Old 26th January 2007, 05:19   #1
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California to ban spanking of kids

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California parents could face jail and a fine for spanking their young children under legislation a state lawmaker has promised to introduce next week.

Democratic Assemblywoman Sally Lieber said such a law is needed because spanking victimizes helpless children and breeds violence in society.

"I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child," Lieber said. "Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?"

Lieber said her proposal would make spanking, hitting and slapping a child under 4 years old a misdemeanor. Adults could face up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Aides to the assemblywoman said they are still working on a definition for spanking.

Some Republican lawmakers called the idea ridiculous. But Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he may be receptive to it even though he has concerns about how the ban would be enforced.

The governor said he and his wife, Maria Shriver, did not spank their four children and used alternative methods for discipline. For example, Schwarzenegger said they found it more effective to threaten to take away their children's play time if they didn't do school work.

"They hate that much more than getting spanked," he told reporters Friday in Los Angeles.

California law permits spanking by parents unless the degree of force is excessive or not appropriate for the child's age.
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Old 26th January 2007, 06:30   #2
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Under 4?!

I understand newborn to at least 2 years. But then they get to be 3, the will try to test what they can and can't do.
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As long as i can still spank 18 and 19 year olds, all is good.

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Old 26th January 2007, 15:59   #4
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I just hope they never ban spanking the monkey
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Old 27th January 2007, 01:35   #5
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So we needed another law?. I think parents should have ultimate control over how they raise their children. The government has no business in our homes.

People that want complete non violence are usually people that everyone wants to slap upside the head.
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Old 29th January 2007, 16:35   #8
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Spanking is absurd.

Someone training a dog the same way would be called "cruel", and yet humans don't even need to be "trained". We have language.

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Someone training a dog the same way would be called "cruel", and yet humans don't even need to be "trained". We have language.
Not until you beat it into 'em!

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Spanking is absurd.

Someone training a dog the same way would be called "cruel", and yet humans don't even need to be "trained". We have language.
Yay!

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that was banned here in... like... 1962
Same here.
Maybe not in 1962, but still..

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Eh?

Yes, passive-aggressive behavior is a common result of corporal punishment. Did I miss something?

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Slapping a hand is sometimes in order to get a child to understand what they are doing is wrong. But I hardly think it takes until 4 for them to understand with a light spank that something is wrong.

This Sally Lieber bitch is probably a damned lesbian who is pissed about not being able to adopt a kid with her hairy man-beast partner equipped with a bad attitude and a vagina.

Geezus, let's all go vote for Hilary Clinton!

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I told ya she was a dyke! LMFAO! People who can't HAVE kids should not be telling the 'breeders' how to raise them. Holy shit...let's get a law going that we have to 'accept our children's sexuality' and not be upset by poor choices next. That way Billy can date boys and Sally can get a butch g/f and then smoke moonajuana until she loses enough brain cells to vote for Hilary! Yeehaaa!


Hell even my Wife said 'I will not vote for ANY woman who hasn't gone through menopause!'.


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Oh by the way..how many of you people have kids in here?

And I don't mean how many of you are dating kids, just to be clear.

Hahah!
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Old 2nd February 2007, 17:20   #15
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Re: California to ban spanking of kids

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"I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child," Lieber said. "Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?"
There are aready laws against child abuse. Beating and whipping is abuse, spanking is disiplin.

Just another useless law suggested by a useless politition.

Stop wasting tax payer dollars with your ignorance!
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I guess they should outlaw using stunguns to discipline your child and add an addendum for putting your kid in a microwave too as a form of punishment. You know what might solve many of these problem and protect many children? I think the state you live in should issue a 'license to breed' if you are too stupid to pass a simple test on how to raise a child and what might be inappropriate ways to discipline, you should not have the right to reproduce.

See you on capital hill...I will be trying to pass this bill ASAP.
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So long as you can still bitchslap teenagers and restrain them with ducttape then we're still safe.

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I think certain Californians need to be able to actually reproduce before they start lobbying laws about raising children. I dunno...maybe I am being silly. But I am not calling a burger king employee to fix my plumbing and I am not going to hire someone who paints for a living to fix my computer.
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I told ya she was a dyke! LMFAO! People who can't HAVE kids should not be telling the 'breeders' how to raise them

Huh? Lesbian can have kids, and do so all the time. You see, actually lesbians are sekritly women!!!!! And womanly parts function regarless of what gets their motor running.

Is it just me or are the frootbats on Winamp growing in ever greater numbers. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

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Lesbians needs male parts to actually produce a child.

Ya know what watadoo, I am not going to explain this to you. Go call your Mom and ask about 'the birds and the bees'.

Hahaha
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Don't be an ass. Sperm donars and sperm banks have been a part of scientific technology for decades and decades.

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Ok, watadoo...you missed my point. I am saying if you can't MAKE one you shouldn't be telling me how to raise one. This is the dumbest law ever. Abuse is different than discipline involving spanking. I mean...get real. Next thing you know telling a kid they need 'time out' will be twisted into child abuse. It's a worthless ridiculous idea. If you are spanking your kid more than once or twice to discipline then it's already abuse, and it doesn't matter if I am slapping a kid with cheese or with my hand. The point I am making is that this law is outright retarded. How many kids have you heard of have been killed by a spanking? It's a *&%$ing spanking...it's not like someone is breaking bones or causing a kid to lose extremities or something. It's a damned spanking, honestly I can believe half of these dipshit laws are taken serious for one second.
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Oit's not like someone is breaking bones or causing a kid to lose extremities or something.
Ah, well, that's the danger you see. If a parent is angry or frustrated with their child then they can't think about how much force they're applying.

