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Old 11th December 2004, 02:52   #1
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CLEVELAND (AP) — Someone who has sent threatening letters denouncing interracial relationships to black professional football players and other prominent black men is now targeting high school athletes, authorities said Thursday.

Two Roman Catholic high schools with well-known sports programs in Cleveland — St. Ignatius and St. Edward — received 10 letters threatening black student-athletes in the last two weeks, FBI special agent Bob Hawk said.

Hawk said the letters were similar to ones sent over the past two years to at least six National Football League players and scores of other well-known black men across the nation, including civic and business leaders. None of the recipients has been identified.

The letters, postmarked from cities in northeast Ohio and Pennsylvania, criticize interracial relationships and direct the men to end such relationships "or they're going to be castrated, shot or set on fire."

The letters are usually signed "angry white woman" or "angry Caucasian woman."

The FBI is asking anyone with information in the case to contact them. Hawk said there are no suspects.

The letters mailed to St. Ignatius were addressed to the soccer team and other athletes — some from other area schools — who were photographed with white, female athletes for a local newspaper's scholastic sports section, said Carolyn Kovach, the school's spokeswoman.

The mail was intercepted by school security and never made it to the students, whose parents were immediately notified.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...athletes_x.htm

Yes, I know, not quite breaking, but I don't care.

I attend St. Ignatius. Every student here was outraged that someone could be so intolerant in this day and age. I mean, how low can you be to threaten high school students? What pissed us off most, though, was that they called for us to disown the targets. Why would we do that when it goes against everything we are taught at this school? It's just ridiculous. I hope the FBI finds this guy and nails him hard.
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Old 11th December 2004, 08:24   #2
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It is really sad, and not too long ago I just read a brief article about how Taye Diggs and his wife (linkage:http://u.redlandsdailyfacts.com/Stor...580159,00.html)have been the subject of hate mail. I was a bit dumbstruck, as so rarely do you hear about these kinds of cases these days.
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Old 11th December 2004, 11:38   #3
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Racists are pathetic and silly. They would be just a nice thing to have around just to have someone to laugh at, but sadly some racists tend to be involved in use of power and violence which means racism needs to be eliminated.

The only thing one can do about them is to try avoid their children to get the same prejudices and build a society with few problems that can be put on the shoulders of a specific ethninic group.
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Old 12th December 2004, 20:42   #4
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I've never been racist based on a color of someones skin or their religion. I only hate those who can't seem to do anything but criminal acts and live like the scourge of the earth - and they come in every color, size and breed there is.

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Old 13th December 2004, 05:06   #5
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I hope racism never becomes illegal, I'm disturbed by hate crime legislation.
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Old 13th December 2004, 06:18   #6
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Hate crime legislation did start off with good intentions, mainly to denounce crimes against minorities that otherwise would not get the protection they deserve like other citizens. It's a situation I wish we had no need for, but, unfortunately for all of us, there are dumbasses in this world that would act otherwise.

The days of Jim Crow are not too far behind us, and until we all can rise above our history of ignorance and hate, this will be the society that we live in.

And to be honest, I agree that racism should never be made illegal. How is it possible to legislate a person's inner thoughts? It's impossible. Far better to spend our resources to more viable solutions.
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(edited for content)

I initially went on a rant in this post, but I decided to change the wording. I was a bit more angry than I should have been. Ok. Let me explain my position on the hate mail...

I can see why this person is angry at a black man dating a white woman. Why I disagree with it:
  • I don't agree with black/white race mixing
  • Black culture and contributions (or lack thereof) to society play contributing factors.

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Old 13th December 2004, 15:43   #8
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While I agree with finding disapproval with it (black-white), I don't condone hate crime against another. Now if I were provoked, like say in a black riot--I'd defend myself with the utmost prejudice.

Let me go into a little more detail as to why I disapprove of particularly a black-white relationship. Yes, it has to do with the fact that the person is black. But it has basis in fact. It could be called racist, but it's primarily based on my own observations and personal experiences and statistical data.

Unfortunately, society has glossed over the problems we have with minorities and immigration. People accept other races freely even though they're taking great advantage of us and using our tax dollars to further the problem and not fix it. There are serious problems in black America and the cure starts with them. I'm sick and tired of whites bending over backwards to make blacks happy. All in the name of slavery and oppression. These people have more opportunities today than they ever have. Instead of taking advantage of these opportunites they prefer to be stuck in a rut of crime, illiteracy, greed and immorality. They refuse to integrate into society with the rest of us, yet they expect all of the handouts. Is this the kind of person you want your daughter dating? Not me. Maybe if they looked at themselves and tried to fix their own problems I might have respect for these people.

Taking all of those into consideration and the statistical improbability that the black man is a straight-shooter worthy of my daughter, I'd have to say I would highly disapprove of black-white race mixing.

Most other races I'd not have a problem with because they actually get it. They understand how society works and how to achieve and make something of themselves. So, yes... it's obvious my own opinion is racially motivated. Therefore I must be a racist.

Statistics speak for themselves. Blacks make up 13% of America's population, yet they commit the most crimes... the majority of which are black-on-white crime. The majority of the victims are innocent white women and children.

