Old 19th September 2001, 08:31   #1
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Time better spent?

While hunting down rips is definitely a worthy task, don't you think that time would be better spent doing something a little more objective?

For example, deciding whether WoodAmp is a rip of TreeAmp is usually subjective... so why not spend some time organizing all the skins, plugins, and avs presets instead. For example an AVS preset clearly isn't a general plugin, yet when I browse for general plugins there are always some AVS presets in the list.

Furthermore, the time could be spent creating a category for the non-plugins that somehow get put on the site in a plugin category (i.e. MikroAmp skins regularly appear in the plugin secion, why not make a new section for Misc skinning stuff - you could put those skinning apps in there too).

And you may as well create a section for AVS presets, or maybe just a Preset Page with different sections for all the Vis plugins that support presets (i.e. AVS presets, Excess presets, Milkdrop presets). What do ya say peeps?
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Old 19th September 2001, 08:37   #2
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I say your in the wrong forum for this, this is a forum for reporting ripped skins/plugins.

Not a discussion forum for debating the merits of the various sections of the winamp.com database.

Hold on a minute while I decide which new forum to move it to....
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Old 19th September 2001, 08:45   #3
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Moved from rip reporting forum.

Oh and by the way, while I belive your idea has merit, I think the likely hood of it happening is remote, given that at the minute winamp.com can't even get a working database with the structure it has, what do you think the chances are of totaly re-designing it?

Also remember that pretty much all of the web dev team got laid off in the last round of AOL job cuts, so there aint anyone around to develop this kind of stuff.

Sux I know.
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Old 19th September 2001, 09:27   #4
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Moved from rip reporting forum.
Thanks, although I don't really think it belongs here either... really not any good spot for this topic?

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Oh and by the way, while I belive your idea has merit, I think the likely hood of it happening is remote, given that at the minute winamp.com can't even get a working database with the structure it has, what do you think the chances are of totaly re-designing it?
This was my point, instead of spending time chasing down what might or might not be a rip spend that time on making the site more useful (i.e. having plugins in their correct buckets is not a re-design issue and wouldn't take too long to fix if people helped much like they do for the rip reporting).

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Also remember that pretty much all of the web dev team got laid off in the last round of AOL job cuts, so there aint anyone around to develop this kind of stuff.

Sux I know.
I know about the lay-offs, and it sux BUT I also know that the people that are still around can do what it takes to get an AVS page together, etc. (it's web design, not rocket science )
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Old 19th September 2001, 09:49   #5
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Well the people that are reporting the rips are members of the public and not as such winamp.com people , so they are not using up anyones time or resources but their own. The people that are removing the rips etc etc are again a group of volunteers from the community, who are also reviewing (if the database ever works), we dont have that kind of access to the servers to do site changes.

Once a rip is reported, which happend every couple of days, it's only a matter of minutes to remove it, or not as the case is somedays.

As regards putting together a seperate page for the avs stuff, while it may be a simple enuff task for the guys that are left to throw together the templates for the pages, it's the back end database stuff that would cause all the issues, a rather specialised area of coding, if it was that easy the database would be fixed now, as it is, the database has been screwed for the best part of a month now with no immediate resolution in sight, although there are people working on fixing it, how long those fixes last is anyones guess. It has been mentioned somewhere else that, without constant love and care the DB, amongst other areas of the winamp site, tend to break with alarming regularity, again this is caused by the complexity of the backend database stuff.

Now before everyone jumps up and says "well why dont you let me have a look at fixing it for you, i can do backend work", ask yourself this, would you turn over your site to a complete outsider?, we are not talking about a small home page here, we are talking a vast database, running a vast ammount of code, that is visited by a vast ammount of people, not good company policy to allow outsiders in to poke around in it. I have access to areas of the site that the general public dosn't, forum control, skin/plug in control, article submissions etc etc, but even my access is limited to the areas that I contribute/work in, AOL/NS would never give me, or anyone else, access to critical areas of the site. After all, just takes one person to get pissed off with NS/AOL who has access to the site, to do some pretty serious shit.

So the development will stay in house, it'll stay simple in order for it to keep working, if the web dev team were still around, I'm sure things like you suggest would have come along in time, but untill AOL does a U-turn and puts people back in full time positions to do this, it's not likely to happen.

Still sucks.
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Old 19th September 2001, 10:01   #6
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Okay so the separate AVS preset page is definitely out... but sounds like you can move stuff into the correct buckets right? (i.e. get the general plugins out of the windowed plugins area, the avs presets out of the gen/vis/etc. plugin area, etc... heck there is even a MikroAmp skin set in the windowed plugin area?).

Furthermore, to avoid this in the future it seems that the volunteer reviewers may need to double check the categories under which the developer put his/her plugin/preset/skin.

Time to get some sleep
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Furthermore, to avoid this in the future it seems that the volunteer reviewers may need to double check the categories under which the developer put his/her plugin/preset/skin.

Time to get some sleep
They do at present, however the reviewers are concentrating on skins, as this is the biggest part of the submission area, still vast backlogs of stuff in there to clear, skins are being re-assigned categories as they are reviewed, and it is part of the plan to do this for the entire database.

Plugins, I belive are still being reviewed by the in-house NS staff, hence the reason why some of the categories may be screwy on submissions, the head llamas are not as dilligent as the volunteer llama's , at some point in the future this may change and they may also move into the plug in section, but again that's down to the site admin to say yay or nay to, we only go where were told

But being the caring sharing kind of guy that I am, I shall bring your suggestions to some of the head llama's and see what their views on the subject are, I can't promise anything will get done, but you never know.

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