Old 5th February 2008, 17:11   #1
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Tech Hunt - Need a new mainboard

So I'm hunting around for a new mainboard and not really having much luck in finding what I want...

So heres the scope of what I'm looking for..

It must be able to support the following and be intel pentium based...

Dual Core CPU
Multiple usb x 6 minimum
PCI slots x4 minimum
AGP slot
SLI compatible
4 gig RAM or more

So any ideas? Recommends?



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Old 5th February 2008, 18:52   #2
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I recommend you not stick with "intel pentium based." Pentiums are old hat, I'd much more highly recommend a Core 2 Duo.

AGP and SLI are incompatible. You want PCI Express. AGP is also old hat, and you will not find the newest cards in AGP.

You will not be able to address 4GB of memory or more with a 32 bit version of Windows. In order to address that much memory, you need a 64 bit version (XP x64 or Vista 64-bit).


This board comes highly recommended from me (and many others). Only has 3 PCI slots, but you're unlikely to find any with more than that nowadays, as the extra space is taken up by PCI Express slots.

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Old 5th February 2008, 20:26   #3
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Thanks GG

em core 2 duos are by pentium I thought?

anyway I been looking at this board

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku...ed#ProductTabs

SPECS:

Product Type Motherboard
Form Factor ATX
Width 30.5 cm
Depth 24.5 cm
Compatible Processors Pentium 4, Celeron D, Pentium Extreme Edition, Pentium D, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Quad
64-bit Processors Compatibility Built-in
Processor Socket LGA775 Socket
Multi-Core Support Dual-Core / Quad-core
Chipset Type NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
Max Bus Speed 1333 MHz
BIOS Type Award
Storage Controller ATA-133, Serial ATA-300 (RAID), eSATA port
Power Connectors 24-pin main power connector, 8-pin ATX12V connector
Processor
Installed Qty (Max Supported) 0 ( 1 )
Memory
Supported RAM Technology DDR II SDRAM
Supported RAM Integrity Check Non-ECC
RAM Installed ( Max ) 0 MB / 8 GB (max)
Supported RAM Speed PC2-4300, PC2-6400, PC2-5300
RAM Features Unbuffered, two DDR channels
Audio
Audio Output Sound card
Signal Processor SupremeFX
Audio Codec AD1988B
Sound Output Mode 7.1 channel surround
Compliant Standards Digital Theater Systems (DTS)
Telecom / Networking
Networking Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet
Features
BIOS Features DMI 2.0 support, WfM 2.0 support, Multilingual BIOS, SMBIOS 2.3 support, ASUS EZ Flash 2, ASUS MyLogo3, ASUS O.C. Profile
Manual Settings CPU frequency
Sleep / Wake Up Wake on LAN (WOL), wake on ring (WOR)
Hardware Features Chassis intrusion detection, C.P.R. (CPU Parameter Recall), jack retasking, ASUS AI NOS (Non-delay Overclocking System), Stack Cool 2, ASUS SATA on the Go, heat pipe chipset cooling, NVIDIA SLI Technology Support, ASUS Q-Connector, ASUS Q-Fan Plus, LCD Poster, Onboard LED, Onboard Switch
Expansion / Connectivity
Expansion Slot(s) 1 processor - LGA775 Socket
4 memory - DIMM 240-pin
2 PCI Express x16 ( SLI: full x16, x16 mode )
1 PCI Express x16 ( x8 mode )
1 PCI Express x1
2 PCI
Storage Interfaces Serial ATA-300 - connector(s): 6 x 7pin Serial ATA - 6 Device(s) - RAID 0 / RAID 1 / RAID 0+1 / RAID 5 / JBOD
ATA-133 - connector(s): 1 x 40pin IDC - 2 Device(s)
Silicon Image SiI3132 : Serial ATA-300 - connector(s): 2 x 7pin external SATA - 2 Device(s)
Interfaces 1 x keyboard - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style)
1 x mouse - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style)
1 x audio - SPDIF output - TOSLINK
1 x audio - SPDIF output - RCA
2 x storage - eSATA - 7 pin external Serial ATA
2 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) - 6 PIN FireWire
6 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 PIN USB Type A
2 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - RJ-45
1 x audio - line-out (centre/subwoofer) - mini-phone 3.5mm
1 x audio - line-out (side surround) - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
1 x audio - line-out (rear) - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
1 x audio - line-out - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
1 x microphone - input - mini-phone 3.5mm
1 x audio - line-In - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
Additional Connectors (Optional) 4 x Hi-Speed USB
Miscellaneous
Included Accessories Andrea Superbeam Array Microphone
Cables Included 1 x SLI bridge
1 x IDE cable
1 x floppy cable
1 x IEEE 1394 panel
1 x USB panel
Serial ATA cable
Serial ATA power adapter
Software Included Drivers & Utilities, ASUS Live Update, ASUS PC Probe 2, ASUS AI Booster, Kaspersky Anti-Virus, Futuremark 3DMark 06 Advanced Edition, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

