Old 6th January 2003, 09:30   #121
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3. (yeah, I know I said "two") Freedom from responsibility to explain is bullshit. If someone cannot explain and justify their actions to the community, then they do not deserve to be a mod.
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I really can't see the problem here. People are acting like whiny little girls. I don't see too much of a problem, rm has her knickers in a twist over a thread she didn't like in the first place. We don't have a perfect system, or one that is completly foolproof and moraly correct. We do have one that works if people step back and realise when they are being pinikety twats.

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Old 6th January 2003, 09:57   #122
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triGEAR, you have to realize two things:
1. The mods don't have rights here, either. They are given a position of authority, and with that authority comes the responsibility to use it correctly.

2. By protesting, rm' apparently homes to draw attention to some of the problems. If enough people care, maybe a little of the admins' apathy will drain away and they will effect some changes.

3. (yeah, I know I said "two") Freedom from responsibility to explain is bullshit. If someone cannot explain and justify their actions to the community, then they do not deserve to be a mod.
re 1: absolutely, but at the same time we the users are not explicitly or implicitly entitled to anything. you come, you post. break the rules, they have the ability to moderate it. we all know by now that rm' has a problem with things the way they are; he's made it VERY clear to everyone involved with the forums. every time this has come up recently, though, the exact same thing happens: everyone says "harumph" and then nothing happens. frustrated, rm' decides to push the established rules to the limit and see what happens. he deliberately breaks the established "rules" and provokes as many people, user and mod alike, as possible. he alienates anyone who tries to offer a dissenting opinion by talking down to them or assaulting them with a barrage of pseudo-cryptic/pseudo-nonsense quotes and trivia, and then when he's utterly pissed everyone off he comes back and says "hey, i've changed, take me back, i did it all for you guys anyway". he's attempting to become the larry flint of forums.winamp.com, but the fact still remains: you can't fight for your rights when you never had any to begin with.

re2: he's done this before. we know the problems as he sees them. we've been made very well aware of them. and we've done everything we as a community care to do: absolutely nothing. i don't really see anyone else complaining about things the way they are now, save for some of the old-timers pining for the good old days. but that's ALWAYS the case, no matter where you go. things fall apart, nothing gold can last, yadda yadda yadda. the only reason he has a problem with censorship and bad moderatorship is because he purposely pushes the rules and then expects himself to be immune. rm' complains that he gets mistreated because some of the mods hold grudges against him, but then when he proposes his changes, notice that the mods to go are the ones that he holds grudges against... we're all human, we can't stop our personal feelings from affecting our decisions. rm' is no longer trying to get his message across. he's already gotten it across in spades.

re3: i agree with you, but you're mistaken. it's "freedom from the obligation to explain"... the word is obligation, not responsibility. and i think you're also misunderstanding the intended meaning of the phrase. freedom from the obligation to explain doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to be able to explain their actions, it means that they shouldn't have to stop and get everyone's permission before doing their duties. right now the moderatorship here IS very slow, because everytime a mod takes some initiative, THIS happens. everyone jumps up to arms, the militia is roused, paul revere does his midnight ride, and we all start kung fu fighting. if they have to wait for a general ok for everything, the mods won't ever get anything done. we don't have to ok everything they do, that's why they're the mods and we're not. i honestly don't believe that anyone is purposely abusing their powers, and i do think that they are all trying their best to keep this giant romper room under control. it's tough work. and as for rm's comment about there being people above the mods, to that i say "where?". i don't see 'em. they're obviously not doing their jobs right if the mods have to pick up the slack.

i like rm', and i like his contributions to the forums. i have to repeat that because any time someone disagrees with him he begins to percieve it as a personal assault on his good name. i'm not saying he needs to stop griping. by all means, he can continue to do so if he wishes. but if he's waiting for something to happen as a result, he'll be waiting a looooooooong time...
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Old 6th January 2003, 10:02   #123
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lol@comparison to Larry Flynt. No, really, lol.

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Old 6th January 2003, 10:03   #124
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lol@comparison to Larry Flynt. No, really, lol.
what? wasn't that what you were going for?
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Old 6th January 2003, 10:12   #125
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He's not Bender, but I guess he'll have to do :-/

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Old 6th January 2003, 12:28   #127
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I really can't see the problem here. People are acting like whiny little girls. I don't see too much of a problem, rm has her knickers in a twist over a thread she didn't like in the first place. We don't have a perfect system, or one that is completly foolproof and moraly correct. We do have one that works if people step back and realise when they are being pinikety twats.
No, I'm not really that upset. I just though I should add my bits. I can understand why some are a bit upset, though.

triGEAR:
on 1: I agree that we have to rights, but I just think that the mods should take some responsibility with their power. I guess that might never happen, though. Not with all the apathy floating around the "upper management".

on 2: don't really have anything else to add. I don't completely agree with you, but I don't completely disagree, either.

on 3: I don't expect all the mods to come ask me if it's ok to do this and that. You are right, nothing would get done. But, they should be expected to explain their actions afterward.

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Old 6th January 2003, 14:05   #128
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I compare this whole clusterfuck to the Rodney King thing.
You've got a couple fukknut mods who operate as rogues and fuck it up for the rest of them
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Old 6th January 2003, 19:17   #129
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Dear Abby,

This thread appears to have been "lightened" by about three posts. Do you know where they went? Were they offensive?

