Originally Posted by Batter Pudding
I don't want to go deep into the same old Apple vs Microsoft debate. But one of the things to remember on Price is that there are no "low end models" in an Apple Range. Microsoft can't (and don't want to) control those companies who put Windows onto PCs which have the wrong spec. Look at all the underpowered XP machines that companies installed Vista on. I saw one laptop with 256MB of RAM and an old Celeron processor being sold with Vista on it!! Apple make sure that never happens.
If you take the cash you pay for an Apple machine and look into the PC ranges at that price point, then you will get a good experience. Look at the example of your Alienware laptop you mention in another thread. This is Dell "top end" kit. Very well spec'd and easily a challenge to Apple kit. They also look darn nice.
just to be clear, i don't disagree with that at all. the point i was trying to make, is that apple sells you an experience, more than they sell you hardware or an OS. they have commiditized that, making it uniform. people who buy apple really don't care about the specs or the price, they just want the utility of the experience.
thats what it has that windows has none of. windows 8 is going to be a totally new experience from 7 and 9 from that. a lot of people hate that. apple has been the same with well integrated new bits now and then for years now.
and when i say commiditized, i mean the experience, not the price. they put a premium price on commiditizing that exp, b/c no one else competes with it.
Originally Posted by Batter Pudding
Meanwhile I have here another Dell laptop. It is such a painfully low end device that the case is actually plastic. This weak plastic. An ancient processor installed, and bare minimal selection of ports available. RAM far too low to give a good experience in Windows. All for the sake of saving a few quid, a bad experience is given.
They are aimed at different markets. You cannot compare the low end Dell laptop to an Apple device. But you can certainly compare your Alienware laptop.
Inside the Apple is the same Intel kit as in a Microsoft based device anyway. Just constructed in a more custom manner.
(I am not Apple bashing. I work with both systems and do often recommend Apple hardware where it makes sense)
i often apple bash, mainly for the philosophic choices they make. but they have mastered the art of making sure that the user always get the same expected exp on their stuff, as long as people are running current software on current hardware. windows doesn't even attempt this. apple also has mastered the slow evolution of their OS, so it doesn't throw users for a loop, but does allow them to introduce new features. again, windows is schizo by comparison.
i do really like my alienware laptop, altho the falling motion sensor really needs a pref. but there is no question it has better specs than any apple gear, and cheaper too. and i personally know how to get around windows, so thats not an issue, and i just like it all more than "the apple exp"
but whereas 10 or 5 years ago, i thought, correctly imo, that apple fans were just being stubborn b/c back then, there were so many drawbacks to their world, i today can no longer say that, and just say they are blindly following their dear leader... today, i see a totally reasonable reaction of users who are NOT "techy" people by nature choosing apple b/c for them, it "just works" and is easy and reliable to use, and asks so little of them in terms of a learning curve, even as new versions come out.
for these people, the premium price is worth it, and obviously, its a lot of people.
of course, apple would never lower their prices on oranges to oranges windows gear, b/c their business model is to achieve that premium, to fund R&D to keep the exp the same while still evolving, and also b/c they want to be perceived as the "Mercedes" of computers, not the "Gateway." but i would not be surprised to see a $750 entry apple macbook air in the next 3-4 years though. i think that as people start to use computers less, all computer makers will lower their entry price points. (you might even see mac minis for under $500) also, apple will need to lower prices to compete outside the US.