Old 8th May 2006, 22:18   #1
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How do the ebay seller fees work?

I got setup for Ebay today, there is a final fee after you sell... is this charged to your credit card or taken out of your closing price? Don't have a lot on my card and I need it for food

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Old 8th May 2006, 22:39   #2
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I'm pretty sure that it's taken off of the closing price.
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Old 8th May 2006, 22:45   #3
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Sweet. I setup my paypal account for the fees anyhow.

First item.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1

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Old 8th May 2006, 22:47   #4
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Why buy it from you when I can get it for free?
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Old 8th May 2006, 23:01   #5
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Some people prefer to have legitimate. I was saddened to get a laptop with legit XP

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Old 8th May 2006, 23:04   #6
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I need to get a new XP key. A legit one. Or I'll just wait 'till Vista. I dunno.
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Old 8th May 2006, 23:08   #7
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[anal observations]

When you call it an "unregistered copy", you actually mean it's an unactivated copy.

Activation is what "locks" it to one installation on one PC (and would have to be reset with a call to Microsoft).

"Registering" the product means giving Microsoft your contact info so they can spam you (with the cover story of being able to validate your warranty and provide support, both of which they can do fine without requiring registration.

Also, for a product worth at least a couple hundred dollars, I'd set a reserve price of around $75 or so. Just to make sure you don't have to let it go for three dollars because of an unfortunate lack of bidders in one auction.

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But congrats on getting into eBay selling. I'm about to do the same thing myself, starting with my collection of about 30,000 Magic: The Gathering cards.

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Old 8th May 2006, 23:17   #8
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I'll buy all of them.

No! I must resist! I don't even have anyone to play MTG with anymore
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Old 8th May 2006, 23:22   #9
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Added reserve and added the unactivated text Thanks

It's ~$2 for the reserve, it said something about being refunded if it sells.. so if it doesn't, i'm only out two bucks?

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Old 8th May 2006, 23:28   #10
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I don't even have anyone to play MTG with anymore
Me neither. That's why I'm selling them.

In a quick look-though the other day I figured I have about $1000 in ten or so of the most expensive cards, between a few each of original Time Warp, Ancestral Recall, and some others. I'm hoping I can make about $2000 when they're all sold, the expensive ones individually and the others as lots.

If I had a few of these I could pay off my car: http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-MAGIC-THE-G...QQcmdZViewItem

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It's ~$2 for the reserve, it said something about being refunded if it sells.. so if it doesn't, i'm only out two bucks?
I'd assume so. I haven't sold anything (yet) on eBay.

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Old 9th May 2006, 12:08   #11
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I need to get a new XP key. A legit one. Or I'll just wait 'till Vista. I dunno.
rofls my brother got nailed for that, this copy is legal because it was fried by lighting and we put a new motherboard in and it worked.
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Old 10th May 2006, 02:49   #12
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Dear protegechris,

Thank you for your recent auction-style listing on eBay. Unfortunately, we removed
the following item(s):

9724034672 - FULL VERSION Microsoft Office 2003 PROFESSIONAL PRO


because Microsoft reported it to us for violating their intellectual property rights.
When eBay is notified by a rights owner of an intellectual property rights infringement,
eBay must remove the item in order to meet certain legal requirements
What the hell!?

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Old 10th May 2006, 02:51   #13
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Do they actually employ someone who scans eBay for a living?

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Old 10th May 2006, 03:08   #14
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How is reselling their software a violation of their rights.. that's like Ford bitching because they're selling mustangs on ebay

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Old 10th May 2006, 03:25   #15
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Yeah the best part is to agree to the terms of the license you have to open it.......so its like a catch-22

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Old 10th May 2006, 03:27   #16
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Yeah, and it's not like I'm selling pirated software, it came straight from microsoft.. jesus. I emailed them about it. I'll have the guy who sent it confirm with them if need be.

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Old 10th May 2006, 04:18   #17
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Lol are you also out the fees to post it?

