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 View Poll Results: How do you pronounce the year two thousand and four 11 21.57% two thousand four 32 62.75% twenty oh four 2 3.92% other 6 11.76% Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

 9th July 2004, 18:32 #41 siebe83 Forum King     Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,223 wondering how the french say it... Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.
9th July 2004, 18:37   #42
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 Originally posted by will So, you say: 2000.04 = "two thousand and four hundredths 2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths 2004 = "two thousand and four Isn't that the logical conclusion of the pattern?
No. Notice how there's no decimal, hence no "and".

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9th July 2004, 18:43   #43
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 Originally posted by will No! That would be "Nineteen hundred and ninety". Remember, people did say "Nineteen hundred and one", for example. My first post in this thread states a scheme which is backwards compatable with how we say the last 2 thousand years, incorporating "Nineteen Ninety" as correct.
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 Originally posted by squakMix no, the "." is said "And". \$23.50 = "Twenty three dollars and fifty cents." 100.002 = "One hundred and 2 thousandths" 2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths." 2004 = "Two thousand four"
When discussing years conversationally, I wouldn't assume 'and' implies a decimal value. The context implies whatever is after 'and' is not a fraction of a year.

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9th July 2004, 18:46   #44
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 Originally posted by Gonzotek When discussing years conversationally, I wouldn't assume 'and' implies a decimal value. The context implies whatever is after 'and' is not a fraction of a year.
Then they arent saying it correctly.

 9th July 2004, 18:49 #45 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 So if I say to you, "Two Thousand and Five," you're going to think about June of 2000, or next year? I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
9th July 2004, 18:49   #46
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 Originally posted by will No! That would be "Nineteen hundred and ninety".
So I forgot one word; shoot me.

Why is how we say 2004 important anyway?

9th July 2004, 18:52   #47
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 In British English use "and" when saying numbers in the hundreds. Example: seven hundred AND twenty seven.In American English do NOT use "and" when saying numbers in the hundreds. Example: seven hundred twenty seven.

...looks like we were both right.

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 Originally posted by Gonzotek So if I say to you, "Two Thousand and Five," you're going to think about June of 2000, or next year?
No. I would ASSUME you were talking about 2005.

9th July 2004, 18:53   #48
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 Originally posted by JRSellers Why is how we say 2004 important anyway?
that's not the deal
this is discussed because it's DECIDED it's important
does not matter wether it really is

ok, maybe there should be different polls
one for usa and one for uk (and one for the rest...)
it's not a matter of what's 'wrong' , it's a matter of how it's said...

wow, squakmix posted the same...

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 9th July 2004, 19:51 #49 CaboWaboAddict Forum Sot(Major Dude)     Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Marietta, Ga. U.S.A. Posts: 3,916 The Chinese just named this the year of the asshole! Idiot's Advocate My site (under construction)
 9th July 2004, 19:53 #50 xzxzzx Forum King     Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,254 This just shows one more efficiency of American English. Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<\$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R \${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life.
 13th July 2004, 13:31 #51 Wolfgang Forum King   Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,069 I think the English language as a whole is one of the richest. Spanish sounds good and I prefer to speak it colloquially, but it's so much duller to read. Adjectives in English tend to be much more onomatopoeic or somehow related to the meaning of the word and there are often synonyms with subtle differences between them that you do not find in Spanish. Personally I dislike the modifications made to the original English language in the making of American English, particularly how the U has been removed from words like "favourite", "colour" and "neighbour." However, the way some people speak in the UK is a far worse desecration of English.
 2nd February 2005, 23:18 #52 siebe83 Forum King     Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,223 2005 (sorry, had to do it, I realise it's not funny and you may kick me now) Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.
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 Originally posted by will So, you say: 2000.04 = "two thousand and four hundredths 2000.4 = "two thousand and four tenths 2004 = "two thousand and four Isn't that the logical conclusion of the pattern?
so how would you say 2004.4?

two thousand and four and four tenths? Just doesn't make sense.

As has been said, the decimal denotes the verbal "and"

 3rd February 2005, 13:06 #56 siebe83 Forum King     Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,223 In dutch we say "2000 komma 4" for 2000,4 (equivalent of 2000.4). I guess in English it'd be "2000 point 4"? When you say 'two thousand and four tenths', you're actually saying 2000 4/10, I'd say... Then 'and' is something different. Fractions aren't comparable to integers... Good Winamp plugins by Joonas, DrO and shaneh. If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.
 3rd February 2005, 13:12 #57 Russ Mostly Harmless(Alumni)   Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319 I'd say two thousand and four point four, and I think the rest of England is probably with me on that one. As has been said, just because that's the way you speak it in your nasty little country doesn't mean that the rest of the world is the same. I'm fairly sure our usage of the word "and" came first... I blame Webster. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. |Musicbrainz|Audioscrobbler|last.fm|
3rd February 2005, 20:50   #58
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3rd February 2005, 21:25   #59
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 Originally posted by dlinkwit27 so how would you say 2004.4?
i'd say it "two-thousand four point four".

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 3rd February 2005, 23:29 #60 ScorLibran Resident Floydian     Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,222 I'd say it "one one one one one zero one zero one zero zero". (Well, now it would be "one one one one one zero one zero one zero one".) I'm a psychosomatic sister running around without a leash.
 4th February 2005, 00:01 #61 Cognition Some Random Guy(Major Dude)     Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 1,244 If I say eg. "one thousand and twelve", I mean 1012 not 1000.12. That would be "one thousand point one two" or "one thousand point twelve" or "one thousand and twelve hundredths." How else could you say it? Surely "two thousand and four" implies the same thing. The "." is NOT said "and" (at least for us real english speaking people ). "And" is always adding the whole number stated, be it four or four tenths or whatever. The ONLY reason you say "two dollars AND forty cents" is because it's forty CENTS not forty DOLLARS still. A cent is one hundredth of a dollar. It's the same thing as saying "two dollars and forty hundredths." Also following the tradition of "nineteen oh four" and "nineteen ninety-seven" etc it should really be "twenty oh four" but I actually say it like Will does. It'll be "twenty... " only from 2020. Although some people would say "nineteen hundred and one" and that fits the "two thousand and four" way.
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