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 14th December 2002, 12:13 #1 j0ck3 Senior Member     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 308 Does Santa Exist? Does Santa Exist? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scientists have tried to answer the question, "Does Santa come with flying reindeer to deliver presents at Christmas?" This is what they have found: No known species of reindeer can fly, but there are 300,000 species of living organims yet to be classified. Although most of these are insects and bacteria, this does not rule out flying reindeer. According to the Population Refeence Bureau, 378 million people celebrate Christmas worldwide. With an average of 3.5 children per home, that's 91.8 million homes for Santa to visit. Thanks to different time zones, Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to 822.6 visits per second. That means for each celebrating household with at least one good child in it, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, place presents under the tree, eat the cookies and return to the sleigh. Assuming that all 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed throughout the earth, the total trip time will be 75.5 million miles. That means Santa's sleigh must move at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth (the Ulysses space probe) moves at 27.4 miles per second. Assuming that each child get nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (weighing 2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying a payload of 321,300 tons, not counting jolly ol' Saint Nick himself. A standard reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even if flying reindeer might pull 10 times more than a normal reindeer, Santa would need 214,200 reindeer to pull the sleigh. The reindeer, payload, Santa and sleigh would therefore weigh more than 353,430 tons. This is four times the weight of the Q.E. II cruise ship. This 353,430 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates tremendous air resistance, heating the reindeer in the same manner as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would therefore absorb 14.3 quintillion joule of energy, per second, each. The lead reindeer, as a result will burst into flames, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating massive sonic booms in their wakes. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 0.00426 seconds. Santa will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times greater than gravity. Assuming that Santa weighs 250 pounds, he would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,375,000 pounds of centrifugal force.
 14th December 2002, 12:16 #2 Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse     Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,229 Yes.
 14th December 2002, 12:18 #3 j0ck3 Senior Member     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 308 Good!
 14th December 2002, 12:18 #4 Vie Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,000 Bilbo, just beacuse you dress up in a big red suit and give "Presents" to children dosent count! Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.
 14th December 2002, 12:23 #5 zootm Forum King     Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,375 ...and by the way, the sheriff court up here wants a word with you about that...
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Who can spot the problem in the above statement?

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ROFL!

that's brilliant!

 14th December 2002, 12:34 #8 Vie Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,000 LOL! Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.
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 14th December 2002, 12:48 #10 Jedi Gemstone Major Dudette     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wales Posts: 1,526 ****** Edited by elves for safety reasons. Children may be reading these forums. My Website Deviantartness Yay This signature was brought to you by the colour Red and the number 14 I'm A Purple Ghetto, So Follow Me To Sanity!! *Runs Off* I Have No Idea Where I'm Going......
 14th December 2002, 12:50 #11 zootm Forum King     Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,375 *fills Jedi Gemstone with cement and throws her into the firth of forth* edit:apologies for gender confusion
 14th December 2002, 12:52 #12 Vie Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,000 Zootm, hes a she. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.
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 14th December 2002, 12:55 #14 apollos Forum King   Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176 According to Anya on Buffy the vampire slayer, santa did exist a few hundred years ago but he disembowelled children rather than giving presents fun fun fun
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 14th December 2002, 13:15 #16 ctn|chrisw Forum King     Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309 ARGHHHH! ANDREW! BUFFY !=REAL!
 14th December 2002, 13:56 #17 Widdykats The Forum Slut     Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789 Jedi! How could you? My poor nephmew! Last edited by Widdykats; 18th March 2010 at 20:40.
 14th December 2002, 18:54 #18 dam Forum King     Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The foot of the bed Posts: 2,536 Jedi Santa?
 14th December 2002, 20:12 #19 eleet-2k2 Forum King     Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,381 It's a shame that you went through all that trouble to type/cut-n-paste that info, since one word disproves your theory --> magic. j/k Honestly though, have you not seen Santa Claus 2? Santa is magic, so therefore he can bend yout rules of physics and time and can make all his deliveries. Acutally, noticing on a typo of 'Santa", "Satan" could be Santa's real name. How do we know? He likes the colour red awfully much, symbolic of blood and the devil. Satan also probably posses white flames, hence the white colour, although he could just be fond of the white stuff on the ground (). As for dealing with little children giving them presents: Satan entices people, escpecially the innocent dumb children, to commit evil deeds, or sell their souls, in return for materialistic things. Thus: Santa = Satan I do believe in St. Nick (or whatever his name was, I heard about it ages ago...) (the supposed real Santa) but I know that Santa is just a character created by corporations designed to sell gifts and capitalize around Christmas, distorting the true menaing of Christmas in order to make tons o' money. "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.
 14th December 2002, 20:16 #20 Widdykats The Forum Slut     Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY Posts: 15,789 uh, shut up and stuff
 14th December 2002, 20:29 #21 Shenlong Forum King     Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: About 38°N, 86°W Posts: 2,905 Santa's not a devil, he's a saint. Come on, Saint Nicholas?! A very close Japanese friend I knew a while ago once said to me "Watashi no koto wo oboeta, onegai shimasu...Yakusoku?" I forgot his name though...
 14th December 2002, 20:32 #22 eleet-2k2 Forum King     Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,381 Oh come on, it was a joke! Jeez... "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.
 14th December 2002, 21:05 #23 hgnis Hobbit Humper Forum King     Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: banned camp Posts: 4,122 yay for good ole Saint Nick. [SIZE=1/4]....hopefully I'll not get a piece of coal now...[/SIZE]
 14th December 2002, 21:10 #24 I am Jesus Major Dude   Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Your mom Posts: 1,555 I molested sana
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What?!I didn't do anything to your cat what are you on about and I thought I told you before I hate the colour pink or do you not understand english shall I say it in french?
Je deteste le rose
or shall I put it down in italian too?
Odio il colore rosa
and if you dont understand that here it is in german
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 14th December 2002, 21:18 #26 hestermofet Major Dude     Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,763 "Oh, come on Lisa, everyone knows that leprechauns died out years ago!" For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned.
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14th December 2002, 21:29   #28
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 Originally posted by 31337-2k2 I do believe in St. Nick (or whatever his name was, I heard about it ages ago...) (the supposed real Santa) but I know that Santa is just a character created by corporations designed to sell gifts and capitalize around Christmas, distorting the true menaing of Christmas in order to make tons o' money.
Wasn't the whole point of CHRISTmas, to celebrate his christs birth?