I have every right to disapprove and be angry when a race doesn't care enough about itself to rise above barbarism. Are there good black people? Sure. It's just unfortunate they're a minority among their own people. Imagine that. A true minority. And ya know, I normally wouldn't care what they did if it didn't affect me. Let people live how they want to live and be happy. However, if it directly affects me and my own race (and other races, lets be honest) I stand up and take notice and I get angry about it.

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Old 13th December 2004, 17:29   #9
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...and you guys thought Cabo and I were conservative!


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Old 13th December 2004, 18:15   #10
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I really wouldn't class that as conservative.

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Old 13th December 2004, 18:56   #11
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what then... reactionary?


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Old 13th December 2004, 19:03   #12
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Possibly. It just seems kinda slanderous to conservatives to call it conservative.

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Old 13th December 2004, 19:05   #13
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Old 13th December 2004, 20:56   #14
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...Conservative my ass. That's just straight forward hatred.

I would post an essay but that's like talking into the ear of a deaf man...

But I will say this, It takes one pair of open arms to start integration but not all will open their arms to change or integration. So not all will accept the invitation.
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Old 13th December 2004, 22:12   #15
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Hey, I don't hate conservatives, I just think they have different views to me. It's a word - like "liberal" - that is taken all-too-often out of context in American politics.

"Conservative" in British politics means "completely incompetent", incidentally.

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Old 14th December 2004, 00:09   #16
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Which is why the BNP is now gathering pace, since there is no viable alternative to what we have now for the right wing. *ahem*.
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Old 15th December 2004, 15:58   #17
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*sigh*

OMFG, out of 293,027,571 people, 1 person sent some hate mail. Good lord, look that that rampant racism!

I wonder how many of these incidents occur the other way around... who can know? The media wouldn't report it, certainly. Crime statistics certainly don't support any sort of interpretation of whites as violent towards blacks.

What a blind society I live in.

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Old 15th December 2004, 18:51   #18
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Which is why the BNP is now gathering pace, since there is no viable alternative to what we have now for the right wing. *ahem*.
The BNP are actually - politically - left wing. The fact that they're xenophobic fascists only proves that they'd rather blame their problems on those unlike them, than analyse them properly.

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/me wonders if Jessie Jackson sent those letters
Oh well...just a thought...
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Old 16th December 2004, 00:47   #22
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I though BNP was a gas company?
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some of those are repeats.


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Old 16th December 2004, 19:39   #26
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That's the one

I'm on dialup atm, and it's not my phone bill, so don't expect quick answers.

Official Site Be sure to read their policies, which basically hinge on blaming everything on immigrants.

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Yeah yeah. Everyone hates everyone. Welcome to life. More than likely it's some 15 year old guys who got drunk and, being proud members of the Klu Klux Klan, decided to give something back to their community. Hooray for racism, down with the Russian government, all Mexicans suck, White Anglo-Saxon Protestants are the only ones in the world that deserve to live. And so on.

Collective refusal to acknowledge another person's civil liberties does not make you right.
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Old 16th December 2004, 22:13   #28
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You're probably right, that it was some misguided racist that did it. But I ask you to consider that just maybe there are people out there that are angry at what's going on in this country with immigration and minorities.

Let me send you to a couple of sites that contain some news articles you won't find in mainstream media. Why? They don't want you to know the truth about the extent of degradation in this country caused by these people. Read a few articles and you'll start to see the picture. It's so much easier to deny there is a problem.

http://www.amren.com/
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The easy thing to do is to blame the problem on "these people", rather than the social factors which are more to blame. Immigration itself may be a problem, but it's blamed for far more than it's possible that it's to blame for. In any case, do you really think that deliberate victimisation of races other than one's own is productive? Stability is what is lacking here.

In relation to your site links, they seem to list crimes that are fairly commonplace, filter out all of those committed by whites, and make sure that the nationalities of the guilty are mentioned in the opening paragraphs. I found, in the current headlines of each, one exception to this rule on either page, and that was the same story. They're clearly single-issue pro-white sites. I see no reason to give them credence.

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Of course they're pro-white sites. That's the idea---that white America needs to be aware how things going on in our country are affecting our way of life. It's definitely relevant, especially considering the news is real and the overwhelming statistics proving minority-on-white crime is grossly disproportionate to any white-on-minority crime. I still can't believe people are in denial that there are huge problems.

It's easy to sit back and say nothing's wrong when you've never had your own experiences with minorities. When you become the victim you gain new insight and you get angry. All across the country our neighborhoods are going to shit. Crime is rampant. In some places you can't even go outside without fear for your life. Diversity? The hell you say!
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Old 17th December 2004, 00:35   #31
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Of course, when a pro-black group start to espouse the greatness of black culture and how whites are all rascist slave beaters, its all ok. If white supremacy is so evil and wrong, why isnt black supremacy (or any non white supremacy)?
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I'm sorry, but simply blaming "minorities" for those problems isn't solving anything. There's social issues here, and those are the problem. One's race does not make one violent - one's situation, however, may.

My personal thoughts are that hate-crime legislation, "positive" discrimination and whatever else are all just discrimination. And I think that ending needless discriminations like these would do a lot more for racial relations than a lot of people think.