Using alternative methods to discipline a child is a lot more effecient than hitting them.
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Ah, well, that's the danger you see. If a parent is angry or frustrated with their child then they can't think about how much force they're applying.
See if people would vote for me for President, my 'right to bear children' law would make it mandatory for people to take a test before they could legally reproduce. Much like taking a test for a drivers license. You would need a 'breeder's license'. This way if you are too stupid to control yourself or your anger you wouldn't be able to be a parent in the first place.

I am not condoning violence towards children or saying that spanking is the answer to teaching your children how to behave by any means. I don't make it a habit or a practice to hit kids if you can avoid it. But a law like this one would make it so a child can go around punching people and not be held responsible until what 18 years of age, and it would be illegal to hit them back. That's totally assinine. If you are already unable to control your temper chances are you shouldn't be a parent.

It's very easy to be offering parental advice when you aren't a parental figure yourself. Have a kid...then when they punch you in the face repeatedly and you can't 'spank' them to show them you are in charge, then I guess your kid will run the house. Kick ass...I hope you live in california my friend.
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Lesbians needs male parts to actually produce a child.

Ya know what watadoo, I am not going to explain this to you. Go call your Mom and ask about 'the birds and the bees'.

Hahaha
That's enough of that crap.

I'll give you this single warning about trolling. The next time, you're gone and don't even bother PMing me or explaining "your side" on this one.
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Who is post pumping? I don't care about 'rank' or what is next to my name. If it said 'horses ass' I could care less. I was also teasing watadoo because I run into him all the time, and know that he is always the devil's advocate. It was never meant to be disrespectful, it was meant to be funny. I wasn't trolling either. I don't care if anyone responds I am simply posting my opinion.

I actually think watadoo is pretty funny. Should I have included a smiley face to explain I was joking around or what?

The birds and bees thing was me kidding around with him. I got his point that lesbians can bear children because they are women, but I meant they need a male or sperm to create the child in the first place.
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Just Oregon, but it's been Californicated.
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Didn't california ban smoking in bars first and now a bunch of state's are following suit? They make all the crazy laws first, don't they?
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So I am hyper, I have ADHD. It's friday. I am bored. I am reading everything, and responding. In a few minutes I will go home and I won't be on the forum at all. You might not see me back until 2 AM or so. I am also posting on KSL message boards and quite a few others. I type fast...and I think fast. I was serious when I said I didn't care if it said 'horses ass' by my name. Is there a certain amount of posting one can do? In a certain time frame? I don't see how being 'all over the place' is post-pumping.

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This way if you are too stupid to control yourself or your anger you wouldn't be able to be a parent in the first place.
That's silly because a person has to be angry in the first place to spank a child.

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But a law like this one would make it so a child can go around punching people and not be held responsible until what 18 years of age.
Ha, how you came to that conclusion I will never know. Sounds like you'd be a Daily Mail reader if you lived over here.

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It's very easy to be offering parental advice when you aren't a parental figure yourself. Have a kid...then when they punch you in the face repeatedly and you can't 'spank' them to show them you are in charge, then I guess your kid will run the house. Kick ass...I hope you live in california my friend.
As I said, there are lot more other ways to assert authority over a child than by hitting them.
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Schmeet : Not really. I slap my childs hand to teach him I mean business when I am not upset in the slightest. I don't do it to hurt him, I do it to show him I mean business. When a child is too little to understand normal communication, sometimes you need to use other methods, like taking things away. Putting them in the crib for a while because they misbehaved. Etc etc...
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Schmeet : Not really. I slap my childs hand to teach him I mean business when I am not upset in the slightest. I don't do it to hurt him, I do it to show him I mean business.
That's entirely different to spanking a child though.

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When a child is too little to understand normal communication, sometimes you need to use other methods, like taking things away. Putting them in the crib for a while because they misbehaved. Etc etc...
Isn't that kind of like... my point?
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what you need here, chev is vBulletin 3.03. It has the niftiest bozo filter ever invented --> tacky goes to coventry.

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I have two boys who are excellent humans and I have never struck them except when giving boxing and self-defense lessons.

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watadoo: So when they couldn't talk, you let them do whatever the hell they want? Did you call them bozos too? Because mental abuse is actually worse than physical abuse of any kind, ask any therapist. You totally contradicted yourself just now because you said you taught your kids martial arts. If you think that resorting to physical voilence is always out of line, why would you learn self defence? I studied martial arts as well and the reason why is because I know not all sitations can be resolved with asking someone to be nice. This kind of proves the point I am trying to make.

Schmeet : The point I am trying to make about spanking is that sometimes you have to resort to making a point with a slap of a hand or a spank to show the child they can't test the waters and keep hitting others themselves. I think using a belt or a switch is much worse than a slap on the behind to get the point across.

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That's silly because a person has to be angry in the first place to spank a child.
What? Are you serious?
The last thing you want to do to a kid is show or feel any sort of anger when spanking them.

Spanking is an exercise in physical humiliation and dominance, not pain and anger.
This is why having a kid cut their own switch or get their own ruler is effective: it's humiliating.


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