Old 19th November 2006, 18:52   #1
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Charles Rangel wants to reinstate the draft...again

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...src=rss&rpc=22

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Senior Democrat renews call for military draft
Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:41pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.

U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" if he was still serious about the proposal for a universal draft he raised a couple of years ago, he said, "You bet your life. Underscore serious."

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," he said.

Rangel, who opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, also said he did not think the United States would have invaded Iraq if the children of members of Congress were sent to fight. He has said the U.S. fighting force is comprised disproportionately of people from low-income families and minorities.

"I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft. I think to do so is hypocritical," he said.

The New York Democrat had introduced legislation to reinstate the draft in January 2003 before the Iraq invasion. The Pentagon has said the all-volunteer army is working well and there is no need for a draft, and the idea had no traction in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats gained control of both the House and Senate for the first time in 12 years in the November 7 election, and a wholesale change in the leadership of Congress is to be made in January. Rangel is to head the House Ways and Means Committee, which is charged with U.S. tax and trade legislation.

The draft was in place from 1948 to 1973, when the United States converted to an all-volunteer army. But almost all men living in the United States - including most male noncitizens - are required to register with the Selective Service upon reaching 18, and federal benefits, including financial aid for college studies, are contingent on registration.

Rangel said his legislation on the draft would also offer the alternative of a couple of years of public service with educational benefits.
This is nothing more than Rangel playing politics by calling for an absurd legislation that failed to get hardly any votes the last time the House delt with one of Rangel's draft propositions...The last time this was voted on in 2003, the House defeated the bill 402-2 (With 31 not even voting), with only Pete Stark and Jack Murtha being the ones voting in favor...Even the Democrats were smart enough to vote against this bill, and Rangel didn't even vote in favor for his own legislation...What the hell?!

There's a reason why the US Military is now an all-volunteer force, because the draft was never popular to begin with...It's better to built a military with good-willed people who know what they're signing up for instead of dropping poor random schlubs into battle who don't even want to be there in the first place (Though this is no offence to Vietnam vets, since I have respect for anyone who's fought in a war, whether they went in voluntarily or were drafted in)...Of our all-volunteer military, we have about a half-million troops deployed in both Iraq and Afghanistan with 1.4 million on active duty and 2.6 million in reserves...Does Rangel even think a draft is necessary, or is he doing this for the hell of it?

Even with a Democrat-controlled House, I don't think even the Democrats want to risk their popularity by supporting Rangel in large numbers, if they want to keep their power until the 2008 Presidential election...At the same time, I find it funy that the anti-war Rangel wants to put the draft into place, since he thinks this will allow us to militarily confront Iran and North Korea...

What just happened there?

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Old 19th November 2006, 20:58   #2
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Old 19th November 2006, 21:17   #3
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Re: Charles Rangel wants to reinstate the draft...again

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At the same time, I find it funy that the anti-war Rangel wants to put the draft into place, since he thinks this will allow us to militarily confront Iran and North Korea...

What just happened there?
Democrats showing their true intentions. Not that bullshit they told you to get you to vote for them.

If any of you actually thought you were going to get the troop withdrawal they promised...
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Old 19th November 2006, 21:22   #4
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Re: Re: Charles Rangel wants to reinstate the draft...again

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Politicians showing their true intentions. Not that bullshit they told you to get you to vote for them.

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Old 19th November 2006, 21:30   #5
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...like Republicans are so innocent. Cry me a river...
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Old 19th November 2006, 23:52   #6
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Old 20th November 2006, 00:11   #7
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This whole "Democrats are now showing their true intent" line doesn't really fly here, since Rangel introduced the same thing back in 2003.

You can find a detailed discussion of Rangel's rationale on his website. Here's an excerpt:

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Congressman Charles Rangel today announced the reintroduction of his legislation to reinstate the military draft.

"I oppose the war in Iraq, but I support the military and the men and women who serve in it," Congressman Rangel said. "What is happening now indicates to me that the entire volunteer system is in danger of collapse under the weight of the burden being placed on those who are serving."

The Congressman's decision to reintroduce his draft legislation now was prompted in part by the growing crisis in military recruiting, which in recent months has suffered a 30 percent decline in enlistments, endangering the long-term viability of the U.S. military.

A symptom of the military's problems was the recent announcement of the Army's intention to allow recruits to sign up for 15 months of active duty service rather than the typical four-year enlistment. This effort to make military service more attractive to recruits is the shortest active-duty requirement ever.

"In rejecting the draft, the Pentagon has argued for years that volunteers wanted to fight and draftees were reluctant. The Secretary of Defense even belittled the sacrifices of Vietnam draftees. They also argued that recruits needed more time for training in order to handle today's high tech systems--not less. This decision shatters the myth of the superiority of the volunteer military while exposing the hypocrisy of the Pentagon's arguments," Congressman Rangel said.
I didn't read the whole thing. It looks like the rationale has to do with the idea that the rich benefit from these wars while the poor (who can often only hope to get an education by joining the military) have to do the fighting. Whatever Rangel may be up to here, I agree that this has little chance of passing, and I'm sure Rangel knows it.
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Old 21st November 2006, 14:40   #8
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Basically Rangel thinks that if more Americans had their children in the military we'd be less likely to get into various wars. (like it would some how prevent us from being attacked or nutcases from developing nukes).

Personally I think a required two years military service would do a lot of good for this country, but not in the way Rangel thinks...
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Old 21st November 2006, 20:28   #9
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My cursory look over this thread implies that the title should read Charles Rangel wants to reinstate the draft...still and it should be consigned to the same depths as Grass green...still...

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Old 26th November 2006, 02:25   #10
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Basically Rangel thinks that if more politicianshad their children in the military we'd be less likely to get into various wars.

I am so important I feel the need to let it be known like a liberal discovering the internets for the first time. Uh hur hur hur. I also wash myself with a rag on a stick.
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Old 26th November 2006, 12:45   #11
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Quit being a sore loser roh and accept that your party was the most corrupt bunch of shitheads ever.

As for the draft, if they want to draw even more similar lines to Vietnam, then go for it. You know damn well, just as in the past, that politicians' offspring will find an escape clause as they always have.

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."

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One can hope can't one.
Maybe some admirable young colt from Winamp will rise up one day above the emo underbelly and lead this nation to greatness?

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Old 26th November 2006, 19:21   #13
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"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-both quotes from George Santayana
I do remember the past, Vietnam, and that it took Nixon to end the war.

I prefer "You don't have to ban books if no one can read them". The democrats keep us on track for that goal.
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