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I'll try this once more.

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I'll try this once more.
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Old 5th May 2007, 13:27   #83
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Old 5th May 2007, 13:56   #84
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I fixed it. Some Intel speedstep thing was enabled in the BIOS. I'm not going to try to post another screenshot. Don't need to now. You may delete all the duplicate posts(or leave them if you want).

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Old 5th May 2007, 14:55   #85
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Old 6th May 2007, 04:22   #86
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One more question:

Is it possible to assume that it's up to me?

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Hey, have you given Alter Bridge a listen. It's Creed without annoying Scott Stapp on vocals.
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Old 6th May 2007, 18:56   #88
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Yea. It's a good group. I think Tremonti has a better voice than Kennedy does though. I do still enjoy some Creed every now and then though.

Stapp's album isn't as good as I thought it would be. I do like the songs "The Great Divide" and "Broken"(and that's about it).

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Old 27th July 2007, 23:40   #89
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Since I've last posted in this thread I made the 120mm fan an exhaust fan. The system is a bit cooler. Runs between 40-50C surfing the net in a warm room full speed. Can't get the speedstep thing to kick in for some reason since I tried to install my video card driver(Radeon X1050). I also bought a DVD burner which good for backing up movies.

Total cost of the computer build so far is about $400.
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Old 17th March 2008, 06:39   #90
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I finally decided to build a new computer yet again. I'm done trying to upgrade stuff in my current computer. I've put around $500 into this thing. It should be fine for a while but I'm wanting something a bit newer and easier/cheaper to upgrade. I'll have to start saving up obviously but within a couple months I should have enough cash for something semi-decent($400-$500).

Any suggestions for new hardware? Only looking for CPU, RAM, video card and mobo suggestions(recycling a few things from current).


Current computer specs:

3.2GHZ P4
1GB DDR400(2x512MB)
MSI MS-7211(mobo)
GeForce 7600GS
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80GB WD HD(WD800JB)
350watt generic PSU(came with case)

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I'd say that box is already above what I would call semi-decent.

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It is a great computer but it doesn't have much upgrade ability. The mobo has only 2 RAM slots and the RAM is a bit expensive(184pin DDR400 2GB max) and AGP. I just want something similar but with better upgrade options.

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This should give you the general idea:


Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX - $90

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e8400 - $185 (but good luck finding it at that price right now due to demand. If you can't get a hold of one, then you'll have to settle with a e8200 or e6750/6600)

RAM: Any DDR2 800 or 1066 stick(s) should be fine, as long as you get 2GB - $40-80

GPU: nVidia GeForce 9600GT - $165


All of the above should cost you no more than $450-500. If you plan on a lot of gaming, you could probably sacrifice a bit on the CPU (by getting a e6300 or 6400 -- remember, games are less dependent on processor power nowadays), so that you could boost your graphics horsepower by getting a lot more powerful (but last gen) 8800GT or 8800GTS G92.

Again, all of this should give you the general idea of what to get; I'm not trying to be specific or whatever here...

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I've figured all the parts now. All I have to do is wait for a long long time.

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By then you'll be able to afford something better since the price will drop.

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Buy ram by the truckload along with CPU horsepower. Applications are not even close to ready to really take advantage of multiple cores.

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But keep in mind that 32bit OSs can only use somewhat more than 3GB.
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I thought it was 4GB?

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By then you'll be able to afford something better since the price will drop.
That just means I'll be paying less than what it is currently.

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Old 19th March 2008, 04:53   #100
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I thought it was 4GB?
Depends how you look at it.

The MMU has 24 address lines = 4GB, but that includes all mapped memory.

So, if you have a graphics card with 512MB of memory, that leaves only 3.5GB of memory space for RAM.

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Depends how you look at it.

The MMU has 24 address lines = 4GB, but that includes all mapped memory.

So, if you have a graphics card with 512MB of memory, that leaves only 3.5GB of memory space for RAM.

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True enough, but PAE can extend that.

The real limitation in 32-bit Windows is built in -- 32-bit client versions of Windows *do not* use more than 4GB of memory, ever. It's a built-in limitation.

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I just bought a new Dell computer cause one I bought a few months ago that was custom built seems to be freezing spontaneously. I don't know what is causing it, but its a sign i need a new computer.
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No, it's a sign that you don't know what you're doing.

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No, it's a sign that you don't know what you're doing.

I'll gladly take it off your hands for you.
I'll second that motion. All in favor say aye.

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By then you'll be able to afford something better since the price will drop.
Yep yep... I'm building a computer finally. When I get paid on Wednesday, I'm going to order the parts. I have to do the whole thing in 2 "phases" as it would cost too much for all at once.

Phase 1: CPU, MOBO, RAM and case(~$300 after taxes&shipping)
Phase 2: Video and hard drive(and possibly a CPU cooler)(~$230 after taxes&shipping)

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Calling my ex a primate is probably a compliment.

