Old 25th April 2008, 15:52   #1
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New Congressional Bill on Mary Jane

ZERO liklihood that this passes, but here you go:
H.R. 5843, The Act to Remove Federal Penalties for the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults

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Old 29th April 2008, 16:09   #2
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ZERO liklihood that this passes, but here you go:
H.R. 5843, The Act to Remove Federal Penalties for the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults

hxxp://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5843.html
Are you fucking KIDDING ME LOL,

BOO FUCKING HOOOOO ! lol

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Old 29th April 2008, 23:42   #3
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H.R. 5843 is described as an "Act to Remove Federal Penalties for Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults". The bill has been introduced by US Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) and co-sponsored by US Presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX). If passed, this legislation would legalize the possession, use and non-for-profit of up to 100 grams (3.5 ounces) of Marijuana. Under this legislation, adults who consume Marijuana would no longer face arrest, prison or civil fines.

This bill will not affect federal laws prohibiting the sale of Marijuana for profit, nor the import, export and cultivation of Marijuana. It will also not alter the legal status of Marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug according to the Controlled Substances Act.
Status of the Legislation

Latest Major Action: 4/17/2008: Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
Points in Favor

- States Rights: Allows states to decide if and how they wish to prosecute possessors of small quantities of Marijuana. By eliminating federal penalties for such possession, the Commerce Clause will no longer pre-empt state law with respect to low-level possession.

- Cost: Would reduce cost of federal law enforcement efforts that are disproportionate to the alleged cost of self-harm. Law enforcement resources should be used to prevent harm-to-others, not self-harm.

- Law Enforcement: Allows law enforcement to more thoroughly address activities that cause harm-to-others by relieving officers, agents, prosecutors, and judges of legal duty to enforce a law which has been enacted to prevent harm-to-self.

- Personal Liberties: Live and let live. The bill would allow states to determine whether people should be able to use marijuana in the privacy of their home. So long as the users aren't harming anyone, it is extremely offensive to brand them as criminals and force them to live in fear.
Points Against

- Action Required at State Level: The bill would divest the federal government of authority to prosecute low-level possession, but state laws would still need to be changed for responsible users to be protected, except potentially in Alaska.


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Old 30th April 2008, 00:19   #4
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Come on. Lets be real.

Unless you got kg quantities on you or are stupid enough to spark a joint like you would spark a cig in public, do police officers really fucking care? No.

Does anyone? No.
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I got kicked out of my apartment in PA because I had maybe one gram of pot. The cops just gave me a ticket. (Which I never paid, I just moved back to TN)

My landlord set me up. He was trying to bust my roomate (well former roomate, he had moved into his own apartment a few days prior). He was selling pot\cocaine, and had just sold two ounces (pot) before we picked him up. We dropped him off at his apartment, and BOOM the cops and our landlord pulled up.

The next day me and my then girlfriend crammed all of our crap into her little Hyundai and drove back here. Where she was soon impregnated by my best friend.

Long story short. Pot saved me from getting that slut pregnant.

I'd shit a brick if this passed. Although it would alleviate some of the paranoia that comes along with smoking pot.
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Old 30th April 2008, 19:58   #6
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Legalize it already. It's my belief that when teenagers or adults go through drastic lengths to hide their use of something, you have more of a hazard on your hands.
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I don't want it legalized. Somebody I work with smokes that stuff and is always messing around and doesn't do any work especially when he's high.

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So you want to punish everyone else 'cause you work with a chump? Newsflash: this co-worker will shirk work no matter if he's smoking, drinking or sober as a judge. And there is someone like him on nearly every job you'll ever have. another newsflash. Just cause it's legalized doesn't mean it will be allowed at work. For instance, you likely can't come to work drunk can you?

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So you want to punish everyone else 'cause you work with a chump?
I'm punishing everybody else because they're breaking the law?

I just don't want to go to work one day and five people decided to come in high just because it got legalized. They would probably get fired but the rest of us sober people will take all the responsibility for their jobs until we get replacements. As if I didn't already work hard enough for minimum wage.

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I don't want it legalized.
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I'm punishing everybody else because they're breaking the law?
I don't think your thought process was in full swing, here.

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Probably true that my thought process wasn't full swing. May never be full swing by everyone else's standards.