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Old 6th January 2003, 19:20   #130
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i agree and disagree some, but after two rounds of point and counterpoint, we're about to start repeating ourselves. let's leave it as is. we agree some, and we disagree some...
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Old 6th January 2003, 19:35   #131
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"So, let's all just agree to disagree."
"I don't agree to that."
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Old 6th January 2003, 19:38   #132
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Old 6th January 2003, 19:40   #133
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Old 6th January 2003, 19:43   #134
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Old 6th January 2003, 20:00   #135
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As usual, I wait until these drama-fests reach page 4 or 5 until I respond.

First of all, lol at the fact that a lot of this was a response to my innocent griping at hester (check it and see). [/patting self on back and laughing maniacally mode]

On a more serious note, I feel that with a few exceptions (ie. porn, warez, etc) hester and anyone else should have the right to behave however they choose here. Hester has the right to de-rail a thread, and I have the right to tell him if I feel it was in bad taste (besides, he likes the attention ). That's social interaction. In this case, no action was needed on the part of the mods, and the thread shouldn't have been locked. If it hadn't been, many things may have happened: the thread may have died, a new conversation may have popped up, or it may have found it's way back on topic.

When the mods react to personalities, rather than upholding principles, something has gone wrong.

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rand man,
I hope you dont mind me asking but how old are you?
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I hope you dont mind me asking but how old are you?

he's so old, he used to chase dinosaurs as a child. jk dude, you know i luv ya!
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Thats not that old. i fancy a 42 year old go to www.nickabbot.com
Thats his fan site!
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Old 6th January 2003, 21:58   #141
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"So, let's all just agree to disagree."
"I don't agree to that."
"Neither do I."
"Oh, ho, ho. This is a dilly of a pickle."

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Old 6th January 2003, 22:55   #142
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Old 6th January 2003, 22:57   #143
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First of all, lol at the fact that a lot of this was a response to my innocent griping at hester (check it and see). [/patting self on back and laughing maniacally mode]
"My work here is done."
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Old 6th January 2003, 23:13   #144
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and teach without saying a word.
Things come her way and she does not stop them;
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She has without possessing,
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Old 6th January 2003, 23:19   #145
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"Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money!"
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Old 6th January 2003, 23:44   #146
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the ending part of that epsiode sucked...they compromised humor for sentimentality...
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the ending part of that epsiode sucked...they compromised humor for sentimentality...
I disagree. The episode, including the ending, was very funny. And there is a difference in narrative between sentiment (emotion) and sentimentality (forced or contrived emotion).
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Old 6th January 2003, 23:50   #148
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kthxbai.
Herb, I cannot agreemore about this.
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i will quote someone in a very high position of power in the forums and not name names.
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The forums seem to run smoothly until rm goes on one of his ego trips
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I disagree. The episode, including the ending, was very funny. And there is a difference in narrative between sentiment (emotion) and sentimentality (forced or contrived emotion).
I don't know...the ending to that ep was almost as bad as the one where leela finds her real parents and they waste like 2 minutes at the end with some sappy musical peice...but with both, the stuff that happened before the end was entertaining.
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I don't know...the ending to that ep was almost as bad as the one where leela finds her real parents and they waste like 2 minutes at the end with some sappy musical peice...but with both, the stuff that happened before the end was entertaining.
That one was OK. They really did a good job at balancing the sentiment and humor at the end of the Valentines day episode, where Bender was dating the ship. The ending, where Fry gives Leela his oxygen, had sentiment without sacrificing the humor. I feel the same way about the Simpsons Thanksgiving episode from Season 2.
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The problem here is that there are one or two mods who are abusing their positions by pursuing personal vendettas, and a whole lot of cock-sucking cronies who are happy to jump on any passing band-wagon.

Just my point of view, no offence meant, I'm tired and emotional, etc...

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Old 7th January 2003, 00:38   #154
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The ending, where Fry gives Leela his oxygen, had sentiment without sacrificing the humor.
I agree, that one did a good job, the sentiment flowed as a natural extension of the plot. In the other two episodes, however, it seems much more contrived...there isn't a natural segue into the musical number, it's just taked on at the end for the sake of sentiment, same with at the end of the "Bender is god" ep, at the end they tack on "god" reiterating his "...nothing at all" one-liner, without any segue or reason other than to be overly sentimental.
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That one was OK. They really did a good job at balancing the sentiment and humor at the end of the Valentines day episode, where Bender was dating the ship.
The voice-over with Dr. Zoidberg at the end was absolutely brilliant.

The point behind the ending of the God one is to show that God did do something, i.e., change Bender's character for Good. Yet it's ironic, because Bender performs a heroic act, yet God teaches nonaction.

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If you take these forums THAT seriously, you really need to get a fucking life of your own and quit playing these mindless games ont he internet. Look out your window and realize that life is passing you by at an extreme pace and know that as you sit and play chatroom games, your fat manifests itself at 3 times the rate of a sumo wrestler.
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i have no clue who wrote that. what do i get?
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Me either. Still... sounds about right to me...

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I can't find that quote using the forum search

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i say chev wrote it. just now. he's quoting himself.
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