Old 12th August 2004, 20:13   #1
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Windows XP SP2

Well, here it comes, the SP2 for Win XP.
So, what do you people think, will it make any difference at all ?! Or will it only bring more new bugs to Win XP ?

I'll have to wait 'till SP2 pt-br comes out ... So, if any of you has already downloaded it (Yessss, P2P, BitTorrent, Google [LoL]), what did you finde about it ?!

This remembers me about a thread that was about creating a Computer Center in forums or something ...

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Old 12th August 2004, 20:20   #2
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more bugs..not gonna bother for six mnths at least till they bring the first sp1 for sp2 out

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Old 12th August 2004, 20:24   #3
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Actually, from the few technical details I've read, it's going to make Windows XP instead of break it. Granted, you may lose some program compatibility due to security upgrades and dumping legacy support for applications (ie no more 16bit programs, a lot of 3rd party command line tools won't work), but in this day and age, isn't it worth it?
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I've run SP2 for several months now, from builds in the early-1000s, up to the experimental 2162 build, and currently the latest stable 2158 build.

When I first installed it, I had some problems with some my corporate programs, and oddly with Winamp (closing a few seconds after starting). But soon after a new build was available, and I've never had any problems since that could be attributed to the service pack.

It'll make the biggest difference for people who don't run their own security components. It will help manage their firewall, anti-virus and auto-update apps, and will provide them with a fairly configurable set of security features.

But if you're like me and run your own "cocktail" of security apps, then SP2 will not provide as much of a jump in security.

It will, however, block some more security holes in the OS and in IE, and fix some of Microsoft's other 50,000+ outstanding bugs with Windows as well. (Yes, I've seen the MS issue tracking database...it's terrifying.)

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Old 12th August 2004, 22:25   #5
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I work at a cable ISP, and the one thing that actually makes me excited is the self-reparing Winsock module. For anyone who has had to reload Windows because they can't get online (more technical explanation: winsock and tcp/ip become corrupt for some reason, and because of the integrated nature of tcp/ip and winsock with WinXP, it makes those items virtually impossible to just reinstall without modifying the registry), that worry will be pretty much eliminated.
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this whole question is pretty subjective.
Most people have had a lot of the SP2 updates installed for a while now via windows update.
I think the wireless wizard has been a good update.
But the main thing has been the security center. Which has always been in xp, it was just hidden in the system menu.
And Im not a big fan of software firewalls anyway.


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Old 12th August 2004, 23:33   #7
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Old 12th August 2004, 23:47   #8
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No problems so far and the security manager will doubtless reduce the risk of more mass virus outbreaks by making people aware of security.

Good stuff by MS.


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Old 13th August 2004, 00:38   #9
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I thought MS was supposed to be releasing the redist file on their site. Is it there and I'm just overlooking it, or do I have to wait to get it from there?
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Yeah ... I've been reading stuff about SP2 since the beginig too ...
Well, it's pretty amazing what people can do when they wanna do the right way ....
But, as I said, I gotta wait until pt-br is released ... so ... if there's is any issue, I hope they fix it 'til there ...

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Old 13th August 2004, 03:11   #11
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Oh! And don't forget Windows Longhorn is comming, so expect more SPs and releases....

It's been in the past since Windows 95 and always will....

For-ever and ever....

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I've heard it causes issues with p2p programs, something about limiting connections, but at the same time i've heard that that's bs, so idk. I'll get it when it comes on windows update
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Old 13th August 2004, 04:50   #13
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Old 13th August 2004, 07:36   #14
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It's been out for a while.

Anyway, been running it since last weekend or so and haven't had any issues with it. Then again, I did turn off many of the services it installed and disabled a lotta the other new stuff. :P

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I've heard it causes issues with p2p programs, something about limiting connections, but at the same time i've heard that that's bs, so idk. I'll get it when it comes on windows update
I'm connected to a hundred or so people right now on one port - no issues.

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Old 13th August 2004, 14:18   #16
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I might install it in a few weeks. Things such as security fixes don't bother me so much as I'm behind a harware firewall (so can't get external connections to my PC to exploit it) and don't use IE. There may be open exploits on my PC but things can't get to them to take advantage.

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Old 13th August 2004, 14:28   #17
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I'm connected to a hundred or so people right now on one port - no issues.
It screwed up torrent for me, but I fixed the file for unlim connections since I dont need to limit to prevent worms when I secure my pcs properly. you can get sp2 now at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en but its the full thing, windows update will only install what you need.

Other then the easily fixable max connection thing it works great.


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Old 13th August 2004, 15:29   #18
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I'm running SP 2 since two days ago. Seems quite nice, didn't have any problems yet.

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But the main thing has been the security center. Which has always been in xp, it was just hidden in the system menu.
What do you mean by system menu?

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Good stuff by MS.
My opinion also.

And regardless of the security having been in Windows for a while, it's actually useful when it's enabled now, whereas before it was very primitive.

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That's what Ive hear too ....
Well ... I'll wait ... no hurry !

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Old 13th August 2004, 20:05   #22
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I worked for Sun Microsystems for two years, 2000-2002. I managed their buglists as the software configuration manager. I still have nightmares about the code reviews, but therapy is helping me through.

Really? I was there 2002-2003 as a SW Engineer in the Continuation Engineering department in Consett, UK.