Somewhere in time it got confused.

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 14th December 2002, 21:39 #29 hestermofet Major Dude     Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,763 That is the (supposed) significance of the date, but it is not the meaning of the holiday. The red-and-white fat man with the big bushy white beard is a creation of Coca-Cola. Still in use today in their Christmas-time ad campaign. For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned.
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 Originally posted by hestermofet That is the (supposed) significance of the date, but it is not the meaning of the holiday. The red-and-white fat man with the big bushy white beard is a creation of Coca-Cola. Still in use today in their Christmas-time ad campaign.

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14th December 2002, 22:11   #31
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 Originally posted by Jedi Gemstone [B] What?!I didn't do anything to your cat what are you on about and I thought I told you before I hate the colour pink or do you not understand english shall I say it in french? Je deteste le rose or shall I put it down in italian too? Odio il colore rosa and if you dont understand that here it is in german Ich hasse Pink I'm only joking around [ /B]
honest, all children of all ages want to believe in Santa.

 14th December 2002, 22:16 #32 Aquila Blue Major Dude     Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Digital World Posts: 908 The piece, "Yes, Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus," is a classic. It was written in 1897 by Francis P. Church, the editor of the now-defunct New York Sun. He wrote it in response to this letter: "Dear Editor: I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, 'If you see it in the Sun, it's so.' Please tell me the truth. Is there a Santa Claus?" -- Virginia O'Hanlon "Dear Virginia: Your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except what they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. "In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. "There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished. "Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. "The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in this world. "You tear apart the baby's rattle to see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. "Only faith, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. "No Santa Claus? Thank God he lives, and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood." The sentimental answer
 15th December 2002, 01:00 #33 hestermofet Major Dude     Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,763 "Lots of things are invisible, but we don't know how many because we can't see them." -Dennis the Menace For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned.
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 15th December 2002, 12:29 #35 LawnGnome2005 Major Dude     Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 598 I know a kid that still believes in Santa... He's 16 years old... you would think the secret would have slipped by now.
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 Originally posted by j0ck3 Does Santa Exist? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scientists have tried to answer the question, "Does Santa come with flying reindeer to deliver presents at Christmas?" This is what they have found: No known species of reindeer can fly, but there are 300,000 species of living organims yet to be classified. Although most of these are insects and bacteria, this does not rule out flying reindeer. According to the Population Refeence Bureau, 378 million people celebrate Christmas worldwide. With an average of 3.5 children per home, that's 91.8 million homes for Santa to visit. Thanks to different time zones, Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to 822.6 visits per second. That means for each celebrating household with at least one good child in it, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, place presents under the tree, eat the cookies and return to the sleigh. Assuming that all 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed throughout the earth, the total trip time will be 75.5 million miles. That means Santa's sleigh must move at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth (the Ulysses space probe) moves at 27.4 miles per second. Assuming that each child get nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (weighing 2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying a payload of 321,300 tons, not counting jolly ol' Saint Nick himself. A standard reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even if flying reindeer might pull 10 times more than a normal reindeer, Santa would need 214,200 reindeer to pull the sleigh. The reindeer, payload, Santa and sleigh would therefore weigh more than 353,430 tons. This is four times the weight of the Q.E. II cruise ship. This 353,430 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates tremendous air resistance, heating the reindeer in the same manner as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would therefore absorb 14.3 quintillion joule of energy, per second, each. The lead reindeer, as a result will burst into flames, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating massive sonic booms in their wakes. