Old 25th June 2004, 23:35   #201
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Has anyone posted this yet?
I'm to lazy to look.

5.03c

Never mind, I'm always late to the party
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Old 25th June 2004, 23:38   #202
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Old 26th June 2004, 00:19   #203
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- Added eMusic trial offer to installer. Uninstaller included in Program Files\Winamp\eMusic


afaik, that is the only difference between 5.03a and 5.03c

Note: You still need to install the update patch afterwards.
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Old 26th June 2004, 03:43   #204
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Hey DJ Egg

So if I don't care about eMusic then there's no need
to download 5.03c, right?
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Old 26th June 2004, 03:49   #205
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Hi papadoc

Yup, afaik, that's right.

Gotta say, it came as just as much of a shock to me (and most if not all the beta team as well), because there's been no emusic trial in any of the recent internal builds. So I'm not sure if it's going to be a perm feature, or if it's just a temp promotional/bundle deal... :/
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Old 26th June 2004, 04:01   #206
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Good riddance AOD, hello... e-Music icon.

I think I'll keep my copy of 5.03a backed up, in case Winamp starts going back downhill with more things like these. Man, I hope it's only temporary.
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Old 26th June 2004, 04:03   #207
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Yup, afaik, that's right.
Thank you
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Old 26th June 2004, 04:07   #208
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Good riddance AOD, hello... e-Music icon.

I think I'll keep my copy of 5.03a backed up, in case Winamp starts going back downhill with more things like these. Man, I hope it's only temporary.
You can uncheck it in the installer.

And there'll no doubt be a line which can be added to winamp.ini (similar to: noaod=1) which will make sure it's always unchecked (I'll keep you posted on this one, if and when I find out).
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Old 26th June 2004, 13:04   #209
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hmm

Ok, im not sure if its my version or my pc or not what.. but, winamp 5.01a seems to crash every time it attempts to run a .wma file.. it runs for a bit, like 5 seconds of beautiful solid sound, but then gives me a "dont send" error.

Just wondering if its winamp or ma pc... cheers


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Old 26th June 2004, 13:12   #210
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First upgrade to 5.03c...

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Old 26th June 2004, 13:14   #211
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...and install the update patch.
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=179096

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Old 3rd July 2004, 21:11   #212
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Since WA 5.01 the fade in-function of the notification window doesn't work on my pc. is it a bug or must i change any hidden option?

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Old 4th July 2004, 00:02   #213
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Known bug
Already fixed for 5.04

For now, uncheck "link all windows in all skins"
(prefs > modern skins > alpha blending)
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Old 4th July 2004, 07:41   #214
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where do i get codecs and such

I can't play a ton of the music I get cause its all .wmv or random extensions...where do I get the codecs to play .wmv thx
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Update Windows Media Player...or get the Codecs Install Pack from the M$ web site. That's what you will need to play WMV, if you also have the DirectShow Decoder.
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Old 23rd July 2004, 03:08   #216
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I'm not too surprised you have to pay for the "pro" version. Heh. And of course I bet Linux support is non-existant. Oh well.
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Old 23rd July 2004, 03:10   #217
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Update Windows Media Player...or get the Codecs Install Pack from the M$ web site. That's what you will need to play WMV, if you also have the DirectShow Decoder.
It just seems really lame that you need WiMP in order to play WMV via Winamp. Isn't having Winamp so you don't have to use WiMP?
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Old 23rd July 2004, 03:46   #218
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Are you looking for a custom title?

Yes, you have to pay for the Pro version, because all the Pro version does is provide support for Audio CD Burning at full speed (the 3rd-party Sonic Engine is not free), and for CD ripping at full speed and with the Lame MP3 Encoder (FhG/Thomson own the mp3 patent, which HAS to be paid for to make Winamp legal software).

All other features are also included in the free Full version (including burning and ripping at 2x speed).


WMV is a proprietry Microsoft format (just like WMA). You need to install the relevant Microsoft codecs for it to work with any player. WMP8/9 itself isn't actually required, just the codecs/filters. Nullsoft/Winamp is not (cannot be) responsible for providing these codecs.


And no, there is no Linux, Mac, Beos, PocketPC, etc etc support. And more than likely, there never will be.


I now suggest that you simply go away (or at least humble yourself with an apology).

kthxbye



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Old 23rd July 2004, 04:57   #219
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Err Dj egg, whats the *whacked* for if the thread is not locked?

