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two thousand and four 11 21.57%
two thousand four 32 62.75%
twenty oh four 2 3.92%
other 6 11.76%
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Old 9th July 2004, 18:32   #41
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wondering how the french say it...

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Old 9th July 2004, 18:37   #42
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So, you say:
2000.04 = "two thousand and four hundredths
2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths
2004 = "two thousand and four

Isn't that the logical conclusion of the pattern?
No. Notice how there's no decimal, hence no "and".


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Old 9th July 2004, 18:43   #43
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No! That would be "Nineteen hundred and ninety".
Remember, people did say "Nineteen hundred and one", for example.

My first post in this thread states a scheme which is backwards compatable with how we say the last 2 thousand years, incorporating "Nineteen Ninety" as correct.
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no, the "." is said "And".

$23.50 = "Twenty three dollars and fifty cents."

100.002 = "One hundred and 2 thousandths"

2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths."

2004 = "Two thousand four"
When discussing years conversationally, I wouldn't assume 'and' implies a decimal value. The context implies whatever is after 'and' is not a fraction of a year.

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Old 9th July 2004, 18:46   #44
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When discussing years conversationally, I wouldn't assume 'and' implies a decimal value. The context implies whatever is after 'and' is not a fraction of a year.
Then they arent saying it correctly.
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Old 9th July 2004, 18:49   #45
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So if I say to you, "Two Thousand and Five," you're going to think about June of 2000, or next year?

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Old 9th July 2004, 18:49   #46
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No! That would be "Nineteen hundred and ninety".
So I forgot one word; shoot me.

Why is how we say 2004 important anyway?
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Old 9th July 2004, 18:52   #47
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Bottom of the page...

http://esl.about.com/library/beginne...htm?once=true&

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In British English use "and" when saying numbers in the hundreds. Example: seven hundred AND twenty seven.In American English do NOT use "and" when saying numbers in the hundreds. Example: seven hundred twenty seven.

...looks like we were both right.

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So if I say to you, "Two Thousand and Five," you're going to think about June of 2000, or next year?
No. I would ASSUME you were talking about 2005.
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Old 9th July 2004, 18:53   #48
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Why is how we say 2004 important anyway?
that's not the deal
this is discussed because it's DECIDED it's important
does not matter wether it really is

ok, maybe there should be different polls
one for usa and one for uk (and one for the rest...)
it's not a matter of what's 'wrong' , it's a matter of how it's said...

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wow, squakmix posted the same...

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This just shows one more efficiency of American English.

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I think the English language as a whole is one of the richest. Spanish sounds good and I prefer to speak it colloquially, but it's so much duller to read. Adjectives in English tend to be much more onomatopoeic or somehow related to the meaning of the word and there are often synonyms with subtle differences between them that you do not find in Spanish.

Personally I dislike the modifications made to the original English language in the making of American English, particularly how the U has been removed from words like "favourite", "colour" and "neighbour." However, the way some people speak in the UK is a far worse desecration of English.
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2005









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10191, a good year for Paul Atreides.
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Quote:
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So, you say:
2000.04 = "two thousand and four hundredths
2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths
2004 = "two thousand and four

Isn't that the logical conclusion of the pattern?
so how would you say 2004.4?

two thousand and four and four tenths? Just doesn't make sense.

As has been said, the decimal denotes the verbal "and"
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Old 3rd February 2005, 13:06   #56
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In dutch we say "2000 komma 4" for 2000,4 (equivalent of 2000.4). I guess in English it'd be "2000 point 4"?
When you say 'two thousand and four tenths', you're actually saying 2000 4/10, I'd say... Then 'and' is something different. Fractions aren't comparable to integers...

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Old 3rd February 2005, 13:12   #57
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I'd say two thousand and four point four, and I think the rest of England is probably with me on that one.

As has been said, just because that's the way you speak it in your nasty little country doesn't mean that the rest of the world is the same.

I'm fairly sure our usage of the word "and" came first...

I blame Webster.

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Old 3rd February 2005, 20:50   #58
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Old 3rd February 2005, 21:25   #59
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so how would you say 2004.4?
i'd say it "two-thousand four point four".

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Old 3rd February 2005, 23:29   #60
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I'd say it "one one one one one zero one zero one zero zero".

(Well, now it would be "one one one one one zero one zero one zero one".)

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Old 4th February 2005, 00:01   #61
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If I say eg. "one thousand and twelve", I mean 1012 not 1000.12. That would be "one thousand point one two" or "one thousand point twelve" or "one thousand and twelve hundredths." How else could you say it? Surely "two thousand and four" implies the same thing.

The "." is NOT said "and" (at least for us real english speaking people ). "And" is always adding the whole number stated, be it four or four tenths or whatever.

The ONLY reason you say "two dollars AND forty cents" is because it's forty CENTS not forty DOLLARS still. A cent is one hundredth of a dollar. It's the same thing as saying "two dollars and forty hundredths."

Also following the tradition of "nineteen oh four" and "nineteen ninety-seven" etc it should really be "twenty oh four" but I actually say it like Will does. It'll be "twenty... " only from 2020.

Although some people would say "nineteen hundred and one" and that fits the "two thousand and four" way.
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