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Old 14th November 2004, 01:53   #41
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"...although its great now, soon it will be surpassed."

Couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah, Winamp works fine now... but with its development on hold, it will no doubt be beat by other players in a short period of time. I, personally, think I will stick with Winamp until I find something better. And I think the new QCD player (v5, as hinted at their site) will be the one. In my mind, Sonique has been dead for a long time... they might as well just quit developing it. Oh wait... it seems they already have. Same ugly web page, same old version, as almost a year ago.
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Old 14th November 2004, 03:38   #42
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Thats just like UltraPlayer.com Same player & webpage from years ago. They say it was the best out there at one time, even over WinAmp. Pffft.
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Old 14th November 2004, 04:15   #43
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Hopefully one of these players will offer a skin or a whole version which emulates winamp. Winamp's best feature IMO is the fact that the active playlist can be customized so easily. Most players don't even have an active playlist at all.
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Old 14th November 2004, 15:29   #44
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I think we should militate for Winamp open-sourcing !
I'm a strong follower of Richard Stallman principles and Free Software.
I propose to put up a petition to have Winamp released under the GPL !

Not that I'm sure Nullsoft or AOL would want to do that, but still, I think it's worth the try... no ?
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Old 14th November 2004, 19:33   #45
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I think we should militate for Winamp open-sourcing !
I'm a strong follower of Richard Stallman principles and Free Software.
I propose to put up a petition to have Winamp released under the GPL !

Not that I'm sure Nullsoft or AOL would want to do that, but still, I think it's worth the try... no ?
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Old 14th November 2004, 19:38   #46
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AOL and opensource. what a combination.

The fact that the Netscape Source was released back in 1998 only decreases the chances of AOL (over average shithead bussinessmen) doing Us All a favor again.
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Old 14th November 2004, 22:25   #47
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Does AOL make money with Winamp ?
Why did AOL release Netscape source ?

If we can answer both these questions, then we'll have more chances elaborating a strategy
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Old 14th November 2004, 22:43   #48
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yes winamp pro does cost money... = profit
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Old 14th November 2004, 22:47   #49
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billyvnilly last I've eared the profit from the Pro version is used to pay for the licenses required by the ripping/burning engine.

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Old 14th November 2004, 22:47   #50
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As far as I know, all money made with the Pro version goes to third-parties, for the use of the Sonic Engine (Burning) and the mp3 encoder.

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Mmh, yes

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Old 14th November 2004, 23:25   #51
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cough cough

of course they are making money off winamp5

the thing is, they say that purchasing a licence gives entitlement to all future releases of the 5.X series. and if they add another thing like DVD support, they are not exactly going to make it 6.0 to avoid that reason.

also the price they charge is not in line with the cost to them of transactions, the ripping and burning engines.


they ARE making money. the question is "how much money" is it $1, $10....

i mean heck, Nero is bundled with CD burning drives in an OEM package for about $2 cost to the drive manufacturer.

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Old 15th November 2004, 00:08   #52
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ah i din know. yeah i wonder how many ppl purchase pro every year...


what about all the advertising? and all of the advertising skins?
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Old 15th November 2004, 03:04   #53
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Uh, what is wrong with Nullsoft making a little money? I doubt AOL sends a lot of funding their way, so obviously they are going to need some cash to continue their work. If you don't want to buy Pro, then don't. There are plenty of other options out there.

@ Lord Darius: As far as I know, AOL did not release the source for Netscape 4. The source was released in January 1998, and AOL did not buy Netscape Communications until that November. How much say AOL had in the decision, I don't know, but I doubt it was much.
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Old 15th November 2004, 07:48   #54
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http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....13#post1128513
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....40#post1157140
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=154928

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Old 15th November 2004, 11:24   #55
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From reading those links, i can say I'm happy not to live in USA and therefore being patent-free. This system is really a plague for the software industry. As far as I know, every piece of basic software technics can be patented, so companies basically own the right to have ideas over individuals...

@ toejam07 : nothing is wrong with nullsoft making money, just the opposite. But if AOL doesn't make money from Winamp, then it's more likely their interest in it will fade to the point that some things may happen :
1. Nullsoft will be dismantled and Winamp will die (noooooooo !)
2. Nullsoft will recover some form of independance, and just like netscape, Winamp will spread its wings and fly away (hello AmpZilla ?)
3. Winamp won't die, but will keep on slowly evolving, and some other great soft will take over.

About Netscape/Mozilla, if what I read on the net is true, when AOL bought Netscape, Mozilla already existed. We can say AOL "tolerated" the existence of the open-source counterpart to netscape as long as it helped improving the other one.
When Microsoft (yes, them) and AOL finally settled a big legal battle in 2003, they dumped netscape for good to use IE instead, and so was born the Mozilla foundation.

So, with iTunes around, I don't see any "good" (meaning business-wise) reason why AOL would keep Winamp around :/

[edit]: it looks like Wasabi.player can be considered as being to winamp what Mozilla Firefox is to Netscape... is the future there ?
I've been reading the news at the wasabidev website and blogs, and it seems things there start moving faster lately.
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Old 15th November 2004, 20:53   #56
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with corporate support like this advertisement on winamp's forum i don't see how they respect winamp enough to let it keep going on
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Old 15th November 2004, 23:12   #57
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talk about selling your soul to the devil...


...or is it a deamon selling what's left of his soul to another deamon? I can't really make this out :S

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Old 16th November 2004, 04:56   #58
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Well, if a 5.06 really is being made, I hope they finally fix the "EasyMove" option. I hate EasyMove... and it won't turn off. It's been there for as long as I can remember.
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Old 16th November 2004, 05:11   #59
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Yeah, "Easy Move" is actually meant to be for classic skins only (ie. it can be turned on/off with classic skins) but it seems built-in / permanently on with modern skins :/

And yes, "5.06 REALLY is being made"!
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Old 16th November 2004, 06:09   #60
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Reading this thread kind of sheds some light on the possible answer to my question. What happened to the Anime that were showing on Internet T.V. on WinAmp?