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I am also building a new computer. I got a QX6850 via the Intel RetailEdge Accommodations program, which apparently doesn't play well with my older motherboard, so I ordered the DDR2 Rampage. Should be here in a few days, I'll report back.
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I'm still running a plain old P4 2.8 with 1 gb of ram and a radeon 9500. You're making me feel like my pc is a huge POS that hasn't been updated in three years.

Oh wait, it is. Never mind.

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I'm a bit of a cheapskate... I'm only getting a C2D E7200.

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I'm still running a plain old P4 2.8 with 1 gb of ram and a radeon 9500. You're making me feel like my pc is a huge POS that hasn't been updated in three years.

Oh wait, it is. Never mind.
Most of my posts on these boards are made while on an extremely early P4 1.3 with 384 MB R.D. RAM from 2001. Its only updates include bigger hard drives, USB 2.0 card, and a better sound card than the original. This all happened years ago though. It will be replaced this year, but I just haven't had time to research what I need. This is a rather slow computer, but still does everything I need, but again, very slowly.

Perhaps I should post more on this thread and ask suggestions - I'll be spending anywhere between $0 and $4,000.00. Yes, a wide range.

I'd like my new basement computer to last as well as this one did. It's a Dell Dimension 8100 that lasted more than 7 years.

Most of what I do involves office software including rather demanding outlook and excel use, media editing software (including pinnacle for video, photoshop and paint shop pro for images, acid pro and audacity for sound loop editing and recording, band-in-a-box for jazz accompaniment production, music notation software such as finale, encore, and sibelius, massive media storage (more than 1 TB worth of files), light gaming (battlefield 1942 online), acting as a server for a 4-6 workstation wireless home network, and of course Winamp (including demanding AVS work) The old machine was a frequent and believe it or not reliable dj tool, but hasn't been this past year due to my move to a rather dead area (no market for DJs).

As you can imagine, doing all this is nearly (but still not) impossible for this machine.

I guess what I'm looking for is something that is very able to be upgraded, yet also extremely well equipped by today's standards so that a few years from now it could be still be acceptable, and many years from now still able to be upgraded to maintain usability.

Are there motherboards out there that support a rather large number of drives (both SATA and PATA)? I'd like to be able to add the old PATA drives/devices to the new SATA ones that come with the new computer if possible.

I'd like to have an external ESATA connection for my portable hard drives so that backing up huge storage drives can happen quickly.

I could go on and on, but it seems that I need just about every high-end spec that one could get, except maybe not quite so much record-breaking video card ability since I don't do much gaming.

My biggest demands would be on the sound card as I like to mess with sound environments and I do a lot of recording and editing of audio. I would like a CPU that runs demanding AVS presets effortlessly, even if an indexing service or scan starts unexpectedly. I would like RAM that can help me multitask quickly. I would like hard drives that read fast enough to open a big program and file without having to whistle the Jeopardy theme while there's an hour glass next to my mouse pointer. That's one of my biggest pet peeves.

I often come home from work and open firefox, Outlook, instant messaging programs, Word, Excel, Winamp, and the Creative EAX surround mixer to tweak a reverb/eq environment setting, while on a skinned version of windows that is always indexing for searches, and it takes several minutes for everything to get open and stable enough to use. I hate that and want a computer that will make this faster.

I hate the blank screen with "Generating preview..." when trying to quickly scroll through pictures too.

Any suggestions on what I need or is this too much rambling?

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This is a little tough. Right now we are leaving the DDR2 memory standard and LGA775 CPU socket world. Slowly, and not yet in retail, but it's happening. Of course there will always be change around the corner, but I don't think I can recommend going with a DDR2-level computer right now if you're building from scratch. Which is the only way to buy.

The Ars Technica Guides (specifically, their Hot Rod class) is a great starting point. But if you're going to be building, a lot of the fun comes from figuring out what you want, looking at reviews, and picking the parts yourself. Newegg is great for this. And I'd say Ars sometimes puts their priorities in the wrong places. They overspend in some places and underspend in others.

If you want more specific pointers, I'd be more than willing to offer some. I've been spending a good bit of time over the past weeks doing hardware research so I'm pretty fresh.
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I made a huge mistake when I bought a mobo with RD RAM. My CPU socket turned out to be a rare size too. I don't want to make those kinds of mistakes again.

I hate not knowing what will happen in the market when trying to prepare a good box.

I'll check out your link. I've been using newegg for a lot of stuff lately and have no complaints thus far.

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One more thing before I pass out. ALWAYS read all three builds from Ars. They class their parts a little weird sometimes, my previous builds have sourced parts from all three classes in the same box. Decide what level of performance you want from what component, the price point you're comfortable with, and go from there.

