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Stongly Homophobic 17 10.69%
Somewhat Homophobic 20 12.58%
Neutral 36 22.64%
Non-Homophobic 67 42.14%
Gay and Quite Happy, Thank You 19 11.95%
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Old 20th November 2006, 00:30   #241
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Because it started so long ago, or because some of the views being espoused here are eerily reminiscent of those which saw Oscar Wilde thrown into prison in the 19th century?
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Old 20th November 2006, 18:51   #242
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Homosexuality is as much a mental disease as is tobacco addiction.

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Old 20th November 2006, 19:03   #243
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Homosexuality is as much a mental disease as is heterosexuality.
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(unless you define disease as any deviation from the norm)
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Old 20th November 2006, 20:38   #244
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Old 20th November 2006, 20:43   #245
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And define define (as me being obnoxious)
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Old 21st November 2006, 03:59   #246
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Can someone please explain to me wtf 'define' means?
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Old 21st November 2006, 05:30   #247
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Is it just me, or have I not seen you here in a long time?

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Old 21st November 2006, 05:40   #248
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Can someone please explain to me wtf 'define' means?
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(I really thought I couldn't top the previous post.)
Just start twirling glow sticks and hugging people. Everything will make so much more sense then
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Old 21st November 2006, 06:33   #249
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There are benefits for being gay? Where?
I certainly cannot see any benefits in being gay - or at the very least DECLARING it. No family, no kids, everyone staring at you and laughing & pointing, HIV & AIDS... Nothing good at all.
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Old 21st November 2006, 06:38   #250
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You can always adopt.

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Old 21st November 2006, 07:12   #251
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Not ME, mate - THEM. But don't get me started on "Gay Dads"...
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Old 21st November 2006, 07:37   #252
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Old 21st November 2006, 09:29   #253
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Not ME, mate - THEM. But don't get me started on "Gay Dads"...
You have a problem with mediocre britrock? At least that's justified...

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Old 21st November 2006, 10:33   #254
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I certainly cannot see any benefits in being gay - or at the very least DECLARING it. No family, no kids, everyone staring at you and laughing & pointing, HIV & AIDS... Nothing good at all.
My gay buds have family, friends and some have kids. Most gay men, I know, have very safe sex. No one here in NY points at gay people. They do point at bigots!
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Old 21st November 2006, 16:17   #255
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"Homophobia is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. It can also mean hatred, hostility, or disapproval of homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to assert bigotry."
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Conservaphobia is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against conservative sexuality or conservatives. It can also mean hatred, hostility, or disapproval of conservative people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to assert bigotry.
"Homophobia" has a bad case of conservaphobia.

My point being of course, that such a broad definition for a word that literally means "fear of homosexuality" is very badly biased.

I'm fairly positive I can be disapproving of homosexual behavior without being frightened of it.

(although I am fairly certian that ROH is scared of homosexuality, not that he'd admit it )


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Old 21st November 2006, 16:49   #256
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Care to elaborate on what 'conservative sexuality' is supposed to be and, more importantly, how it is being discriminated against?
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Old 21st November 2006, 19:18   #257
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1. Traditional sexuality.
2. Watch Dr. No. If you don't find Honey Rider's outfit particularly noteworthy, you'll understand.


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Old 21st November 2006, 19:40   #258
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Ah, the old "we're vicims because we can no longer force others to submit to our rules" game?
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Old 21st November 2006, 19:47   #259
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as opposed to in rules?


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Old 21st November 2006, 19:53   #260
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Old 21st November 2006, 20:08   #261
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I can't think of any particular instance I or anyone-I-may-or-may-not-know-that-you-want-to-for-better-or-worse-associate what-I've-said-so-far-in-this-thread-with forced submission on anyone. (Unless you're counting the time I armbar'ed my little brother, but he's not gay so I don't think that counts)


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Old 21st November 2006, 20:18   #262
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Ok then, enough played:

If you think that counts as discrimination you're nuts.

And furthermore, you're insulting everybody who is suffering under real discrimination.
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Old 21st November 2006, 20:23   #263
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Who said anything about discrimination?

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Conservaphobia is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against conservative sexuality or conservatives. It can also mean hatred, hostility, or disapproval of conservative people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to assert bigotry.
I find your tone and logic thusfar in the thread to be particularly disapproving and thus accordingly conservaphobic.
Why?

BECAUSE SUCH A DEFINITION IS RETARDEDLY BROAD AND UNFAIR.
Which has been my single point in this thread thus far.


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Old 21st November 2006, 20:28   #264
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2. Watch Dr. No. If you don't find Honey Rider's outfit particularly noteworthy, you'll understand.
But even if, calling someone a bigot for disapproving of bigots is at last as retarded.
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Old 21st November 2006, 20:34   #265
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what do you think I mean by the above quote exactly?


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Old 21st November 2006, 20:37   #266
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"Homophobia" has a bad case of conservaphobia.
Hoho. However it's common usage is as stated above, which is all that was asked for.

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I'm fairly positive I can be disapproving of homosexual behavior without being frightened of it.
I'm not a big fan of the connotations either, but on the other hand it's quite accurate in most cases where it's used by reasonable people (similarly to how "racist" can be misused by overly-sensitive people), especially since the root of "phobia" can also (I think?) mean "panic", and moral panic is the root of most strong "homophobic" acts*. As for disapproval, I'm not sure I'd use it in that context at all.

I have trouble understanding people can possibly begrudge people for homosexuality, though.

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* Actually, given the clinical usage of the term, it seems even less out of context, although due to the connotations of fear I'd still not use it in as many situations as it can be used. It's clearly a pejorative.