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Old 5th February 2008, 21:09   #4
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be careful with the Asus Striker Extreme motherboards

A small but good portion of people have run into problems with the that motherboard. People have had it "dead on arrival", not function with RAM and other parts properly.
This is not to say that the Asus Striker Extreme won't work for you, but like General Geoff recommended, the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L is a stable motherboard with decent features for the price.

If you are looking for a higher end mainboard that is similar to Asus Striker Extreme, you may want to look else where, or even at other high-end models from ASUS. but the Striker Extreme product family has always seemed a bit buggy.
But like any product, the ASUS striker Extreme might work perfectly.


I actually chose the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L over higher end mainboards to save money,
and I don't regret it.

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I can play Call of Duty 4 on max, practically all games on max with 8x anti-aliasing, and I can actually play Crysis.It also render 3D images well. So you don't need Striker Extreme to enjoy a great computer

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Old 5th February 2008, 21:16   #5
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Old 5th February 2008, 21:27   #6
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Old 6th February 2008, 16:54   #7
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Re: Tech Hunt - Need a new mainboard

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Originally posted by Smeggle
It must be able to support the following and be intel pentium [LGA 775 compatable]...

Dual Core CPU
Multiple usb x 6 minimum
PCI slots x4 minimum
AGP slot
SLI compatible
4 gig RAM or more
You're not going to find a board that is SLI compatable, and has AGP & more than 2-3 PCI slots. I don't know why you would want AGP since it's been completely replaced by PCI-E anyway. So anyhow, this is what I found:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130081

Specs:
LGA 775 socket
Supports 8GB max RAM
3 PCI Slots
2 PCI-E x16 Slots
1 PCI-E x1 Slot
4 SATA 3GB/S Slots (Which is good because SATA has practically replaced IDE as the hard drive standard)
4 USB 2.0 Ports (with support for more on your case)
NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI north bridge (supports SLI)

The only problem with this board is that the second PCI-E x16 slot only runs at x8 when in SLI. If that's going to be an issue with you, then you'll have to find a board with a 680i or 780i north bridge, which also means you'll probably have to give up that third PCI slot. It sucks, but that's how MoBo manufacturers do it.


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This board comes highly recommended from me (and many others). Only has 3 PCI slots, but you're unlikely to find any with more than that nowadays, as the extra space is taken up by PCI Express slots.
Yes, but that board only has 1 PCI-E x16 slot, which means no SLI.

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be careful with the Asus Striker Extreme motherboards

A small but good portion of people have run into problems with the that motherboard. People have had it "dead on arrival", not function with RAM and other parts properly.
Yeah, I've heard bad things about that MoBo too. If you're gonna get it, make sure whatever store you buy it from has a good RMA/exchange policy.