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 0.00426 seconds. Santa will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times greater than gravity. Assuming that Santa weighs 250 pounds, he would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,375,000 pounds of centrifugal force.
ROFLMAO...
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 Originally posted by hestermofet The red-and-white fat man with the big bushy white beard is a creation of Coca-Cola. Still in use today in their Christmas-time ad campaign.
I'm afraid you are wrong, here. Santa Claus has a much longer history than that, and he existed in his present form for some time before Coca-Cola came along. Coca-Cola just sort of cemented him into the American mind.

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 A long excerpt from http://www.northpolesantaclaus.com/santahistory.htm In the 1600's, the Dutch presented Sinterklaas (meaning St. Nicholas) to the colonies. In their excitement, many English-speaking children uttered the name so quickly that Sinterklaas sounded like Santy Claus. After years of mispronunciation, the name evolved into Santa Claus. In 1808, American author Washington Irving created a new version of old St. Nick. This one rode over the treetops in a horse drawn wagon "dropping gifts down the chimneys of his favorites." In his satire, Diedrich Knickerbocker's History of New York from the Beginning of the World to the End of the Dutch Dynasty, Irving described Santa as a jolly Dutchman who smoked a long stemmed clay pipe and wore baggy breeches and a broad brimmed hat. Also, the familiar phrase, "...laying his finger beside his nose...," first appeared in Irving's story. That phrase was used again in 1822 in the now-classic poem by Dr. Clement Clarke Moore, "A Visit from St. Nicholas," more commonly know as "The Night Before Christmas." His verse gave an Arctic flavor to Santa's image when he substituted eight tiny reindeer and a sleigh for Irving's horse and wagon. It is Moore's description of Santa that we most often think of today: "He had a broad face, and a little round belly, that shook, when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly." Up to this point, Santa's physical appearance and the color of his suit were open to individual interpretation. Then in 1863, Thomas Nast, a German immigrant, gave us a visual image of the cheerful giver that was to later become widely accepted. When Nast was asked to illustrate Moore's charming verse for a book of children's poems, he gave us a softer, kinder Santa who was still old but appeared less stern than the ecclesiastical St. Nicholas. He dressed his elfin figure in red and endowed him with human characteristics. Most important of all, Nast gave Santa a home at the North Pole. For twenty-three years, his annual drawings in Harpers Weekly magazine allowed Americans to peek into the magical world of Santa Claus and set the stage for the shaping of today's merry gentleman. Artist Haddon Sundblom added the final touches to Santa's modern image. Beginning in 1931, his billboard and other advertisements for Coca Cola-Cola featured a portly, grandfatherly Santa with human proportions and a ruddy complexion. Sunblom's exuberant, twinkle-eyed Santa firmly fixed the gift-giver's image in the public mind.

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 15th December 2002, 18:12 #38 zootm Forum King     Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,375 i'm not quite sure about the authenticity of all of that. i do know there was a santa that was green before there was a red one.
 15th December 2002, 18:17 #39 Curi0us_George Forum King     Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179 I found equivalent info from a number of other sources. I'm pretty sure that it is fairly accurate. P.S. Santa has gone through a ton of "revisions". I don't doubt that he once wore green. In his more elven years, it's quite likely. For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00
 15th December 2002, 18:20 #40 zootm Forum King     Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,375 fair enough. it was the lack of info on the green one i was worried about, rather than the wealth of info on the red one
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