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Old 9th May 2008, 09:43   #1
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XP or Vista?

I'm asking because I really can't decide (and because I felt like GD could do with another useless flamewar).
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Old 9th May 2008, 10:00   #2
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Old 9th May 2008, 11:32   #3
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Even though all of my computers are currently running Windows XP, I think I'd put Vista on a newly-built computer simply because it's the most natural step forward. If Vista was as horrible as Windows ME was, I wouldn't hesitate to use XP.
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Old 9th May 2008, 12:24   #4
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XP, Vista takes a lot of getting used to and with Windows 7 coming soon, I would wait for that or until Vista gets some of its bugs with drivers worked out.
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Old 9th May 2008, 12:30   #5
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I say Vista at this stage, on a new machine. XP will probably still be the choice for legacy hardware not from the last year or so. I haven't encountered any real issues moving to a new 64-bit Vista install, which surprised me. Everything just works.
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Old 9th May 2008, 12:47   #6
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i heared of many problems of vista users, like total crash after SP1 installation.
I run verry well with XP SP3 and i will keep using it.
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Old 9th May 2008, 13:41   #7
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I prefer XP ...maybe Vista will eventually get all it's kinks worked out but until then I'll stick with nice stable XP
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Old 9th May 2008, 16:20   #8
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I liked Vista for the time I used it(about a week). It took less time to install and fix it to my liking. I'd look into checking all my hardware and make sure it'll run in Vista before installing it to possibly avoid some issues.

I run XP because I'm more familiar with it. I know some of it's quirks and some work-arounds for some things. Also program compatibility. And Winamp seems to run smoother.

I'd probably just flip a coin at this point.

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Old 9th May 2008, 18:18   #9
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I actually really like Vista. It came installed on my new laptop and while it takes some getting used to, I'm happy with it. The only downside is that a lot of my original programs had problems downloading onto Vista (I have a creative player that froze every time I tried!)

Overall though, I'm very happy with it!
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Old 9th May 2008, 18:42   #10
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XP, if you want eyecandy just whack Ubuntu and Beryl on or any of the various XP enhancements that are out there.

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Old 9th May 2008, 19:16   #11
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Vista. Been using it for nearly a year and a half on this computer. Nothing to complain about thus far.
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Old 9th May 2008, 23:22   #12
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Seriously though anyone picking XP is probably just misinformed. Or wants to build what constitutes a "specialist" computer, like an Eee or something.

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Old 10th May 2008, 01:45   #13
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Vista if you're going 64-bit (because 64-bit drivers for XP are practically non-existent).

XP if you're going 32-bit.

But honestly, if you're build a mid- to high-end rig, the performance difference between the two OSes is negligible.

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Old 10th May 2008, 02:05   #14
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Old 10th May 2008, 09:58   #15
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yea, if you want 64 bit, get vista. but if you dont need it yet you can also hope and wait for windows seven.
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Old 10th May 2008, 10:29   #16
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Why does everybody seem to assume Windows 7 will be the first Windows version not to be delayed and to be usable before SP1?

But I'm still leaning towards XP atm, as it looks like some Vista drivers are still buggy and none of the added features look too compelling.

And on the subject of eyecandy, the more I see of Aero Glass the less I like it.
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Old 10th May 2008, 12:40   #17
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Why does everybody seem to assume Windows 7 will be the first Windows version not to be delayed and to be usable before SP1?

But I'm still leaning towards XP atm, as it looks like some Vista drivers are still buggy and none of the added features look too compelling.

And on the subject of eyecandy, the more I see of Aero Glass the less I like it.
i dont say that it will not be delayed and i dont say it will be usable b4 SP1 but i hope they learn something of the mistakes they made in Vista and make it more stable with better comaptibility and stable drivers.
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Old 10th May 2008, 14:48   #19
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They have said that compatibility is going to be much less of a priority in 7. Which is a damn good thing.

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Old 10th May 2008, 22:29   #20
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I like XP SP2. I have SP3 now at home but I have only had it about a week or two and therefore can't say I know what's different.

XP seems to handle all the oldest and all the newest software without a hassle. I hate losing software I spent money on just because of compatibility issues.

I just don't think I'm lacking anything important on XP. My school district's several hundred computers all have XP Pro (SP2), and it seems to run smoothly. When something is released that I feel I need that XP doesn't have, then maybe I'll upgrade. Until then, XP is the answer to all my OS needs.

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Old 10th May 2008, 23:15   #21
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I have Vista on the home pc, which I have had for quite some time, although, the only original part would be the floppy drive (or almost: I bought a black one to match a new case). Next project, "upgrade" to 64bit... Can't use all the ram with 32bit. Waiting a bit, have a few 32bit drivers only. So no I would not downgrade myself.
UAC could it have killed MS to checksum the program you elevate and allow you to auto-elevate it the next time. You know a "Allow elevation until changed" checkbox.

