Old 15th April 2003, 14:32   #1
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How good is OGG ??

How much better is acutally Ogg vorbis than mp3? Is it good for storing music? Since i store alot of music i'm using Mpegplus, but the compability with other software is sadly small.
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Old 15th April 2003, 14:46   #2
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vorbis is better than you, your dad and your brother in one big homospectacular orgy.
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Old 15th April 2003, 15:14   #3
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Old 15th April 2003, 15:35   #4
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MPEGPlus is the best format for archiving but chances are it will never get any hardware support. Ogg is cool; MP3 is still the reference though.
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Old 15th April 2003, 15:41   #5
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If you have mad disk space available, or a DVD burner with cheap DVD-R's () then you can store the original wav files.

OGG is much better for compression while keeping good audio quality, so having the same bitrate OGG vs MP3, OGG will be better sounding and possibly smaller. OGGs also sound better while having a smaller bitrate than a higher bitrate MP3.

If you're going to archive, seer recommends MPEGPlus, but even a really high bitrate OGG is good.

Currently though OGG's hardware support is very limited, while MP3's is quite vast.

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Old 15th April 2003, 19:32   #6
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Old 15th April 2003, 21:39   #7
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Not much different from MP3, quality-wise

If you consider two audio files - MP3 and OGG - that represent either a music track ripped directly from your Audio CD, or essentially a WAV file that is encoded to MP3 & OGG resp; you would find that, for same audio compression (say, 128kbps MP3 and 0.4-0.5q OGG), both the files would sound PERFECTLY THE SAME (atleast on WA3) & their file sizes would be almost equal.

The only advantage that OGG offers over MP3, is the fact that it's open-source & non-patented - which means that you could share your OGG files with other users over the internet, download/stream OGG music tracks on websites - without having to pay for anything, or risking yourself in getting sued by the company (unlike the MP3 related issues).

I would NOT recommend you to convert your existing MP3/Mpeg Plus files to OGG, as you are converting from one lossy format to another & the resulting OGG files would sound terrible... However, you could rip your audio CDs or encode fresh WAV files to the OGG format, as you wish.
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while it is true that mp3->ogg is a "bad idea" (tm), many comparisons (both blind testing and actual wav->encoded->wave difference tests) have shown that an ogg at a set bitrate is truer to the origional file.

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OGG sounds better to me at low bitrates. Sometimes MP3 just sounds like listening to music in a telephone booth underwater, but usually OGG still sounds fine at those kind of bitrates. But although I like OGG, now that I've ripped a few CD's to my computer using it I've realized that it's hard to use the files -- Nero won't burn them, my MP3 player won't play them.

I'd have to recommend staying with MP3 if you want to burn CDs and stuff like that.
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nero(latest version) will burn them, and the next generation of mp3 players will play them as well.

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Old 16th April 2003, 13:08   #11
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Well, thanx everybody for all the replays i got

I would never change my mp3 (VBR 204) into lower quality. But i want to get a audio format to stick to, and not changing between them. The only advantage mp3 got in my opinion is how well known it is and used by so much software and is the best choice for streaming media (in my experience). MPC is excellent but lacks in compactibility. OGG offers much better compression in my opinion, is open source and can be used for archiving with good results. And still i love MPC, it sounds soo crispy...
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Old 16th April 2003, 13:23   #12
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To me, a -q4,99(~140kb/s) ogg file sounds equal to a 256kb/s MP3 file. When speaking in file sizes, ogg files save me almost 50 percent for one song.
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Old 16th April 2003, 13:33   #13
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Well, i decided to keep continiue rippin my cd's into OGG encoded with the 10.0 switch. It gives you good quality and you can still store a couple of albums on a cd-r. The only reason for using .mpc is that Jet-Audio 5 Jukebox has support for it.
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