Also, you MUST go to Tom's Hardware Charts Section. Great comparisons there for the performance-bearing parts of your system. The rest of the site is of debatable worth, and I don't care for their reviews, but their charts are invaluable. Of course, you might frequent the site already, but more suggestions are better than fewer IMO.
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It's almost overwhelming trying to figure out what I would need. A lot of questions come up:

Do any of today's mobos have the ability to support both SATA, external eSATA, and the older PATA (so that I can still add in my old hard drives)? Are there faster hard drive types that I should consider for fast multi-program opening? Also, the power supply would have to be able to support both old and new plug designs.

Do any of today's high end mobos leave out the video and audio so that I can just get separate cards for both without paying extra for (or losing resources to) on-board sound or video?

What kind of cards would I need to run video to a TV? Are there some with both HDMI and S-Video or is it one or the other? Also, is there a way I could have a RCA input to make VHS video cassettes into hard drive stored movies?

In terms of a sound card - I really hate the plugs being so damn close together - many of my wires are too fat to fit beside each other. I hope to have something with optical out too, since my receiver doesn't accept digital RCA - just optical for surround. I also use Creative's EAX features a lot.

The links you posted seem helpful. I'll probably be looking for something between Ars's "Hot Rod" and "God box" computer.

Oddly enough, I probably won't buy mouse, keyboard, or printer. Maybe a monitor, but this 17" CRT runs a rather clean 1600x1200. I'm in the market for a wireless mouse for work, but that's a separate issue.

I'm probably asking too much out of one box, but there's a lot I do with computers.

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Lots of motherboards--most--will support both SATA and PATA drives. If you perform a power search at Newegg, and select both as a requirement, you will get over 300 motherboards. The eSata isn't too much of a deal-breaker either way, though, because eSata ports come on expansion cards the same way most USB ports did originally. So you could add that in to any computer, given expansion space.

Most power supplies, virtually all of them, will have power connections for both kinds of drives as well. But even if you happen upon one that is missing one or the either, there are very cheap (<$5) power adapters that would convert between Molex and SATA connectors.

Most motherboards will have onboard audio, although a few more will not have onboard video. However, this is also largely irrelevant. Cost for these components is nominal, and there is almost always a method for disabling them through BIOS so there is no interference with aftermarket parts from the onboard outputs.

Most video cards will have breakout ports, which (as the name suggests) harbor detachable breakout cables that will put a signal out to a television. The previous standard here was S-Video, but now we are in the transition period between breakout cables and straightforward HDMI.

Reading your question, though, you seem to be wanting media center-esque connections rather than gaming graphics (the traditional use for add-on video cards). You can run both, incidentally. But yes, a TV tuner card can give you an RCA or coax input. You could watch cable on your computer if you so chose; the only restrictions might relate to use of digital account cards used by some television services.

Plenty of sound cards offer optical outputs. ALWAYS confirm, though, that the card does have the physical connection rather than a breakout/conversion cable/dongle which is often sold separately at high expense only from the original manufacturer, or of inferior quality, or both. Creative is particularly bad about this, but they have a new PCI-E sound card out with the proper connections.

Suffice to say, you'd have a bit more asking to do before you'd exhaust the capability of a box. The problem from where you stand is the overwhelming amount of information out there. Components that were taken for granted only a few years ago now have thriving markets with huge competition and heavy knowledge requirements. Perhaps the biggest example of this is the aftermarket CPU cooler world. See what I mean? There are dozens of manufacturers in the space, with varying compatibility to the dozens of motherboard designs out there...not to mention the impact of different classes of product and expected performance in key areas. Needs are so different,top ten lists ranked by one performance measure exclusively normally encounter zero overlap. Meaning there's nothing close to an all-around "best" out there.

But system building is fun. Remember, the Power Search is your friend (And ALWAYS sort by best reviews; then sort reviews by helpfulness when you're on a product page!). If you need component-specific information, try http://www.hardforum.com/. The userbase is very varied, and I wouldn't recommend posting without doing lots of research (this happens so frequently they don't take it well)...but the level of knowledge there is very high. A simple search is likely to garner multiple threads about any single component you could want. If you want build ideas, their General Hardware Forum is perhaps the most useful. Builds are vetted there every day, ad nauseum.

Sorry for the wall of text--but like you say, this can be overwhelming for a new builder or someone who hasn't built in a few years. Hope it helps before it falls over and brains someone.
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It looks like when I want a motherboard with SATA and PATA, I can't get the fast DDR3 RAM that I would like. I'd like to get ultra fast storage drives for programs and the OS, but would also like to keep my old PATA drives for storage if possible.

Can I maybe get expansion cards to support up to 4 old PATA drives? If so, are there cases that have enough 3.5" slots for up to 4-6 total hard drives? And, if so, would PATA cables be long enough to get from the expansion card to the hard drives? From what I understand, each PATA plug supports 2 devices, so maybe an expansion card with 2 PATA plugs would be good if available, or two cards with one PATA plug if not?

(still lost on most of this stuff)

I'm working with your links, and I appreciate the "wall of text" as I could use every little bit of advice I could get.

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