Bad things: Sony Ericsson not supporting older phones on Vista. I can synch, kinda, but only to admin account
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Old 11th May 2008, 12:06   #22
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I just don't think I'm lacking anything important on XP. My school district's several hundred computers all have XP Pro (SP2), and it seems to run smoothly. When something is released that I feel I need that XP doesn't have, then maybe I'll upgrade. Until then, XP is the answer to all my OS needs.
This is an interesting angle as well. It's certainly true that OSs have largely gotten to the point where they're almost transparent to the user, which makes it harder to sell upgrades. Really the qualitative differences between the major OSs are pretty minor now, and even though XP is essentially a generation behind, all it's lacking is a security configuration and eye candy.

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@ the moment... XP, however as time passes Vista will become the better choice
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Old 11th May 2008, 22:06   #24
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Vista is bloated crap that's incompatible with everything and can't do shit for itself.
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Hey, that's me!

Seriously though anyone picking XP is probably just misinformed. Or wants to build what constitutes a "specialist" computer, like an Eee or something.
But what if he wants to be able to use more than the 12 programs that work on linux, or play games?
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Old 12th May 2008, 02:57   #26
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But what if he wants to be able to use more than the 12 programs that work on linux, or play games?
Hey! I saw the original post! Shenanigans!
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I just added the games part
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But what if he wants to be able to use more than the 12 programs that work on linux, or play games?
So by going with Vista over XP, I'll get 26 FPS in Crysis instead of 27. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

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but vista has DirectX 10 omgomgomgomg w00t!!!!1!11!1!eleven eleven
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But what if he wants to be able to use more than the 12 programs that work on linux, or play games?
Well I was talking about Vista over XP, rather than Linux over XP, but sure. Other than games (many of which run fine on Wine) most Linux distributions can keep up with the tasks that you want to perform in Windows. Hundreds of programs are available but you only need 12 to do everything you did before, I find.

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When I'm not playing games or making music, the only two programs I use 98% of the time are Firefox & Notepad. Maybe I should start using Linux again...

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When I'm not playing games or making music, the only two programs I use 98% of the time are Firefox & Notepad. Maybe I should start using Linux again...
Depending on how you make music Ardour might be a nice (free in every sense) alternative to Windows software too.

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Depending on how you make music Ardour might be a nice (free in every sense) alternative to Windows software too.
In the past I've had a hard time trying to use anything other than FL Studio, but I'll give it a try. Thanks.

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I don't think it's really an alternative to FL (different sorts of programs; it's more like Cubase or ProTools or whatever), but I think there's other programs about which do similar things.

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Force Ableton to make a Linux port. Use Ableton. Make the switch.

I mean really Ableton has a OS X build. Is there any difference between that and *nix? Could the resources to port to *nix be that large compared to OS X?

I am guessing so, otherwise they would have done it. Of course, how many musicians use linux. Humph. Maybe market share killed it once again ...
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Yeah, I don't get why Linux gets no love from the music community. If you're into that stuff, it's either Windows or OSX for you.

But I never do anything real big anyway (I'll release 2-3 tracks a year, if I'm lucky), so I'm willing to give Ubuntu a go as my primary OS on my next PC, and use Vista 64 as my workhorse for gaming & music.

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Lies. Vista SP1 performs just as well as (and even sometimes outperforms) XP SP3 in every aspect. As for compatibility: I dare you to name one modern driver or app that runs in XP but not in Vista. Don't make any false statements without actually trying the OS first.

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Force Ableton to make a Linux port. Use Ableton. Make the switch.
Ableton is supposed to be excellent, yeah. I think that's what 65daysofstatic use.

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I mean really Ableton has a OS X build. Is there any difference between that and *nix? Could the resources to port to *nix be that large compared to OS X?

I am guessing so, otherwise they would have done it. Of course, how many musicians use linux. Humph. Maybe market share killed it once again ...
Although the "base" *nix is similar, the audio subsystems are completely distinct. In particular Linux has at least 4 different audio systems, all of which are useful for different things (except OSS which is just really old). Porting is non-trivial and there's probably very little demand.

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Yeah, I don't get why Linux gets no love from the music community. If you're into that stuff, it's either Windows or OSX for you.
Probably just lack of demand. Checking out Ubuntu Studio may well be worth a go though. Arguably Linux is an ideal system for music since you can hook it up with a real-time kernel (Ubuntu Studio optionally does this, I think) which would prevent issues with timesharing and so on.

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But I never do anything real big anyway (I'll release 2-3 tracks a year, if I'm lucky), so I'm willing to give Ubuntu a go as my primary OS on my next PC, and use Vista 64 as my workhorse for gaming & music.
You can install Ubuntu without a separate partition now (see "Wubi") so it's easy to try it out!

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As for compatibility: I dare you to name one modern driver or app that runs in XP but not in Vista.
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Ableton is supposed to be excellent, yeah. I think that's what 65daysofstatic use.
Venetian Snares uses Renoise, which is available for Linux.
And a few people even use Pd.

Ableton Live is rather different from other music software, as the name suggests it's primarily aimed at live performances rather than composition (the default setup without additional instruments is almost entirely based on sampled loops).
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