Old 4th August 2007, 00:01   #1
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Service Forbidden

What would be the cause for a Shoutcast TV stream to suddenly start displaying the following message?
[ICY 403: Service Forbidden]

It was working perfectly up till this morning.
http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-tvstation.pls?id=163160
[212.72.187.16:20440;stream.nsv]

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Old 4th August 2007, 00:35   #2
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You've been banned from the stream

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Old 4th August 2007, 00:38   #3
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Okay, now Im really confused ... what would be a reason for someone, as a viewer, to be banned?
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Old 4th August 2007, 13:36   #4
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Okay, now Im really confused ... what would be a reason for someone, as a viewer, to be banned?
probably because you were streamripping

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Old 4th August 2007, 17:45   #5
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probably because you were streamripping
I might agree ... if I knew what streamripping was. But I don't think this would apply to me, unless viewing the same streaming addy on two separate computers using the same source-IP is streamripping.

Also, I don't do anything illegal as this is against the monks rules of conduct, and I am a Buddhist monk, and I take my vows seriously.

However, if by using two computers as mentioned above is streamripping, and if streamripping is illegal, then this was done inadvertently and without knowledge or intention as to what streamripping is/was.

So it looks like I'm still a bit confused as to why I would have been banned.

Thanks all for your replies to further my understanding.
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Old 4th August 2007, 18:16   #6
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i would imagine they have banned you for being greedy with their bandwidth,

people pay for it and your using 2 slots from one ip has got you banned.

contact them direct and explain and you might get back on the stream.
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Old 4th August 2007, 18:45   #7
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no disrespect intended but..
"I am a Buddhist monk, and I take my vows seriously."

I thought buddists do not recognize the individual and using the term "I" has no context....

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I might agree ... if I knew what streamripping was. But I don't think this would apply to me, unless viewing the same streaming addy on two separate computers using the same source-IP is streamripping.

Also, I don't do anything illegal as this is against the monks rules of conduct, and I am a Buddhist monk, and I take my vows seriously.

However, if by using two computers as mentioned above is streamripping, and if streamripping is illegal, then this was done inadvertently and without knowledge or intention as to what streamripping is/was.

So it looks like I'm still a bit confused as to why I would have been banned.

Thanks all for your replies to further my understanding.
while smelter already caught you on your use of "I", here's the situation:

when two connections come in, it looks like you are indeed doing an action called 'streamripping' this usually occurs when someone connects one time with a 'viewer' and another time with a 'recorder' type program, trying to save a copy for later. not only is this lame as if they wanted you to have a copy they'd make a downloadable version available, it also wastes bandwidth by making one person take two chairs in the already crowded 'virtual theater'. you could, if you were interested (and received a stay from the warden of whatever stream that is), relay that stream to all computers locally on your network, showing as only one viewer but replaying the same content to others nearby. this is beneficial for both parties: it keeps the connection to the internet clear (for the most part), and it also helps the broadcaster hold more viewers.

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... the term "I" has no context. ...
"I" as a term is only a label referencing the one communicating.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "has no context", but in Buddhism it is the idea and belief in a self as truly existing that is in question. The first of the Four Noble Truths brings to light that all things are impermanent (anicca), that craving and clinging to things that are impermanent bring about suffering (dukkha), and that because of greed, ill-will and delusion one grasps at or posits the idea of a self when in fact no-self (anatta) actually exists.

Buddha himself used the term "I" to communicate with the people around him in order to get them to understand his teaching, though he knew there was no "I", "me", "my", "mine" or "self". This could be referred to as communicating conventionally to bring about a greater wisdom of an ultimate view, or perception of reality.
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Old 4th August 2007, 22:25   #10
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... when two connections come in, it looks like you are indeed doing an action called 'streamripping'...
Well, this certainly has answered my question, on various levels. It is unfortunate, for me, and a lesson learned.

Thank you for bringing to light in such detail to further my understanding.

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Old 7th August 2007, 13:35   #11
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ummm , i think that ip looks famil to my ban list
for experimenting with the ping of death @ my router <---i like these guys because my tin foil hat is broken---> lol <--->new mime type
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