When people stop seeing a colour, and start seeing a person - and I'm talking about both whites and non-whites here - then racial violence will cease to have any meaning. Poor integration and resent from both sides causes these problems, and I don't see how the apartheid you suggest will do anything to ease them.

Edit: And yes Bilbo, Black or any other minority "supremacy" groups are no better than their white counterparts. I have no problem with people sticking up for "white rights" when they are slighted racially though (positive discrimination is a good example of this) but I'm sure you can see why it's become something of a taboo subject to mention.

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I just find being ignorant to be the problem. Look, all of you. Crime is not a black problem. It is not a white problem, or a latino problem, or an asian problem. It's just a problem. It does not make one damn bit of difference who's committing the crime, because everyone still does it. What needs to be fixed is the crime, not the people committing the crimes. We need to make it so that crime does not happen. We do not need to make it racially exclusive, because guess what? That leads to more crime.

As for supremacy groups, I don't care. I'm a white male with a Christian background (I'm now agnostic, however I strongly agree with much of what Christianity means, at least to me), and I personally would love to see a competent black female become president (partially to end the stigma of men in power, but moreso to end all the incessant bitching). However, I'm not going to support her just because of that, she needs to prove that she is qualified to lead this country. I support things because I believe the view or idea is correct, not because their skin color coincides. I personally see the NAACP as a peaceful black supremacy group. Thus, I don't support them. I support groups such as Amnesty International and Green Peace, because they are collectively useful, and intend to help those in need.
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So many times race and color are thought of as the driving factors in racism when in fact the problem isn't the color of a person's skin or their race, but how they treat other human beings as a whole. The fact that the majority of blacks are stuck in a rut has no bearing on their color or race, but that they still can't integrate into a society that caters to their every whim. Blacks have it better than they ever have yet they fail on every level. Not *all* blacks, but most. And why is that? White people and society in general (other races) have bent over backwards to make these people happy, but they still can't seem to get it right. Therefore when someone like myself is angered by the way black culture or black crime affects whites it's not based on race hate or the color of skin. It's based on the facts and statistics that make themselves known in society. To put every black person in this category is wrong, just as it is wrong to assume a person that dislikes blacks is basing their opinion on the color of skin or race. My anger is a direct reaction to the actions of a group of people.

I get angry whether it's a black man or a white man that steals from me, rapes my daughter or kills my brother.

It's the imbalance of black-on-white crime as opposed to white-on-black crime and the endless crutch of alleged white-on-black racism to get what they want. You could say that society causes this imbalance, but I beg to differ. There is nothing keeping the black man down anymore. He can achieve anything he wants. Why doesn't he? Because they don't care about each other, let alone anyone else. The problem no longer lies with white/other race society. The problem lies solely within the black community itself.

If you've never lived in a black neighborhood or experienced it for yourself I can't expect you to understand. It's easy to be touchy-feely for these people and think their oppression still exists. That's exactly what they want you to think.

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I thinkthere should be more inter-racial relationships/marriages. Once we're all finally the same color we can leave this bullshit behind us.

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I just find being ignorant to be the problem. Look, all of you. Crime is not a black problem. It is not a white problem, or a latino problem, or an asian problem. It's just a problem. It does not make one damn bit of difference who's committing the crime, because everyone still does it. What needs to be fixed is the crime, not the people committing the crimes. We need to make it so that crime does not happen. We do not need to make it racially exclusive, because guess what? That leads to more crime.
Every race commits crime. My point was that black crime is unusually high when you compare it to any other race. Black-on-white crime is unusually high. For being only 13% of the population in the US black crime is like a plague when you compare it to any other race committing crime. i.e. There's a big problem that is being ignored and not depicted correctly in the media. It's a KNOWN FACT that black crime is huge compared to any other race. And again, remember---they only make up 13% of the population. Doesn't that make you go "WTF?!" If you look at the statistics and still think it's insignificant you must be smoking crack.
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Old 17th December 2004, 04:48   #37
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The more and more I hear you talk, the more it reminds me of American History X.
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To dismiss it is like saying illegal immigration isn't having adverse effects on our country.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and white-on-black crime was the same rate. There wouldn't be very many blacks left before long.

I'm not saying you should be racist and hate black people and I'm not saying it's the only problem when it comes to crime, but it's a big factor that can't be ignore and shouldn't be.

All of you sound like you want to shrug it off for the sake of integration and diversity. I'm sorry, but I can't look at it that way.
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Old 17th December 2004, 08:34   #39
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I'm not saying you should be racist and hate black people and I'm not saying it's the only problem when it comes to crime, but it's a big factor that can't be ignore and shouldn't be.
take a look at this possible sollution. I'm a fucking commie ain't I?
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Old 17th December 2004, 14:28   #40
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Saying that you don't think we should be racist but we should spend more time trying to prevent black crime is completely contradictory. Plus, even assuming we could do it, how do you think it comes off? Racist. Which again, leads to more racial tension, and as a result, more crime. If you'd stop and think about what needs to be fixed, you'd find that it isn't the person's skin color, it's the crime.
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