Old 6th March 2001, 17:44   #81
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IE is NOT one of the better programs.
It crashes all the time, often causing windows to crash too.
Netscape on the other hand, ported to more systems, and also more stable..
Looks like I'm not the only one who considers IE a piece of shit! Also, when I tried to install IE 6 Beta Build 2403 on my computer, it prompted me to enter a user name and a password and I don't even know it! Blast it! SCREW THOSE MICROSOFT IDIOTS! If anyone knows it, please send the info to me to netscape_rules_007@hotmail.com or on ICQ at ICQ# 87028626!

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Old 7th March 2001, 09:32   #82
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Microsoft don't know what they're doing.

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Exactly, jns! Microsoft is just stupid as hell!

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Old 8th March 2001, 09:29   #84
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It is as true as the fact that your sig is huge.

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Old 8th March 2001, 09:51   #85
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great idea. even i do not use much of it, but it could be useful.
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Old 8th March 2001, 09:58   #86
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Linux is cool - too few device drivers tho. If there were a way i could use my modem with it i would.

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I'll be testing Linux Mandrake 7.1 on Monday to see how it works! If you're wondering if there is a Linux version of Winamp, there is, believe it or not! It's called XMMS and you can access most of the Winamp skins and plug-ins with that program cause this program is exactly like Winamp!

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Old 9th March 2001, 04:24   #88
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first, linux mandrake 7.1 is a slightly old version, I would go with the newest beta release, it should have X 4.x and the 2.4 kernel as well as reiserFS with it. XMMS is not made by nullsoft. It is a good mp3 player that uses alot of winamp's design but won't be nearly as good as winamp 3 so it isn't just winamp under another name.
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I see your point. However, I won't be testing Mandrake for a while, but I did use it once on someone else's computer. I found it better than Windows in many ways.

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Old 10th March 2001, 03:00   #91
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If you have win 98 with the latest version of internet explorer than windows wont crash when IE does which is not ever. IE 5.5 for mac is even better than IE 5.5 for windows.. sadly =(. Netscape however sucks cock. COUGH COUGH 6.0 COUGH. I like the name seamonkey better anyway

Netscape crashes when you open to many windows and do to many things in those windows at once. I do that with internet explorer all the time and its rock solid.

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I gotta say i don't know shit about computers. My family buyed one two years ago and i'm still using it. It's a HP pavilion with one of those god-awful windows 98 rescue disks. I once got tired of the stupid thing crashing every 2 hours after i turned it on, so i had to take a desperated measure... I downloaded Linux with my 56k modem. It took me two days (not uninterrupted) so i burned it on a cd and installed it in my computer. I used it for a couple of months, but I gotta say linux isn't for newbies. I hate microsoft's guts, but i have to stick to windows because of the lack of drivers. So Im stuck in a stupid "designed to work with windows 98" computer. I just wish hardware companies didn't design their stupid computers to work with windows only.
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If only I had another hard drive, then I'd be able to test Linux Mandrake! However, Netscape 6 never crashed on my Windows Me, but IE crashed my computer every 30 minutes!

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we all know microsoft sucks, netscape is a good browser but its nothing to worship or make a fuss over
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True! Like no program is perfect! For example, ICQ worked really good until one of my DLL's got f*ed up! So, that led to uninstalling and reinstalling! Also, every program, even Wordperfect, Netscape, Copernic, you name it, has too much crap in it! They're just trying to outdo the competition!

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Old 28th April 2001, 16:39   #96
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I've read this whole thread. Very interesting. A very much expected flame when someone wants a Linux port of a program that currently works only under Windows.

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Exactly, jns! Microsoft is just stupid as hell!
Unfortunately, Amplidex and jns, that <Austrian town> Microsoft is not stupid at all. They want MONEY. They know very well that they are writing a crap software. They know they are incompatible. They are deliberately incompatible. Since they control a lot of computers and their users, by being incompatible they make it harder for their users to switch to something else. They make poor users believe they need new versions so that they are stuck with Microsoft formats and when Microsoft formats get debugged the new formats are already used.