My code reviews went ok, not too many problems.

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Really? I was there 2002-2003 as a SW Engineer in the Continuation Engineering department in Consett, UK.

My code reviews went ok, not too many problems.
Very cool. I suppose then that you heard about the first wave of layoffs that Sun ever had in the US is 2002? That's what happened to me. Actually, they decentralized SCM a good bit, and my entire department ended up going away. But let me tell you, their severance package kicks ass! I made more money from the severance over 6 months than I did the entire previous year as a regular employee.

But anyway, regarding XP SP2, something else I've heard is that some apps have to be reinstalled after loading up SP2, especially communications apps like P2P, SSH, FTP, etc. So if anyone has a problem with an app in that category after installing SP2, uninstallation and reinstallation should usually fix it.

I had to reinstall SecureFX myself after I loaded one of the early SP2 beta's, but that was all.

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Yeah I was there then, we were worried for a bit but UK engineering survived that one. But then they got rid of 200 UK engineers and shipped that all off to the US and india. So some poor sod in America is maintaining the FT1800!

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...you may lose some program compatibility due to security upgrades and dumping legacy support for applications (ie no more 16bit programs, a lot of 3rd party command line tools won't work), ...
I will upgrade at home, but at work I will have to wait and see because of the above. I have to support some legacy code that was made in Borland C++ 3.x. I hope this gives the users a good reason to upgrade.

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Old 13th August 2004, 22:34   #26
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its already out...

SP2 is already out.. (yes its the full version).. just not to windows update yet

here is proof (by microsoft themselves), regarding the release date!!
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August 06, 2004 - Release to manufacturing (RTM), available on MSDN!
August 09, 2004 - Release to Microsoft Download Center Network Installation Package and or Express Installation Package

August 16, 2004 - Release to Automatic Updates.
August 16, 2004 - Release to Software Update Services.
August ??, 2004 - Release to Windows Update.
REDMOND, Wash. - August. 6, 2004, 10:08:00 AM - Microsoft Corp. today announced the release to manufacturing of Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies.
This free service pack delivers the latest security updates and innovations from Microsoft, establishes strong default security settings, and adds new proactive protection features that will help better safeguard computers from hackers, viruses and other security risks. During the worldwide rollout of Service Pack 2, Microsoft will localize the software in 25 languages over the next two months and distribute it to computer manufacturers, enterprise customers and consumers through downloads, retail installation, free CD's and on new PC's. The easiest way for current Windows XP users to ensure they receive Service Pack 2 when it releases in their language is to simply turn on the Automatic Updates feature in Windows XP.
Customers with Automatic Updates enabled will receive the latest security updates for Windows XP, along with updated installation software that will optimize the download experience of Service Pack 2 and all future updates to Windows XP.
The timing for customers to receive the Service Pack 2 download through Automatic Updates depends on a number of factors, including the customer's Internet usage, location, language and the level of Internet demand for Service Pack 2.
Automatic Updates uses spare Internet capacity to progressively download updates without interfering with daily PC use.
Microsoft expects to distribute Service Pack 2 to approximately 100 million PCs through Automatic Updates over the next two months.
heres the links to the RTM (release to manufacturing)


WARNING!!! if you are using a pirated/warez version of XP, then do NOT install this!!!!!!11!! (this can be defeated, but i wouldnt know anything about that )

English: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...35-SP2-ENU.exe

MD5 HASH ID: 59A98F181FE383907E520A391D75B5A7

German (just in case :P): http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...35-SP2-DEU.exe

MD5 HASH ID: 2FA1439DD7425848BA187213F9B9949F

i have downloaded it and installed it fine (except with a conflict with atapi.sys.. which was caused by Alcohol 120%), and it is VERY good..
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actually, it works on pirated and warez version. MS decided to let this service pack slip.
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damn.. then i changed my cd key for nothing..
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I think the keys that SP1 blocked are still blocked, but if you already have SP1 on a new warez key then it's ok.

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I can't install it from windows update.

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I, for one, think SP2 is a great addition to XP. It finally adds security so Microsoft can try and concentrate on things other than damn IE holes and stuff. I'd like to see more focus on fixing actual bugs that security holes.
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I've heard it causes issues with p2p programs, something about limiting connections, but at the same time i've heard that that's bs, so idk. I'll get it when it comes on windows update
It dropped my connection from 300-400 KBps down to 100-200 KBps. There are fixes going around, though, which brings it from 10 connections to 50. So far my connection is back to its normal speeds.

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It dropped my connection from 300-400 KBps down to 100-200 KBps. There are fixes going around, though, which brings it from 10 connections to 50. So far my connection is back to its normal speeds.

http://www.lvllord.de/4226fix/4226fix.htm
i think that its 10 connections per second that its limiting..
because me nor anybody i know with sp2 had a problem with making more than 10 connections
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i think that its 10 connections per second that its limiting..
because me nor anybody i know with sp2 had a problem with making more than 10 connections
Yeah, it is

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Well, nice to know this issues ... before getting it ...
Let's how many will come to public before I get it ... bets ?!

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I think it's good that programs will be broken in the name of security and good programming practice. Programmers should be forced to program properly to stop potential threats.

I think AVIPreview that comes with Kazaa Lite is screwed over by this due the need to mark memory as executable.

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