Old 23rd June 2012, 09:22   #1
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Obama invokes executive privilege

Obama invoked executive privilege not allowing White House documents on "Fast and Furious" to be given to Congress. This is just shortly before Congress was deciding whether they wanted to hold Eric Holder in contempt for the same.

Fox News and most of the right wing press is painting this as an unprecedented move by the President. It's not unprecedented. It's not even uncommon.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ive-privilege/

We got a dead border guard because of one of the weapons? No. We got a dead border guard because someone shot him. It's not really hard to find something to shoot in Mexico or here.

Congress is fishing. From Nixon to Obama, now every President has invoked executive privilege and two of them failed. Nixon failed at Watergate. Clinton failed about Monica Lewinski. Notice Congress wasn't fishing either of those times. They had some evidence. The Supreme Court usually doesn't go along with fishing.

I think you can pick on Obama, but not for this. If I look at why he's invoked executive privilege and why the last few Presidents have, it looks like a better than average reason to me.

Here's the GAO report showing that most of the guns in Mexico's war didn't come from the US.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09709.pdf

You can see why the ATF might have wanted to inject some inventory to see if they could track it. Maybe not the brightest idea, but probably only because it didn't work.

It looks like the guns that are coming from the US are usually through private sales and not US based legal or illegal arms dealers. That's well less that 20% of the guns the Mexicans have. What they do have a lot of is Chinese AK-47's obtained illegally from China and South America. They also seem to have sources for large quantities of Chinese grenades and rocket launchers, which did not come out of your Texas gun shop.

It looks like the ATF "walked" 1400 unaccounted for AK-47 variants across the border to see if they could track the arms dealers. That sure isn't moving the needle on how many guns are in Mexico. Did it ferret out any arms dealers? We might never know.

One thing about AK-47's. There's probably enough of them that the world with never run out.

So when Diane Feinstein says "90%" of the guns in the Mexican wars are from the US and when Fox News says Barack Obama is unprecedented in exerting executive privilege, they are both full of it.

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Old 28th June 2012, 03:53   #2
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The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

By Katherine Eban


FORTUNE -- In the annals of impossible assignments, Dave Voth's ranked high. In 2009 the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives promoted Voth to lead Phoenix Group VII, one of seven new ATF groups along the Southwest border tasked with stopping guns from being trafficked into Mexico's vicious drug war.


Some call it the "parade of ants"; others the "river of iron." The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico. The ATF is hobbled in its effort to stop this flow. No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws. For six years, due to Beltway politics, the bureau has gone without permanent leadership, neutered in its fight for funding and authority. The National Rifle Association has so successfully opposed a comprehensive electronic database of gun sales that the ATF's congressional appropriation explicitly prohibits establishing one.


Voth, 39, was a good choice for a Sisyphean task. Strapping and sandy-haired, the former Marine is cool-headed and punctilious to a fault. In 2009 the ATF named him outstanding law-enforcement employee of the year for dismantling two violent street gangs in Minneapolis. He was the "hardest working federal agent I've come across," says John Biederman, a sergeant with the Minneapolis Police Department. But as Voth left to become the group supervisor of Phoenix Group VII, a friend warned him: "You're destined to fail."



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http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...+(Top+Stories)
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Old 28th June 2012, 22:11   #3
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That article argues for gun control, which is bullshit. These Mexican guns are not coming from here. They are some of the 100 million AK-47's that exist. Gun control can't un-make 100 million AK's. 100 million serpents for the garden of Eden.

So we can't nail Obama or ATF for doing their job. But it's not in any way a bully pulpit for claiming we need gun control.

Whatever political side you are on, the scuffle about these guns is practically meaningless. It's not a reason to indict Obama, and it's not an argument for gun control.

It's nothing except a sting gone wrong. It did not significantly add to the number of weapons the Mexican drug cartels have. Comparing this to Watergate, where a President had a personal interest in the investigation is idiotic.
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U.S. inspector faults federal agents in gun probe, clears Holder

The report by the department's inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, prompted two senior officials to leave the government.

Congressional Republicans investigating the mismanaged operation had accused Holder of covering it up. A report bolstering their claim would have been an embarrassment for President Barack Obama, who appointed Holder to his job, in the home stretch of the presidential campaign.

One U.S. agent was killed in Arizona, and two guns connected with the case were found at the scene of the shootout where he died.

The new report found screw-ups of "systemic" scope that risked public safety but no cover-up.

That, and a statement supportive of the report from Holder's main Republican accuser, Representative Darrell Issa, seems likely to defuse what could have been a politically explosive conclusion to the probe.

Two senior department officials left the government as the report was made public. Kenneth Melson, former head of the U.S. agency that enforces gun laws, retired, while Jason Weinstein, responsible for oversight of many criminal-related matters, resigned.

The highest-ranking person criticized, Lanny Breuer, the assistant attorney general in charge of criminal prosecutions, has been "admonished," said a department official.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88I16B20120920
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