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Old 23rd July 2004, 05:29   #220
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Don't ya see the smiley?

Besides, it will soon be time....
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Old 23rd July 2004, 14:11   #221
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...soon...

DJEgg, good ol' teaser.

BTW, is the eMusic trial included in current betas?

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Old 23rd July 2004, 14:13   #222
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Are you looking for a custom title?
Not at all.

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Yes, you have to pay for the Pro version, because all the Pro version does is provide support for Audio CD Burning at full speed (the 3rd-party Sonic Engine is not free), and for CD ripping at full speed and with the Lame MP3 Encoder (FhG/Thomson own the mp3 patent, which HAS to be paid for to make Winamp legal software).
I could understand the MP3 patent issue (also lame, but another thread I'm sure), but come on. I don't want my audio file player to also be my cd-burner/ripper. The more complex you make it, the easier it is for something to go wrong and the harder it is to fix it.

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All other features are also included in the free Full version (including burning and ripping at 2x speed).
The download page doesn't mention that at all.

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WMV is a proprietry Microsoft format (just like WMA). You need to install the relevant Microsoft codecs for it to work with any player. WMP8/9 itself isn't actually required, just the codecs/filters. Nullsoft/Winamp is not (cannot be) responsible for providing these codecs.
That makes more sense.

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And no, there is no Linux, Mac, Beos, PocketPC, etc etc support. And more than likely, there never will be.
Why not? WinAmp is a superior player to XMMS (at least it used to be IMO, XMMS is really making some great advances IMO) and the user base is definitely there.

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I now suggest that you simply go away (or at least humble yourself with an apology).

kthxbye
I'll think about it. Until then I'll be lurking.
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Old 23rd July 2004, 14:20   #223
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Well JNagyJr I'll give one simple reason for Winamp to be Windows onlY: you would have to redo winamp all over again.

Why? Because winamp uses lots of windows libraries and it isn't completly cut off from the OS like Wasabi.

I don't know much on programing but I know this from what I've been told here on these forums.

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Not at all.
I could understand the MP3 patent issue (also lame, but another thread I'm sure), but come on. I don't want my audio file player to also be my cd-burner/ripper. The more complex you make it, the easier it is for something to go wrong and the harder it is to fix it.
You can chose not to install cd ripping support

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Why not? WinAmp is a superior player to XMMS (at least it used to be IMO, XMMS is really making some great advances IMO) and the user base is definitely there.
Not enought people to work on a port.

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Old 23rd July 2004, 18:03   #225
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No, not in the betas.
I don't know if it'll be in the 5.0F version on winamp.com
(I never download that version anyway).


@JNagyJr

"I don't want my audio file player to also be my cd-burner/ripper"

Then there's no need for you to purchase Pro then.
And, as sanosuke said, you can also uncheck "support for cd ripping/burning" in the installer, so then you won't even have the 2x burning/ripping features which come with the free version.


"The download page doesn't mention that at all"

Oh yes it does! Read first:
http://www.winamp.com/player/
http://www.winamp.com/player/free.php


"Why not?"

d3x7r0 covered the main reasons, but also because there's currently only one or two developers actually working on Winamp.
It was designed for Windows only and would require a complete rewrite to be ported to any other platform. We already tried that once with Winamp3... and that took 3 years to release an unfinished product!


And san` is right... no-one, absolutely no-one! mwuhahaha
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And san` is right... no-one, absolutely no-one! mwuhahaha
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Old 23rd July 2004, 19:26   #227
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So, I just take a couple of doses, and then I can get out of my box, yes?
Sounds good to me
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Old 23rd July 2004, 19:35   #228
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So, I just take a couple of doses, and then I can get out of my box, yes?
yup yup, that'll be fine, just do as the Dr says and you'll be in tip top shape

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Old 23rd July 2004, 22:27   #229
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I know you guys tried a port with 3 and it seemed to be going really well, why was development halted? If it's lack of betatesters, sign me up. Although it seems to be lack of programmers. Too bad really.
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Old 23rd July 2004, 22:37   #230
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I agree JNagyJr. I guess there just isn't any money in Winamp for AOL so they are pulling resources to work on their services which have an ever-shrinking market share. As AOL continues further down the spiral, things look more and more dismal for Winamp & co., shame since it is the best thing going on at AOL afaic
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Old 24th July 2004, 00:48   #231
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Winamp was ruined the day AOL bought them. ):
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Old 24th July 2004, 01:01   #232
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Winamp was ruined the day AOL bought them. ):
this is aimed at no one specific before i say things...

