Old 10th March 2001, 21:24   #1
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For the next build of winamp 3 could we aim to encorporate a video widnow that plays mpegs and movs? Also, if we could get the song and the video - if you had it to sinc and at the same time start. That would be real cool - what a good idea!
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For the next build of winamp 3 could we aim to encorporate a video widnow that plays mpegs and movs? Also, if we could get the song and the video - if you had it to sinc and at the same time start. That would be real cool - what a good idea!
I'd rather have two fast, streamlined players than one bloated slow-ass one. And the NS guys feel the same way so no, we can't. I don't even really understand the rest of your post. sinc? Do you mean "synchronize"? If so, I think what you're looking for is a "music video" - you know, a video with music playing in the background. Are you saying you want WA to become another WiMP, Real, Quicktime, etc? And finally, are you high? jeez...

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nahh

if i don't recall wrong from an old plan, this has already been done in nullsoft hq with winamp3. (there is no more bloat using mplayer to play movies in wa then using ie to view websites in wa)..

By the way.. are you high?

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It would be good to have video support. Easier than getting PowerDVD out. I suppose Windows Media Player is ok if you want to quickly playback an mpeg.

There's the dreaded bloat word again. A video plugin or support would add hardly anything. Using the Winamp 3 component system it would be easy to delete it if you didn't want it.
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i might have mis-understood but, wasn't there a plug-in for Winamp 2.xx that played movie files... wouldn't someone eventually make a plug-in for WA3 that would do the same

oh... and WA3... it is in alpha still

to matt.. what exactly is powerdvd???
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Null Soft Knows That They Make A Excelent Audio Player. They Dont Need To Screw It Up And Bloat It. If They Do It Will Be Like Sonique, A Big Bloat. The Keyword In All of This Is "Bloat". WinAmp Rules As Is, Anyway You Can Allways Download A Plugin If You Wish.

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I agree, it would be nice to be able to install a video playing .wac componant file, but then not everyone would want that, so they could just not install that componant. I would use it. But then it would not have to be nullsoft who made this plug in, a good c++ programmer could do it once the sdk is out. Any offers?
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no i am not high.

I though it would be a goood idea to have another window that could encorporate the potential to play mpegs, movs, dvds, vid cds etc. Power dvd is a dvd player thats good but it takes a half an hour to load(*or thereabout!*) And windows media player- are you MAD! I am not against M$ but, come on, wmp is possibly the wurst on the market. If i was that desparate i would be using real!!!! The thing is that microsoft have taken the next step forward and encorporated radio, streaming of virtualy anysort, mp3 etc, and videos.

it doesnt have to be *bloated* as you so crudly all described it. If we have it as a specific download for those that want it, it doesnt have to become a special thing. Remember when you download it you have at present three options - lite, standard, and full. Or, rather than compiling the plugin into the program, we can have it a specific output plugin, yet it will be just a touch more advanced.
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..., it would be nice to be able to install a video playing .wac componant file ...
That is the whole idea with WA3, winamp will be a platform for components.
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That is the whole idea with WA3, winamp will be a platform for components.
and by the looks of the skinning system all components will look the same as the current skin,
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winamp3 has a component system. nullsoft could have a 'component' section of the site.

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it doesnt have to be *bloated* as you so crudly all described it. If we have it as a specific download for those that want it, it doesnt have to become a special thing. Remember when you download it you have at present three options - lite, standard, and full. Or, rather than compiling the plugin into the program, we can have it a specific output plugin, yet it will be just a touch more advanced.
As I said before, NS will not be developing any such thing, unless one of them has a sudden change of heart. If you want to code a vid wac and submit it, fine by me. Are you sure you weren't high?

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That is the whole idea with WA3, winamp will be a platform for components.
and by the looks of the skinning system all components will look the same as the current skin,
I certainly not hope that you're right in this because the whole idea of free form skinning will fall apart.
I think that components that haven't been skinned will have the default, but you i think you'll be able to skin the unskinned components, so all components have different look.
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What are you lot talking about

Ok here goes it. So far, we have a mini browser, playlist editor, and channel mixer. All we have to do is compile a simple video editor, and it would be great! Whats the problem? we dont even have to do that much! I think you are blowing it out of proportion - the fact is that i think you just dont want to move forward. We need to take the next step - at the moment i see winamp going no where! Ok so its great its the best on the web , but if we dont start off on a new line then its just gunna go down and down. Look at M$. they saw that the net was the next road and so should winamp. With the release of new video compression techniques very soon, i see this as a very viable option for winamp. LETS MOVE FORWARD PEOPLE!
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Plug-ins

Shirley one of the things we all love about winamp is the plug-in system - just write a plug-in to do video. Or alternately consider that WA is the definitive *audio* solution for windows and download a decent video player to watch your videos on.

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I agree! Let's have a video player built in. I'd also like a built-in word processor so I can spell check mp3 titles, an email client, an option to connect winamp to my house's power grid so I can make my lights flash in time to the music, an integrated smoke machine and disco ball, force-feedback buttons, and integrated facial feature recognition to choose music based on my mood.

Thanks, hope all this makes it in by the next alpha!
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ditto!

i also want a built in microwave, so i can cook aol disks while i watch avs. and i want a built in photoshop type program.

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Yes, thats right...

Demand all you want, and please, lets have everyone volunteer to write this stuff...

Unfortunately, your missing a very important thing...

An SDK!

Looks like Brennan is working diligently on it now, but until that happens, no plugins will be written except by the illustrious folks at Nullsoft - and thats just the way it is for now.

So just sit back, relax, and watch WA3 evolve.

Speaking of which, after reading all these various posts by people about this and that which should appear in the next alpha, I have a strong feeling that the WA3 team is seriously regretting ever releasing an Alpha version at all.