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Old 10th May 2006, 04:28   #18
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I thought the lisence followed the computer, and not the owner. I have XP Pro with lisence, and when my motherboard fried though, I bought a new P4, new RAM, new graphics card and new RAM, and I got the Key info updated. They don't really care if the lisence changes computer. They are most interested to keep 1 windows active at a time. As for 1 Key per computer at the same time.

I had to explain what happened though, for getting it updated.

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Old 10th May 2006, 06:18   #19
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It appears it's only not OK for you to sell an unopened, unactivated Microsoft product.

Here's a long list of unactivated MS Office products for sale on eBay...

http://search.ebay.com/microsoft-off...n_W0QQfromZR40

This type of sale is within US copyright law. Just keep reposting the item for auction, until MS stooges don't "catch" it and you can complete the sale.

There won't be a selling fee until it's actually sold, although you'll have to cover the reserve fee with each posting. Shouldn't take more than a few more times to outrun the MS idiots, so the final sale amount should more than cover the difference.

Think of it like a healthy person racing against retards in the special olympics. With any luck, you'll win easily.

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Think of it like a healthy person racing against retards in the special olympics. With any luck, you'll win easily.
ROFL

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Old 10th May 2006, 06:34   #21
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It says it refunded all my fees. It also says if this happens repeatedly, my account will be suspended

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Old 10th May 2006, 07:15   #22
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Old 10th May 2006, 16:41   #23
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... perhaps because it was bought from the Microsoft employee store?

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That's a thought. But it shouldn't matter. The same copyright applies, and in turn the same copyright laws apply.

It may be against Microsoft's rules for employees to sell any product acquired from their employee store, but Microsoft's rules don't form a law for anyone outside their company.

The same copyright laws apply, which make it legal to sell an unopened software product with an unassigned license. Even if it's been received as a gift.

If they're relying on corporate strong-arming to try to enforce their internal rules outside their company, I gave protegechris a fully legal procedure to shoot down their strategy. Or eBay's strategy, if they're the culprit.

(Manipulating corporations is easy if you've worked with enough of them for enough years. Use their own inefficiencies and inconsistencies against them. And get a configuration manager to create a procedure for you to make the most of holes in corporate processes.)


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Old 10th May 2006, 20:20   #25
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Email response:
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Hello,

Thank you for your e-mail. Each day Microsoft's NetSafe Team reviews
hundreds of auctions and online advertisements to identify offers
involving counterfeit or otherwise unauthorized software. Our program
is primarily intended to protect internet buyers from acquiring software
that they would not be licensed or otherwise authorized to use. We
carefully review the listings before we request that they be removed,
nevertheless, we know that mistakes are made in a small number of cases.
We thank you for your cooperation and understanding as we review your
auction.

It appears that this auction was reported to eBay due to concerns that
it was offering to distribute a Microsoft Company Store package of
software. Microsoft distributes software to its employees at a
discounted price. This software is often marked with a label that
states: "Microsoft Company Store Purchase Not to be Sold". This
software is authorized for use, but it may not be distributed for value.
Since all eBay auctions, by definition, involve the transfer of value,
Microsoft Company Store software is not authorized for participation in
such transactions. If you do not want to keep the software package, you
may give it to someone else. However, this transaction must produce no
monetary gain.

Thank you for your time and attention to this issue. Please feel free
to respond with any questions or concerns you might have.
Sure, maybe Windows Media bought it from the company store. I certainly didn't buy it. I didn't even know he was sending it until I opened the package of stuff.. I emailed back explaining I've never worked for microsoft, I was never told not to sell it, and I don't see the harm - aside from someone else getting a good deal. Oh no, Microsoft is out 20 dollars

What if I opened it and accidentally lost the box.. that'd be horrible.

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Old 10th May 2006, 20:58   #26
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Keep it in the box and remove the sticker. Either with your fingernails or with Photoshop.

The product in a box will be worth more money.

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You just wait 'till Microsoft ninja show up at your door.
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Old 10th May 2006, 21:22   #28
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I can kick Microsoft Ninja's ass up and down the street.

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Ha. I'd like to see you try.
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I've faced him down in business partner companies across the country for over 15 years. He's always been my bitch.


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