Also, Microsoft uses loads of money for advertising and contracts to make sure that everything will work under Windows and that every little village in the middle of nowhere will know about it (talking about their mad Win95 advertising after WFW 3.11). Plus many others advertise for Microsoft and are not paid for that at all. If you offer some software that will only work under Windows - aren't you saying something like "You need Windows."?

I'm glad that Microsoft fails sometimes when trying to make standards. ActiveX instead of Java, some strange networking instead of TCP/IP, can't think of anything else right now.

Those of you who say that open source and sharing doesn't make money - so you want to buy software and mostly cause Microsoft to make money?

As for the original topic of this thread - I'll try LinuxAmp and XMMS but I do hope WinAmp to be ported to Linux soon.

By the way, Amplidex, do you know that hotmail is run by <Austrian town> Microsoft? Which reminds me - Microsoft had big problem trying to use their own OS for the server. I'm not sure what they use right now.

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I don't see the problem with all you windows guys - if WA3 is ported onto Linux, how will that harm you - just cos you personally like windows doesn't mean that no-one else should get a look in at your software - anyway - XMMS is damn near as good as WA2 - I wonder if they'll get the job done before nullsoft when WA3 is released
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there is one. [img]http://pajama-boy.***********/hereitis.png[/img]
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there is one. [img]http://pajama-boy.***********/hereitis.png[/img]
Ah... I'm blind. Thanks.

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I know all of that Microsoft crap inside out! Companies like Corel, RealNetworks, Winamp, and Netscape like to be honest with their software and that's why they're so much better than Microsoft's! Microsoft just wants to mind control every computer on this planet! However, this is NOT going to work cause I'm going to get Linux in June and once I find it better than Windows, then I'm going to cause a worldwide revolt, even if it means being sued by Microsoft! My focus is to liberate the computer competition! Microsoft probably keep all the good programs only for themselves!

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I know all of that Microsoft crap inside out! Companies like Corel, RealNetworks, Winamp, and Netscape like to be honest with their software and that's why they're so much better than Microsoft's!
RealNetworks HONEST with their software, now that is the funniest thing I have heard all week. Don't you people remember the RealNetworks spying on its users with player and jukebox crap?
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez! That's the most stupid news I've heard all day! RealPlayer and RealJukebox aren't spyware, but I know that Gator.com is!

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Old 2nd May 2001, 12:42   #103
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I know all of that Microsoft crap inside out...Microsoft just wants to mind control every computer on this planet!
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a) Win2k shows that M$ can produce fairly decent programs if they want to...unfortunately their marketing department insist on releasing new software every 2 years or so, which means that release versions of their software are in reality beta (if I remember correctly, it took 5-6 service packs to stabilise NT4...and 'consumer' Windoze is still version 4 (95=v4.0, 98=v4.1, ME=v4.9).

b) As M$ Windoze and Orfice are so widespread, M$ could charge $1,000 per application and the masses would still fork out for it...

c) I remember reading somewhere that the .NET strategy of renting Orfice from their servers will not only cut down in pracy, but also mean a 400% increase in profits.

d) M$ have replaced their old aim of "a computer on every desk in every home in every country in the world" with "Windoze Everywhere"...with them getting increasingly interested in XML (a standard which they will undoubtedly "customise" beyond recognition), C# (think VB meets MS Java (J++?) - possibly to avoid Sun's lawsuits) and their .NET strategy, internet access will soon become mandatory for future M$ offerings (ie. they want to make the DoJ's ruling obsolete asap).

