they are more dangerous. For example, lets study if using marijuana cause more traffic accidents than alcohol. Guess who is going to come firs, Alcohol. It is more use and abuse than marijuana because it is more accessible to people and is not ilegal. So, we have to be very careful on every research done and to be sure to compare things in perspective.
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Edit > wanted to add even though no study ive ever seen
has confirmed it,recently with the increase of highly
potent cannabis use,teen crime has risen in my city anyway.
again this goes back to my pyschosis post.
First of all, correlation does not imply causation. Even if the rise in teem crime is linked to marijuana, I'd be willing to be that it has more to do with the fact that it is illegal and it is distributed through a black market.

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First of all, correlation does not imply causation. Even if the rise in teem crime is linked to marijuana, I'd be willing to be that it has more to do with the fact that it is illegal and it is distributed through a black market.
It has always been illegal here,and therefore distributed
through the black market.
So what other condition has changed apart from potency ?

Of course i would be silly to ignore other social factors
such as media influence and the rapid spread of technology
and the effects these have on young peoples lifestyle and behaviour.

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Well, I'd imagine with a increase in demand for pot, the supply lines would have to grow thicker and thus lead to more crime.

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I think when people discuss which drugs are worse than others, they are talking in a very general sense and fair enough some drugs may be worse than others overall, but I don’t think people should forget that different drugs can effect different people, in different ways. For example in the case of marijuana there may be some individuals, who it effects their mental health worse than others. So when we talk about which drugs are worse it can to a certain extent depend on the individual.
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Yes i think alcohol and cigarettes are more dangerous than marijuana but yet they are legal
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We all gotta stick to our vices. It's pretty much all we have left.

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Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana, Meth - more dangerous or less! Are we not taking one of these lightly when we compare each of them to see what is more dangerous? ANY of this is not good! It is really important to spread the message among youth to ensure they are well informed about the ill-effects to themselves as well as their loved ones.
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No matter what the substance is being used one has to ask oneself 'do i need this or do i want this?' If one is honest and the answer is 'i need it' then you have an issue my friend and a change needs to happen for your sake and all your friends and families sakes. If the answer is 'i want it' then crack on and enjoy yourself.

As for marijuana....after 25 years I can comfortably say its not harmful, is not physically addictive, can cause some issues with misuse such as lethargy, apathy & avoidance but users and misusers alike experience very little of the chaotic and unmanageable behaviour associated with the harder recreational drugs.

The only true way to understand marijuana is to live in a country/state that allows users to plant cannabis seeds - grow their own marijuana and find out for themselves!
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