Oh, and while I'm here, allow me to make some other suggestions (these are all assuming that you'll be building your PC within the next month):

Processor: ATM, the only ones you should be interested in are the Core 2 Duo E8xxx (Wolfdale) series. For under $240, the E8400 gives you essentially the fastest Intel processor you can buy, short of spending $1000. Shortly, the E8500 will be out, providing you with a 3.6GHz and 9.5x multiplier (as opposed to 3.0GHz and a 9x multiplier. If you're not going to be doing any overclocking, then the E8400 (or E8200, if you're strapped for cash) will suit you just fine.
/I almost forgot to mention that unless you get a MoBo with a 780i north bridge, you'll probably need a BIOS update in order to support Wolfdale series Core 2 Duos.

Graphics card(s): You shouldn't even consider anything other than the 512MB GeForce 8800GT. $250 will get you the best performance money can buy. Put two of these babies in SLI, and you will be unstoppable (You'll even be able to play Crysis on High/Very High).
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If he's looking for only a new mainboard, it's likely he's not wanting to build a new system, but rather needs a main board that will work with his other, existing hardware (AGP video adapter, PCI cards, etc.)

Smeggle, can you clarify your overall goal... Building a new system? Or for now do you just need a main board which will work with the rest of your hardware?

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Old 7th February 2008, 07:13   #9
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Haha, good luck finding a *new* board that will support his existing hardware.

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A source I've always liked for hardware recommendations is Dan Bernstein's standard workstation page. Keep in mind that that system uses ECC memory, which is a bit more expensive, but far more reliable.

The motherboard mentioned there (the Asus P5W DH Deluxe) has everything you wanted, except of course AGP support (no new motherboards do AGP anymore).

Edit: Don't buy off-brand motherboards, memory, or power supplies. It's not worth it, unless you're *really* broke.

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Actually, I just bought one a few months ago that supported that hardware. If that is the goal, then www.globalcomputer.com .
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Look through the site fc*uk linked before venturing into my suggestion. If you can find a standard, brand-name motherboard that will meet your needs, then you won't need to screw around with the potential compatibility issues below. What I suggest should be considered a last resort.
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I've kept many an EOL computer in service by installing Dell main boards in non-Dell machines, as there are many Dell-brand main board openly available from third-party vendors, and are of sufficient quality that I've never had one fail. I occasionally need an ATX plate and/or a power supply meeting the specific power requirements of the main board, and I often have to "modify" the back panel of the case to accommodate the on-board ports of the main board. Their boards are usually standard in all other necessary ways except (sometimes) power requirements and mounting holes. But considering your requirements, Smeggle, one of these may be your best - or perhaps only - shot. [url=http://www.impactcomputers.com/h1290.html]Here is a list of Dell main boards[url], several of which meet your requirements of 4 PCI slots, 1 AGP slot, 4 memory slots and 6 USB ports, and supporting Intel Pentium processors.

NOTE: SLI support is a feature you will probably not find on any of these main boards. If you can sacrifice that requirement, then one of these may serve all of your others.

I've looked through several other major manufacturers today, and the only other options would likely be archived, EOL (end-of-life) products that will be very to find actually available for purchase.

Best Case Scenario: All you'll need is the Dell main board, and it'll work perfectly with all of your other components right out of the box.

Worst Case Scenario: You'll need to also replace your power supply, and you'll need an ATX adapter plate and a power drill to match the mounting holes in the Dell main board. A somewhat ugly solution, but it can meet all of your requirements for a reasonable cost.

There are a lot more variables with the main board than with most other components, since almost everything in your system depends on it. I'm maintaining my father's old Compaq Presario with an ancient AMD Athlon 2800+ CPU and a Compaq system board with 2 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot. I just replaced the power supply (with the only replacement in the world that will work with it) and installed a new (not new technology, new factory-sealed) Visiontek ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP video adapter. I should at least be thankful that the USB ports are version 2.0. So, as you can see, needing EOL technology greatly limits your options but it is still practical in many cases.

I know you've already done this, but taking a moment to consider the options available to you: (A) Build a new system from the ground up, meeting all modern desktop PC standards; (B) Go with a main board that meets your requirements today, except be ready for some "rigging" to make it compatible as described above; (C) Go with what you have until you can afford plan A.

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