Old 31st August 2004, 05:17   #1
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WTF is with [abc]'s?

Ok, I was reading an article in the school newspaper, and I noticed something weird

"If it's a real problem, [then] it's taken up with the school board."

Or something like that was the sentence. Why is "then" in brackets? I notice it a lot in newspaper stories and such, and I never understood them. Someone please help me.
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Old 31st August 2004, 05:19   #2
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it's something implied in context of the full article but not implied in the quote.

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And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands.

As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship.

from The Book of Wasabi C 12 Vs 09 (pg 2003)
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Old 31st August 2004, 05:22   #3
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so did the person actually say it or no?
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Old 31st August 2004, 05:24   #4
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Yes. In order to give a quote (but not the entire article,) they have to tell you what a person means at given points.

This is so because in English, different word orders occur in different tenses. Therefore, a story written in past tense would have to insert the lesser parts of speech into a quote that was taken in present tense.

"He ate the banana, took the peel and threw it out the window, where a child slipped on it to their death."
BECOMES
"Reports indicate he "took the [banana] peel and threw it out the window.""
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Old 31st August 2004, 05:25   #5
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Yes. In order to give a quote (but not the entire article,) they have to tell you what a person means at given points.

This is so because in English, different word orders occur in different tenses. Therefore, a story written in past tense would have to insert the lesser parts of speech into a quote that was taken in present tense.

"He ate the banana, took the peel and threw it out the window, where a child slipped on it to their death."
BECOMES
"Reports indicate he "took the [banana] peel and threw it out the window.""
oooooooooooh! Now that makes more sence. I'm not so frustrated now.
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Old 31st August 2004, 12:14   #6
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I think sometimes it can replace words too. Say, include a person's name (He said/[Bob] said) or change tense.
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Old 31st August 2004, 12:38   #7
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IT'S SPELLED "SENSE"!

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Old 31st August 2004, 12:46   #8
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Old 31st August 2004, 13:01   #9
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I think he meant tense, as in past, present, future.
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Old 31st August 2004, 13:04   #10
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and whats with the media no longer using "st","nd","rd" and "th"?

Seriously, print work is all saying "Released on 10 October!" and shit like that, damn, im even hearing it on TV now said that way.

I can only conclude that they assume people are becoming so stupid now as to not recognize what those abbreviations apply to, so they dropped them.

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IT'S SPELLED "SENSE"!

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but it's more fun to make u angry every time i spell it my way
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Old 31st August 2004, 14:22   #12
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and whats with the media no longer using "st","nd","rd" and "th"?
I don't consider myself stupid, but I have never seen those before. What do they stand for?

I have just realised how cool css is since I started to have a look at it on Saturday. When looking at csszengarden.com and some of the css files used, I noticed many of the selectors are preceded by hashes (#). What are they for?

I realise this is totally unrelated, but I don't think it merits the creation of a new thread.
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and whats with the media no longer using "st","nd","rd" and "th"?

Seriously, print work is all saying "Released on 10 October!" and shit like that, damn, im even hearing it on TV now said that way.

I can only conclude that they assume people are becoming so stupid now as to not recognize what those abbreviations apply to, so they dropped them.
Call me stupid, but I also have no idea what those mean.

I can only assume rd = Release Date, but that's all...
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Old 31st August 2004, 14:44   #14
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eh?

assuming this is not meant ironic

first (1st) second (2nd) third (3rd) fourth (4th) and even Twentyfirst (21st)

What do they teach you at school these days? Rolling joints ?

[well, I learned this at school too, not in class though]
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Old 31st August 2004, 15:13   #15
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What get's me is the [sic] you get in certain stuff - still not sure wtf it means even though I use it sometimes.