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-oOo-

Unfortunately Linux/FreeBSD are still regarded by the majority of the public as the domain of geeks and hackers, too complicated for use by ordinary (l)users. Being freeware, it's going to take some serious ad campaigns by commercial *nix supporters (e.g. Sun, RedHat) to change that view

Which leaves me with the .sig I once saw lurking the 'net:

Win95: 32bit extensions to a 16bit GUI for an 8bit OS
based on 4bit code by a 2bit company that can't
stand 1bit of competition!

Make of it what you will...

(vows to start making on-topic posts in future...)
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Old 4th May 2001, 08:43   #104
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AmpliDex RealNetworks does spy on it's users just read this article that was on the new york times website (you need to register to read it on the site so I pasted it here for lazy people)

RealNetworks' popular RealJukebox
software for playing CD's on
computers surreptitiously monitors the
listening habits and certain other activities
of people who use it and continually
reports this information, along with the
user's identity, to RealNetworks, said a
security expert who intercepted and
examined data generated by the program.

In interviews last week, company officials
acknowledged that RealJukebox, which
can copy music to a user's hard drive and
download it from the Internet as well as
play it, gathers information on what music
users are playing and recording.

Dave Richards,
RealNetworks'
vice president for
consumer
products, said the
company gathered
the information to
customize services
for individual
users.

He and other
company officials
insisted that the
practice did not violate consumer privacy
because the information was not being
stored by RealNetworks nor distributed to
other companies.

But privacy advocates and security
experts interviewed last week were
unanimous in condemning the practice,
calling it a violation of the privacy of the
13.5 million registered users of
RealJukebox, almost all of whom have
given the company their names and
e-mail addresses.

Even if the company's use of the data is
benign, these experts said, the practice is
unacceptable because of the secrecy:
RealNetworks, one of the largest
distributors of audio software on the
Internet, does not inform consumers that
they are being identified and monitored
by the company.

The information that RealNetworks
gathers is extensive. According to Richard
M. Smith, an independent Internet
security consultant from Brookline,
Mass., who discovered RealJukebox's
monitoring functions, each time the
program is started on a computer
connected to the Internet, it sends in the
following information to the company: the
number of songs stored on the user's hard
drive; the kind of file formats --
RealAudio or MP3 -- the songs are stored
in; the quality level of the recordings; the
user's preferred music genre, and the type
of portable music player, if any, that the
user has connected to the computer.
Officials at RealNetworks said most of
this information was used to offer music
selections to users based on their
preferences.

All this information is combined with a
personal serial number known as a
globally unique identifier, or GUID, which
is assigned to each user when he or she
registers the software.

RealJukebox is distributed only on the
Internet, and users are instructed to
register -- giving the company their
names, e-mail addresses and ZIP codes --
when they install the software.

What is more, if RealJukebox is used with
its default settings, it automatically loads
each time a CD is inserted in the
CD-ROM drive, and if the computer is
connected to the Internet, the title of the
CD is sent, together with the GUID, to
RealNetworks.

"Either they have been dazzlingly careless
with their treatment of personally
identifiable information or they are
completely disingenuous," said Jason
Catlett, founder and president of
Junkbusters, a privacy watchdog
organization. "Which is worse? If they are
not disclosing what they are doing, that is
unconscionable."

Some other CD player programs also
assign GUID's to each copy of the
software. The difference lies in what they
do with it. The Microsoft Corporation, for
example, says that the unique identifier in
its Windows Media Player is used for
such things as purchasing multimedia
from a Web site. It is not routed through
Microsoft, nor does Microsoft require
users to register, and it does not gather
information through Media Player, said a
spokesman for Waggener Edstrom, a
public relations firm that represents
Mircrosoft.

The fact that RealJukebox is gathering
this information is not mentioned in the
long privacy policy the company posts on
its Web site. Nor is it acknowledged in
the licensing agreement that users must
approve when installing the program.

David Banisar, a lawyer in Washington
who specializes in Internet law, said that
RealNetworks' surveillance practices
could violate various state and federal
statutes, including the Computer Fraud
and Abuse Act. "It's a new type of case
that hasn't been brought before," he said.
"But I think it's a pretty good case."