I'm still sticking to not wanting it legalized.

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Just because it's legalized doesn't mean it's allowed in the workplace. Alcohol is legal, and I'm pretty sure you can't show up to work drunk. All the same restrictions as alcohol would apply, I assume even more rules would be created so we can eliminate accidental contact highs as well.

You can take a non-legalization stance. Just trying to let you know it won't be done carelessly.

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I'm punishing everybody else because they're breaking the law?

I just don't want to go to work one day and five people decided to come in high just because it got legalized. They would probably get fired but the rest of us sober people will take all the responsibility for their jobs until we get replacements. As if I didn't already work hard enough for minimum wage.
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Several people were fired for getting drunk while at work at another store in town.

Since we're kind of on the subject, why does anybody smoke this stuff? I know of the medical part but that's about it.

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deeder7001: The point is that you were begging the question.

"I don't want it legalized because people use it which is wrong because it isn't legal!"

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^Well said. I think people tend to ignore the war on drugs when discussing this topic.

Anyone else remember that we just arrested Mary Anne from Gilligan's Island who is now 69 years old for having pot? I mean, is this seriously who the law is out to stop?
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Several people were fired for getting drunk while at work at another store in town.

Since we're kind of on the subject, why does anybody smoke this stuff? I know of the medical part but that's about it.
You know all that great music from the 60s and 70s?

Mary Jane inspired most of it.
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I know that. But the artists from back then didn't do anything but write music. Writing music is way different than working with 365 degree fryers and other possible dangers.

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First of all, holy shit. This is the first time I've seen proper use of "beg the question" on the Internet in ages.

More on topic, there is no reason why we should ban generally harmless things because people might do something stupid. You can get into accidents with cars, they should be banned! Pencil and paper can be used to blackmail people, let's ban them as well. I fully expect and would hope pot to be regulated - make it a crime to do things like driving while under the influence and other laws to ensure it's not laced with anything harmful.

If the people you work with are idiots and come to work high or drunk and management makes you cover for them or whatever, get a new damn job.

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First of all, holy shit. This is the first time I've seen proper use of "beg the question" on the Internet in ages.
Glad I can provide a bit of nostalgia.

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If the people you work with are idiots and come to work high or drunk and management makes you cover for them or whatever, get a new damn job.
Well it seems that there are only 2 where I work. One got fired a few days ago. Not sure what for. I don't think it was for smoking pot.

I've already tried to get another job. The job market here is horrendous. Turned in like 12 applications to various places and this is the only one that responded. That was 2 years ago. Job market hasn't changed.

Taco Bell isn't a high pay job but it does pay. You can probably imagine I have a unique perspective on this issue since, as far as I know, I'm the only person on the forum working at a place like that.

I'm not trying to say that you're stupid or unaware of what goes on in a fast food place. It's just I work there and you don't. In a place like Taco Bell or any other fast food place one person DOES make a big difference.

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w/r/t "beg the question", I was referring to xzxzzx's usage of the term, not the fallacy itself.
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Well it seems that there are only 2 where I work. One got fired a few days ago. Not sure what for. I don't think it was for smoking pot.
How is this relevant to your argument that "legalizing pot will make everybody get high at work"?
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Taco Bell isn't a high pay job but it does pay. You can probably imagine I have a unique perspective on this issue since, as far as I know, I'm the only person on the forum working at a place like that.
You think you're the only one here who has ever worked at a fast food place (or had a similarly shitty entry-level job)? Lol wut.
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I'm not trying to say that you're stupid or unaware of what goes on in a fast food place. It's just I work there and you don't. In a place like Taco Bell or any other fast food place one person DOES make a big difference.
It's not the government's job to baby-sit companies so they don't accidentally hire a bad worker.
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why does anybody smoke this stuff? I know of the medical part but that's about it.
Because it makes you feel good. I thought everybody knew that.

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As if I didn't already work hard enough for minimum wage.
Protip: the trick to minimum-wage jobs is to work just hard enough so you survive (i.e., don't get fired) until you find a good job.

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You think you're the only one here who has ever worked at a fast food place (or had a similarly shitty entry-level job)? Lol wut.
No, I don't think that. I don't know of anybody else that has or is currently working for one on the forums.

