Old 4th December 2013, 17:51   #1
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Cant get over the 300 listener mark.

Hey guys and gals.

I cant seem to break the 300 concurrent listener mark. Typically we range form 100-250 and sometimes peak at 300 - 350 Im probably on every single directory you can think of. Besides of typical promo, seo and social media does anyone know something that I might not know?


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Old 4th December 2013, 17:55   #2
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you'll need to ensure you've got the open file limit (ulimit -n) set higher to allow more listeners (as the default is 1024 which generally will limit you to the 300-350 range).
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Old 4th December 2013, 18:07   #3
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lol.. sorry DrO..

This wasnt a technical question. More so a "how can I get more listeners" question.

You coders always think so code like
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Old 4th December 2013, 18:11   #4
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well my response still applies (and the wording of question seemed very much like the response i provided ), but the only way to get more listeners is to promote more and do something better than all of the other stations out there.
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Old 4th December 2013, 18:20   #5
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thanks man.

my DNAS is set to allow 1000 concurrent listeners.

Just thought maybe there was something that I didnt know about.. such as itunes radio and tunein give me LOTS of listeners.

Just got on windows media guide recently too.
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Old 4th December 2013, 19:24   #6
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my DNAS is set to allow 1000 concurrent listeners.
you do understand that to allow more than 300-350 listeners in linux, setting the concurrent listener limit in linux isn't enough. There's a linux setting you most likely need to set to allow more listeners


it's odd though ... your stream stats show

Stream Status: Stream is up at 128 kbps with 13 of 1000 listeners
Listener Peak: 79

Which doesn't quite gel with your opening statement, which in itself is also contradictory ... "can't get over 300 listeners, we peak at 300-350" ... last time I checked (and I confirmed this with my 8 year old kid) 350 is over 300

Is it just me or are shoutcast users getting dumber?
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Old 4th December 2013, 20:23   #7
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Thanks for you reply. I am not sure where you are getting those stats from.. Here is my current DNAS info at the moment.





The data I was speaking about was in terms of "average" We peaked at around 350ish before but that info does not show since we had to reset our DNAS previously.


Anyway not sure why this thread is being taken off course. Its about trying to get more people tuned in by ways that I might not know.

Although the info you are talking about regarding a limit via linux has me interested. How do I edit that setting?
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Old 4th December 2013, 20:51   #8
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I should also mention I use centovacast 3.0

That allows me to set the limits. Are you saying those limit settings are not accurate?
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Old 4th December 2013, 21:41   #9
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I should also mention I use centovacast 3.0

That allows me to set the limits. Are you saying those limit settings are not accurate?
DNAS has a listener limit you can set

Linux has an open file descripter per process limit - if that is such that DNAS can't exceed 300 listeners, then your DNAS setting is irrelevant

having said all that, who knows what the linux limit is on your DNAS server

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Old 4th December 2013, 21:45   #10
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Thanks for the info. I am going to look into that.

1. If that limit is reached what are the symptoms, Does it just block others from connecting?

2. What do you suggest I set that limit to?

Here are my current file descriptor limit data
core file size (blocks, -c) unlimited
data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited
scheduling priority (-e) 0
file size (blocks, -f) unlimited
pending signals (-i) 63896
max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64
max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited
open files (-n) 4096
pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8
POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200
real-time priority (-r) 0
stack size (kbytes, -s) unlimited
cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited
max user processes (-u) 63896
virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited
file locks (-x) unlimited


Judging by these numbers its not a hardware or configuration setting that is now allowing me to have more listeners than 350 its the promo, seo and ability to get my station known to more people that is the problem. Which takes me back to my original question. If anyone has any "secret sauce" they want to inform me on I would love to hear it.

Thanks so much for informing me about the max user processes. I didnt know that was something that needed to be looked into.
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Old 4th December 2013, 22:12   #11
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if you've already got open files (-n) 4096 and it's being acknowledged as such in the DNAS's initial log output (which is shown with the v2.2x releases) then yes it's likely just a limit on your audience unless the limit isn't being correctly applied by the DNAS / config setup and if so, then often it means adjusting other things in the OS config (as it's been seen that not always will the setting persist on the machine correctly due to other factors).

so although you can have maxuser set to whatever value, if the OS doesn't allow for it to go above that, then you may find arbitrary limits being hit (which is why i gave my initial reply as the values mentioned are right in that spot if the default ulimit -n 1024 is in effect.

it's about the only thing i don't like with how the v2 DNAS operates in it's design over what the v1 DNAS allowed (along with the way in which the file handles are dealt with) and is something if i had the time i'd like to replace with a lighter system or at least one that's less file handle heavy.
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Old 4th December 2013, 22:16   #12
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Thanks DrO.

As always your replies are much appreciated.

I learn something new every time I read your replies.



So... if anyone reading this has some tips on how to gain more listeners, I would love to share some knowledge with you.
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Old 4th December 2013, 22:20   #13
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don't play crap music is my most helpful tip
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Old 4th December 2013, 22:52   #14
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hahah I dont think I need to worry about that one.
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Old 27th January 2014, 19:51   #15
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Actually, playing crap music will prob get you the most listeners.

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Old 28th January 2014, 03:12   #16
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haha Lance Mannion you would know :P

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Actually, playing crap music will prob get you the most listeners.

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Old 28th January 2014, 16:01   #17
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Oh BTW since this post I have gained a lot of popularity in a few directories and we have been peaking at 400+ listeners.
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