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Old 31st August 2004, 15:29   #16
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it's the abbreviation for a latin word which I miss at the moment ... but the meaning is that the author who quotes the original is aware of spelling errors, but don't correct them as for the originality of the quote
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Old 31st August 2004, 15:32   #17
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ehmmm ... sic is obviously no abbreviation but a latin word translates to "thus" or "so", sorry
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Old 31st August 2004, 15:38   #18
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so a practical example would be

Quote:
Yo[sic]! Whazzup[sic] ya[sic] Mothafuckas[sic]?!?!!
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Old 31st August 2004, 15:50   #19
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Old 31st August 2004, 16:02   #20
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It's spelled "Sence" sic

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Old 31st August 2004, 16:13   #21
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yeah !

But you fergot[sic] the square brackets
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Old 31st August 2004, 16:22   #22
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huh ?
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Old 31st August 2004, 16:26   #23
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yeah !

But you fergot[sic] the square brackets
I had enough trouble with the brackets getting that to print out without you starting

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Old 31st August 2004, 16:34   #25
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so he wanted me to edit my post ? Maybe because of feeling offended by some of the words ?
Forgive my ignorance
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No offence meant at all Jochen.

Just a light hearted reply that maybe doesn't translate too well.

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Old 31st August 2004, 16:45   #27
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no, not you

the reply by Cpt. Nuss
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so he wanted me to edit my post ? Maybe because of feeling offended by some of the words ?
Forgive my ignorance
No, it just is common practice to edit your previous post if you want to add something to it and nobody has replied yet.
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Oh ok ...

now I got it, you got me confused for a second or two

I now appear to be a post pumping whore, eh?
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While we're on the subject of print conventions ...

You can use

@ ujay

to direct a comment at a particular person.

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Quote:
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eh?

assuming this is not meant ironic

first (1st) second (2nd) third (3rd) fourth (4th) and even Twentyfirst (21st)

What do they teach you at school these days? Rolling joints ?

[well, I learned this at school too, not in class though]
OH! Those I know! I thought he meant like...idk....but yea, I know st, nd, etc. I just got confused.
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Old 31st August 2004, 17:51   #33
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Yes. So in fact we were quite stupid not to notice. That does actually irritate me, but I think it's correct in American English"now to say "on 10 October" rather than "on the 10th of October".

Something else that has always bothered me is, e.g.: "He threw the cat out the window" rather than "he threw the cat out OF the window." Also correct American English.
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No, it just is common practice to edit your previous post if you want to add something to it and nobody has replied yet.
Exactly. There really are people who understand me.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jochen
Oh ok ...

now I got it, you got me confused for a second or two

I now appear to be a post pumping whore, eh?
I really couldn't be bothered to type a complete sentence, so I took the faster route... Anyway, I didn't post it because you appeared like a "post pumping whore", but because it's just a bit annoying to see three posts by one and the same person posted in short intervals without any posts by anyone else.

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Yes. So in fact we were quite stupid not to notice. That does actually irritate me, but I think it's correct in American English"now to say "on 10 October" rather than "on the 10th of October".

Something else that has always bothered me is, e.g.: "He threw the cat out the window" rather than "he threw the cat out OF the window." Also correct American English.
prehaps they are both correct american english. But i'm a Brit, and it's starting to grate me.

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It's always grated me. I don't like American English. It's tacky.
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I especially hate those english teachers who think "non american" english is wrong

In high school my teacher constantly corrected "colour" to "color" along with everything else I wrote in British English, which was different from American.

You'd think an English teacher would have read Shakespeare, but no...

Dammit!
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Hahaha. American English is winning by default - more speakers. =P

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Yes. So in fact we were quite stupid not to notice. That does actually irritate me, but I think it's correct in American English"now to say "on 10 October" rather than "on the 10th of October".

Something else that has always bothered me is, e.g.: "He threw the cat out the window" rather than "he threw the cat out OF the window." Also correct American English.
Leaving "of" out sounds stupid, in my opinion.
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sic is a synonym for thus, or thusly, as in it was spelled thusly in the origional content.

[edit] while I thought sic was a sinonym[sic] for 'thus', it, in fact, translates directly as thus... and I don't need apostrophes around this thus or that other thus because I'm using thus to refer to the 'thus' above[/edit]

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[ps edit] and thusly is the greatest word ever[/ps edit]

And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands.

As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship.

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