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Re: WinAmp Rules

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Null Soft Knows That They Make A Excelent Audio Player. They Dont Need To Screw It Up And Bloat It. If They Do It Will Be Like Sonique, A Big Bloat. The Keyword In All of This Is "Bloat". WinAmp Rules As Is, Anyway You Can Allways Download A Plugin If You Wish.
Please, could you type your stuff normally ?
That "first letter up" writing is really tedious
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Speaking of which, after reading all these various posts by people about this and that which should appear in the next alpha, I have a strong feeling that the WA3 team is seriously regretting ever releasing an Alpha version at all.
I think you're probably right... could it be the constant bitching and moaning on their .plans? Or perhaps in the forums? Or maybe the fact that they all just took a week long vacation? Hmmm...

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I guess that the Winamp 3 hype was just too strong. Many people just forgot that the release was just an alpha and were disappointed
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You guys

Unfortunatly, the fact is that you just dont see the advantage of moving forward. The sad thing is that you will be the people losing out.
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My thoughts

Here is my opinion:

Winamp has always been an audio player. This is what it does well, and audio is what the focus needs to be on. This doesn't mean, however, that video SHOULDN'T be considered. Perhaps the minibrowser could be used as a video playback console in the event of a movie being player. For audio only files, it could then revert back to what it currently is.

Anyway, I would caution Nullsoft against spending so much time on video that audio is neglected. As I said earlier, audio needs to remain the focus. Perhaps winamp could simply use media player to play in the minibrowser in much the same way that a web browser does. That way, Winamp would have support but the internal workings and decoders would be left to media player. Include the capability only in the full installation if some people are worried about bloat. A good compromise, if you ask me.
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An additional thought...

I just thought of something else. If winamp were to make use of the media player core, winamp wouldn't have to worry about codecs and settings. Imagine what a mess it would be to have to set up all that crap for two different media players. Mmmmm, I think I like my idea. Somebody slap me.
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I just thought of something else. If winamp were to make use of the media player core, winamp wouldn't have to worry about codecs and settings. Imagine what a mess it would be to have to set up all that crap for two different media players. Mmmmm, I think I like my idea. Somebody slap me.
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praise the lord.....

THANK GOD! At least there are a few sain people out there. I agree and are by no means wishing that they spend time other than compiling quality software such as winamp, but come on guys! see the light. I think that the guy who suggested a plugin for the minibrowser is a genius, and that idea would be a great one. However, he needs to go on a spelling course!!!!!
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Irony

Rather amusing that you mention spelling, while you misspell "sane" yourself. BTW, if video was added, it'd be cool to have it listed as a file in the playlist. I like the thought of WinAMP speed and quality for use of my music video files. Sadly, most of them are in ugly slow Real format. 56k doesn't like 23Mb Quicktimes. Whatever.
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Rather amusing that you mention spelling, while you misspell "sane" yourself. BTW, if video was added, it'd be cool to have it listed as a file in the playlist. I like the thought of WinAMP speed and quality for use of my music video files. Sadly, most of them are in ugly slow Real format. 56k doesn't like 23Mb Quicktimes. Whatever.
well, my friend, may i recomend a cable modem. If you live in the UK i recomend blueyonder, a company which specialises in cable modems, ( a subsiduary of telewest), and have one amazing rate of reliability. Or, if you are in the states, you can get one for some rediculously cheap price. I hate the Fuckin price difference accross the atlantic. IT sucks.
Any way back to vids, yes i agree the idea of having it in the same layout as the mp3 playlist (ie config it to recognise them as one or each other, yet retain the ability to randomize etc.), and then use the mini browser to vew them!!! Brilliant, simply brilliant!!!

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can i not reccomend a cable modem the price of DSL and Cable is ridiculus in Australia.
How much do you think it the price is here across the pacific, indian and atlantic ocean to us sites.

u guys in the UK winge too much about cost when real problems are elsewhere in the world.

enter the real world xylom
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can i not reccomend a cable modem the price of DSL and Cable is ridiculus in Australia.
How much do you think it the price is here across the pacific, indian and atlantic ocean to us sites.

u guys in the UK winge too much about cost when real problems are elsewhere in the world.

enter the real world xylom
Mon ami. I am australian, although i am living in the UK with national status, yet have austrailian passport. But you arogant fuck, We do not whine about every thing; the australians have every thing cheap.My second cousin works for telstra - he says cables are unbelievably cheap! So shut you mouth !!! Stop being such a tight bastard.
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Calm down Xylom.
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Idea with Mini-browser

OK... Winamp uses IE for the minibrowser, right?

IE can embed video, right?

Why not let IE embed the video you want to play? A minor HTML generating plugin is all you need... I don't know anything about programming, but all you have to do is have it generate an html page, and find the command to make Winamp open that page in the minibrowser...

Viola, Winamp plays video.
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Great idea.

But people around here want's the video to be sync'ed with the playing song this will be quite a challenge to do that in html coding, otherwise it was probably already made.
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theres a plugin for winamp 2.x which plays all video formats, even divx
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Maybe this plugin could be ported to WA3 as a component when the sdk's are out. And then everyone will live happily ever after.
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I say Nullsoft should add whatever they want to, movie players, games, I don't really care........as long as it doesn't become bloatware (like MusicMatch, Sonique and Windows Media Player). If they can do that, I'm a happy man.
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Yep, anyone could write a component+plugin to play video or whatever other bizarro format you want. And if they don't, we might.


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thanks brennan. good thing you posted that. otherwise i was going to post something like:
JUST DOWNLOAD THE FUCKING PLUGIN!!!

but now im not since brennan was so nice to say that

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I hope so. I know there will be other plugins available but a Nullsoft written one would be great.
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