[rant mode]without AOL winamp would not be free, would not be where it is and i would not be ranting as i am. geez, what is this crap with oh AOL owns Winamp, etc. old news since 1999 when 2.5 was released and it became freeware instead of shareware as it was before that.

Winamp3 died because people bitched and moaned about this and that of it but now it's gone they moan that features x and y aren't in winamp (which in most cases they were never there in the 2.x series anyway).

The reason for no proper linux build is due to the fact it would need a complete re-write since winamp is too win32/windows specific. linux has players that are fine and in most cases it's just the 'look' that is wanted. the number of developers on winamp has always been low with them working on other things apart from winamp since that's just the way it is.

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5.04 will rock and be best winamp build released.[/rant mode]

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Old 24th July 2004, 01:16   #233
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I liked it when Winamp /was/ shareware. I would have been willing to send a few bucks to Justin and Co. Yes, I know it's old news and I've bitched and moaned (with a few compliments here there) since then, just not here.

And no, it's not just the look. XMMS is far from being even a Winamp 2.x although XMMS has nice features on it's own (besides the extremely modular design). The WinAmp browser for one in functionality is something I miss (I did use it on occassion).

Since AOL is already losing money on Winamp, why not go for broke and OpenSource it under any one of the various OSS licenses? It's almost gaurenteed to bring in loads of free help from very competent developers.
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The WinAmp browser for one in functionality is something I miss (I did use it on occassion).
You can find the browser in the media library under "Now Playing"
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Since AOL is already losing money on Winamp, why not go for broke and OpenSource it under any one of the various OSS licenses? It's almost gaurenteed to bring in loads of free help from very competent developers.
Microsoft isn't about to go under because they offer thier media player for free, neither is Apple. So why would you think that AOL would be in a sinking boat because they offer a media player for free?

And we repeat, NO, the Winamp 2x and 5x core won't be going OSS any time soon.

Can't you just accept that?
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I didn't say AOL is going to go under because Winamp is losing them money, but why maintain paid developers if there are hundreds of willing developers who will work for free?

No, I can't accept that.
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Oh yeah, I know how to find the browser in Winamp. Apparently you haven't been following this thread. I /use Linux/. I used to use Winamp, even did some testing of 3.x on my Linux box while it was offered. I'd rather use Winamp then XMMS (the only comparable media player that I've found so far).
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Old 24th July 2004, 02:44   #237
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you should try Beep Media Player (BMP). http://beepmp.sourceforge.net
It's a fork of XMMS ported to GTK2..
Haven't actually tried it myself (not using Linux atm) but I hear it's nice..
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but why maintain paid developers if there are hundreds of willing developers who will work for free?
Why can't those hundreds of willing developers work to improve existing players native for Linux rather then attempt to port a player that was built for windows using Windows librarys? besides, certain parts of Winamp can't be opened up because of liscensing, like some of the codecs and the ripping/burning engine.

Also, I assume people have already pointed you to the Wasabi dev forum and also to Wasabidev.org, but I figure it's woth mentioning again.
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They do, but Winamp is already mature. With a team of good developers it could be ported in a few months. And with as modular as the cd ripping/burning engine is, it could easily be replaced with something else (such as mkisofs and cdrecord).

No, I haven't been pointed there but I'm also not a developer. Just a guy with lots of ideas.
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With a team of good developers it could be ported in a few months.
that's bullshit; just below you admitted you aren't a developer so how can you know how long the porting process takes? Especially when Windows API libraries are involved.
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No, I haven't been pointed there but I'm also not a developer. Just a guy with lots of ideas.
I figure you might like to know that Winamp3 was been renamed to Wasabi.Player and Wasabidev.org has been founded in part to get Wasabi.Player (formerly Winamp3) into the open source.

[edit] Just FYI: Winamp v0.20 was released on 4-28-97 and X11AMP v1 (now known as XMMS) was released in November of that same year

now, XMMS should be just as mature as Winamp right now since it started the same year, right? So why don't you just stick with XMMS on Linux and go ask for Winamp 5-like features in their forums and stop wishing for a WA5 Linux release here in these forums OK?

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