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Old 21st November 2006, 20:46   #267
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Hoho.
Where's a Scots to English dictionary when you need one?

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I'm not a big fan of the connotations either, but on the other hand it's quite accurate in most cases where it's used by reasonable people...
Reasonable people, I'm afraid, seem harder and harder to come buy.


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Old 22nd November 2006, 16:32   #268
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So if I view homosexuality as a genetic defect, that makes me a homophobe?

I'm sorry, but I do, it is, and I'm not, in any reasonable sense of the word.

Genes are clearly designed to self-replicate. It is their purpose. Over the long term, they must do this (in humans) by sexual reproduction. Insomuch as a homosexual will not procreate, they indisputably have a genetic defect (and if you don't consider homosexuality genetic (I'm unconvinced either way), then that their genes allowed them to become homosexual). Yes, this also applies to people who are sterile, but interestingly enough, not necessarily to people who do not want children of their own.

It's possible to willingly choose not to have children of your own, considering, perhaps, that the planet is overpopulated &mdash; this, however, is reliant on external factors, and overall is still calculated to increase your genes' chance of survival (seeing as how most of your genes are the same as the rest of humanity).

I don't know why it's such a big deal, though. All people have genetic defects to some degree or anther - while you may have better than "perfect" 20/20 vision, you might also have a weak spine, or whatever.

Still, don't give me this "homosexuality is just like heterosexuality, they're both normal" bullshit. They're not, any way you look at it. On the flipside, that doesn't mean it's all right to condem someone for homosexuality. They're still human, for fuck's sake. Let's show a little decency.

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Old 22nd November 2006, 16:53   #269
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Genes are clearly designed to self-replicate. It is their purpose.
Do I detect a teleological fallacy?
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Old 22nd November 2006, 17:17   #270
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So if I view homosexuality as a genetic defect, that makes me a homophobe?
No. I wouldn't agree with you, though. "Defective" is an incredibly poor way to describe anything in genetics.

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I don't know why it's such a big deal, though. All people have genetic defects to some degree or anther - while you may have better than "perfect" 20/20 vision, you might also have a weak spine, or whatever.
If there's a large proportion of girls attracted to guys with glasses, bad eyesight could become an advantage.

Things which could legitimately be thought of as defects given your definition include having a high IQ or not being sociopathic. I wouldn't be so quick to label these as defects, they're just differences. I wouldn't use the term "defect" unless the characteristic considerably alters the quality of life for the person in question, which homosexuality categorically does not

The definition of "defect" used in biology does not cover the context in which you use it.

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Do I detect a teleological fallacy?
Pretty much. Genes are not, in the field of science, thought of as "designed", and random mutations are just that; random. They can be advantageous or disadvantageous. It would be more accurate to say that, presuming that homosexuality is a genetic trait, it is one disadvantageous to reproduction. That would be pretty much the only way to refer to it. And to be quite honest, that's obviously frivolous.

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Old 22nd November 2006, 18:50   #271
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My gay buds have family, friends and some have kids. Most gay men, I know, have very safe sex. No one here in NY points at gay people. They do point at bigots!
Gay men seriously "soft soap" women about what they are doing. Maybe just looking to switch hit for a little bi fun or trying to find common allies in the war against their common contrived enemy.

I've had girlfriends tell me how wonderful some of these gay guys are..... Of course, it's the same guys I've known for years that would bugger anything that held still long enough.

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Gays use the term 'homophobic' as an epithet, as if there's something wrong with us. It's an accusation, used and intended to put us on the defensive. It's a weapon used to browbeat people into silence. -Rod-
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Old 22nd November 2006, 22:38   #273
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what the hell does the neutral option mean in the poll?

I am neither homophobic nor non-homophobic.
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Gays use the term 'homophobic' as an epithet, as if there's something wrong with us. It's an accusation, used and intended to put us on the defensive. It's a weapon used to browbeat people into silence. -Rod-
I get this horrible feeling like I'm more of an American "patriot" than you.

Despite being British.

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Old 23rd November 2006, 02:14   #277
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Old 23rd November 2006, 04:31   #278
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Now I am homophobic .

Words like homophobe..... yeah and I'm a bigot too.

It's because when people say. "I'm black, female, hispanic, walleyed, lopsided, fat or gay.... give me money..."

I say "Get a damn job!".

It's also because people say "I am part of the social program to give black, hispanic, walleyed, lopsided fat people your money.... give me money.".

I still say "Get a damn job!".
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Now I am homophobic.

Words like homophobe..... yeah and I'm a bigot too.

It's because when people say. "I'm black, female, hispanic, walleyed, lopsided, fat or gay.... give me money..."

I say "Get a damn job!".

It's also because people say "I am part of the social program to give black, hispanic, walleyed, lopsided fat people your money.... give me money".

I still say "Get a damn job!".

I'm just a single white man. I just get to pay for the slum that I'm gonna get killed in.
I say, "Learn to write so you can convey a message that means something."

present day present time
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I'm pointing out that the meaning of these slurs has changed.

I didn't used to be a bigot or a homophobe, but now I am. I don't feel enough racial and gender guilt. I'm not guilty enough about being a man or white or straight to think that I owe people that aren't. And I'm not guilty enough to pay democrats to administer my penance for my racial/gender/color sin.

My ancestors never met anyone to abuse, except the women, and I dunno, they seemed happy enough for the three generations of them I knew. But hell, there must have been some oppression in there somewhere that I should feel guilty about.

I also voted for George Bush, so I must be a Nazi too.

I go to church once in a while, so I must be a KKK member.

Yes, I am indeed damned.

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