I really enjoyed watching "Love Hina", "Last Exile", and even though it was kind of 'kinky', "Osunaga (spelling) Teacher." I was looking foward to more. I wanted to support this kind of programing, so I bought Animes from KrazyAnime, which sponsored "Last Exile", but ... Oh well. I guess this is all over now.

Or is the discontinuation of the Anime programming not related to the dismanteling of the Core WinAmp team?
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Old 16th November 2004, 06:25   #61
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"Yeah, "Easy Move" is actually meant to be for classic skins only (ie. it can be turned on/off with classic skins) but it seems built-in / permanently on with modern skins :/"

So does that mean that the option is forever there, and will never work for modern skins - or will it ever work? (or the option get removed somehow?)
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Old 16th November 2004, 06:26   #62
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The content of Internet Radio or Internet TV streams are not made by Nullsoft or AOL.

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Old 16th November 2004, 06:51   #63
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No. What I meant was that Modern skins support Easy Move by default, so the Easy Move option in Winamp doesn't affect them, because that option is for classic skins only.

Hmm, still not sure if I've explained it right or any better, lol.


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I'm sure the desync.com streams will return, though it must cost them quite a bit to host those 500k streams. And as drewbar said, no, it's got nothing to do with the speculative content of this thread.
Also note that the core Winamp dev team wasn't "dismantled". They all resigned at different stages over the past year of their own will . . . though the laying off of Brennan and Aus last year could well have been the catalyst :/

Bring on 5.06
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Old 16th November 2004, 07:01   #64
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O.K. Who determines what is streamed and what is not streamed on WinAmP?

Those channels and the content were already there by default. I just installed WinAmp, and there they were, for as long as I can remember (O.K. "Love Hina" for as long as I can remember, "Last Exile" and that 'kinky Teacher' one came later). Now they're gone. Who decided to stop streaming three separate programs from three different sponsors at once?

(EDIT: I started this post before DJ Egg posted his remarks, but then, by the time I posted these comments, DJ Egg had already posted - so I'm not asking the same question twice - even though it may apprear that way )
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Old 16th November 2004, 09:48   #65
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whats easy move?

There is no reset button on life... but the graphics kick ass
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Old 16th November 2004, 11:29   #66
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O.K. Who determines what is streamed and what is not streamed on WinAmP?
Its up to the people who manages the stream not nullsoft or aol

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Old 16th November 2004, 17:17   #67
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Winamp > main menu (right click anywhere) > Options > Easy Move.
For classic skins, with "Easy Move" off you can only move windows by dragging the titlebars. With it on, you can move windows by dragging any gray-space within each window.
Modern skins already support this feature by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to disable it.

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The Internet TV streams are hosted by users like you and me. Anyone can have a stream up there . . . ie. the content is provided by 3rd-parties, not by Nullsoft/AOL.
Nullsoft just provides the base Shoutcast/NSV Tools
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Old 16th November 2004, 18:23   #68
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I don't really care if a new version is coming out or not I mean what other ways can you improve (besides bug fixes) a media player like this. I mean the media library and video feature was a good idea but what else can you do to improve on winamp how many more ways can you change this player. winamp may die officially out not unofficially. especially if a new file format comes out there will be new plugins.

that all i got to say and if someone flames me for punctuation or spelling than go get a life

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It seems like there might have either been a mix up, or the powers that be are desperately trying to keep the masses faithful.

Either way, those who thought that all the news stories that popped up were mainly hype, were right.
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Old 18th November 2004, 04:17   #70
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I don't get it...
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Old 18th November 2004, 06:12   #71
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What's there to get?
We tried to tell everyone all along that it was all a load of bullshit :/
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Old 18th November 2004, 06:21   #72
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its not bull!!! a friend told me.. not only is winamp dead, but their site is going down too, in fact old versions of winamp wont work anymore either, aol stuck a self-destruct button and it uninstalls every version of winamp!!!!!1!1!!!1!!!

and btw, this friend is much more reliable than winamp, or the mods, or nullsoft, or aol(but really though, isnt most everything more reliable than aol)

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Old 18th November 2004, 06:39   #73
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its not bull!!! a friend told me.. not only is winamp dead, but their site is going down too, in fact old versions of winamp wont work anymore either, aol stuck a self-destruct button and it uninstalls every version of winamp!!!!!1!1!!!1!!!

and btw, this friend is much more reliable than winamp, or the mods, or nullsoft, or aol(but really though, isnt most everything more reliable than aol)
You forgot about the fact that all the mp3s ever read by winamp will also no longer work because Winamp was programed to take them down with him

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What's there to get?
We tried to tell everyone all along that it was all a load of bullshit :/
Hmm thats very strange. Something is going weird over at the winamp news page. When I clicked on the link before it took me to the front news page (http://www.winamp.com/about/news.php) and the link to this entry isn't even there. That's why I was confused.
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Old 18th November 2004, 13:45   #76
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Hmm thats very strange. Something is going weird over at the winamp news page. When I clicked on the link before it took me to the front news page (http://www.winamp.com/about/news.php) and the link to this entry isn't even there. That's why I was confused.
Mmm, I spotted that as well.
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It's good to know I'm not going completely crazy...
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i heard that it was removed due to a mildy, if at all, homophobic remark in it, that caused a couple of complaints.

Should have replaced it with "queer".

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i heard that it was removed due to a mildy, if at all, homophobic remark in it, that caused a couple of complaints.

Should have replaced it with "queer".
ah man that's just g*y

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