Banisar argued that RealJukebox could be
considered a "trojan horse," a legitimate
program that contains hidden instructions
to perform illegitimate functions.

Company officials said on
Friday that the registration
procedure for the free version
of RealJukebox did ask for
personal information,
including name and e-mail
address, but they said that
users could skip the
registration and still use the
program and that
RealJukebox would stop
prompting users to register
after five attempts. Some
customers, they said, had
stumbled on this fact and had
declined to register.

However, customers who
purchase RealJukebox Plus, a version
with enhanced features that
RealNetworks sells online for $29.99 with
a money-back guarantee, cannot avoid
registering since they must type in a
unique serial number to install the
program. And in this case, RealNetworks
also gathers credit card and mailing
address information before it assigns the
number.

Richards of RealNetworks said the reason
the program tallied the number of songs a
user had recorded was to enable the
company to determine whether the user
was "naïve" or "sophisticated." This better
enables the software to steer sophisticated
users toward its advanced features, he
said.

But this seemed at odds with a statement
by Steve Banfield, RealNetworks' general
manager of consumer products, who said
the company was gathering only
"aggregate usage" information about users
of the software.

Privacy experts said the kind of
information being gathered by
RealJukebox had the potential to be used
to detect copyright violations.

Banfield said that to his knowledge, the
company had no plans to allow
information about individual users to be
used in this manner.

But Catlett of Junkbusters said that such
information could be subpoenaed under
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
"This usage and tracking information is a
way for them to collect intrusive profiles
about people and possibly set up
prosecutions for copyright infringements,"
he said.

Like some 250 other such programs,
RealJukebox licenses the right to use a
database of CD titles and tracks that is
compiled and maintained by a company
called CDDB. This enables the software
to display the title and tracks of a CD
moments after it is loaded into the
computer.

To do this, the program must send out
information to CDDB every time a user
plays a CD.

But unlike other popular programs,
RealJukebox routes the information
through its own servers and tags it with
the GUID, which uniquely identifies the
user.

Banfield said the information went to
CDDB via a proxy server, a computer
that masks certain data, to protect the
privacy of RealJukebox users. He said it
was his understanding that CDDB
typically collected a user's e-mail address
each time its database was queried, but
by using a proxy server, he said,
RealNetworks' users were all generically
identified as user@real.com.

Banfield painted RealNetworks as a
defender of consumer privacy, asserting:
"Everyone else who uses that database
sends them their e-mail address. We
don't."

Ann Greenberg, senior vice president of
marketing and business development for
CDDB, said last week that her company
"strongly encourages but does not
require" e-mail addresses or any other
identifiers than enable the company to
tally unique users of its database. She said
the addresses were purged every four
days. But she said it was not fair for
RealNetworks' to blame CDDB for
gathering personal information.

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http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/...es/01real.html
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Back to something mentioned on this thread ages ago...
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but, for your information bazza, winamp 3.0 is being ported to *nix and mac os x (or so i hear about os x, i dont know how much of that is truthfull
Does anyone have an information regarding this as I haven't seen any anywhere...??
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For anyone who is interested: Caldera 2.4(been using it for 2yrs)is the most like "Windows" and seems to have pretty good driver support. I was even able to install it on my lady friends laptop. Corel has the best support for the so called "winmodems" but is so limited and outdated. I currently have four Linux partitiuons. Caldera eDesktop 2.4, Suse 7.0, Mandrake 8.0, and last and least Corel. I have also at one time or another have had Redhat 7.0 and 7.1, slackware 8.0 and of these the one I would think that newbies could handle the easiest would be Caldera.
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The great day has finally cam upon us

Some folks subscribed to this thread might not've already heard this, but there's an .rpm they might be interested in downloading here:

http://ftp24e.newaol.com/winamp/clie....a1-1.i386.rpm

Discussion seems to be going on in this thread:

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