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<----

Going on three years. I was in management, I quit (moved to PA over stupid whore etc, etc) and came back. I'll soon be in management again.

I smoke pot. I don't do it before I go to work. I know people that come to work fucked up on more than just pot. Pot heads are some of the hardest working people I've ever worked with. Let somebody come to work on *****, now that's totally different.
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Protip: the trick to minimum-wage jobs is to work just hard enough so you survive (i.e., don't get fired) until you find a good job.
I generally agree with a lot of things that mikm says on the forums. But then there's now.

Personally, my philosophy is to work my hardest regardless of how much I'm getting paid or what I'm doing, especially if it's what gets the bills paid. A good work record in 'work-your-ass-off-for-next-to-nothing-jobs' is one of the biggest factors in getting me to where I am today. Plus, it actually puts me in a better mood knowing I did my best at whatever it is I did.

Working at Taco Bell is providing a product that enters a human body. Granted "Toxic Hell" food is not quite at the top of the health-conscious list, but people that eat there still deserve something that is decent and safe to eat.

Sorry to go so far off topic, I just felt the need to throw that out there.

I had a pair of close friends who really ruined their lives with marijuana use despite never being caught. It took over their lives where seemingly nothing else mattered. They threw away their families and jobs. Seeing their lives fall apart like that makes me want to support the "war on drugs". All the students I've had that I knew smoked marijuana were very much struggling with their grades. I'm not saying all users are like that, but this has just been my personal experience.

However, I also know three others that have died because of alcohol abuse, and I still support legalized drinking. Kinda hypocritical, I know.

I guess it's because I don't personally know any marijuana users that live otherwise healthy lives that they're happy with, whereas almost everyone I know that has a healthy rewarding lifestyle will indeed have a drink.

Perhaps if I knew more marijuana users that were like the drinkers I know, my biases wouldn't be so unbalanced.

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mikm:

I'm glad somebody noticed.

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I had a pair of close friends who really ruined their lives with marijuana use despite never being caught. It took over their lives where seemingly nothing else mattered. They threw away their families and jobs. Seeing their lives fall apart like that makes me want to support the "war on drugs".
I understand the emotional response of "get rid of this harmful substance".

But why do you think that the "war on drugs" will get rid of harmful substances, or reduce their harm?

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I had a pair of close friends who really ruined their lives with marijuana use despite never being caught. It took over their lives where seemingly nothing else mattered. They threw away their families and jobs. Seeing their lives fall apart like that makes me want to support the "war on drugs".
Replace "Marijuana use" with "World of Warcraft" and tell me how ridiculous banning WoW seems.

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Protip: the trick to minimum-wage jobs is to work just hard enough so you survive (i.e., don't get fired) until you find a good job.
Clearly it worked for you. Clearly you're not in a shithole of a town with a shitty job market. Maybe you should look for a good job in my town and tell me it was easy.

For me, I will work my ass off until I finish the tasks handed to me. I work as if I'm going for that promotion. I work as hard as I can so the managers will say that they don't want to lose me as an employee to future employers.

If I had followed that "protip" I would be just like every other worker. I would not stand out as a hard working person. The first thing the RGM(Restaurant General Manager) told me when I started is "the better you are, the more hours you get".

Protip: work your ass off so you're noticed by the higher-ups and get promoted or a better job.

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I don't know of anybody else that has or is currently working for one <<<<

Dude, pretty much everyone has worked in a fast food joint for minimum wage as their first job when they were in high school or very young. You are NOT some kind of unique case study. I'd bet cash money that nearly every person has dumped fries in to a vat of hot grease for some (hopefully) short period of their life. Go to school or move out of your shithole (your term) town if you don't like it. Or start smoking pot so you won't mind being a broke minimum wage worker so much. Pot will really help cut the pain. Might keep you in the shitty job longer cause your motivations for self improvement might lag a bit, but you won't care.

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Personally I liked the min. wage jobs I had, maybe not as much as I like my current job, but I was lucky to have had some pretty fun people to work for, and it built character. Even the people who were bad to work with were a topic of entertaining conversation. The other thing is, when you get a "better" job, there will always be just as many things to complain about, if you chose to focus on them. I tend to just look at the brighter side of things, while not losing sight of what can be improved.

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