How does discontinuation of WinAmp affect ShoutCast?

[voodoohippie]

The Teleconference is an Mp3 file you can Download in which there was a conversation all about AAC+. And as far as broadcastimg software you will see NextKast on their site. Why do you care about a soon to be defunct DSP anyway just think its odd.

The reason I made it clear they didnt invent Icecast was that surely AOL would try and somehow twist things. Look I am not the bad guy here. Sorry the ship your defending is like the Titanic. No need to worry if one likes the older DSP which is all over the net. we all need to know all options now that Winamp and Shoutcast is fading. For a Real broadcaster dedicated Broadcast software is the way to go. At the end of it all when Shoutcast and Winamp dies the developers will move to greener pastures just like many other projects not looking bact to Shoutcast.

[jaromanda]

Originally Posted by voodoohippie

Sorry the ship your defending is like the Titanic.

I'm not defending AOL/Winamp/Shoutcast having not shoutcasted (that's a word you know) in over 2 years - I've only kept coming back to this forum for NSIS stuff really, but I like to see what's happening in the world of shoutcast, seeing as I did take over (and abandoned) edcast development

When I do come back to broadcasting, it most likely will be with my own server software (which works with shoutcast DSP v1 and v2, both audio and video, and plays well with all common players, including natively in flash, because it's also a Flash Media Server clone) and my own encoder software - the only thing missing is "YP" stuff - but shoutcast YP hasn't exactly been reliable anyway

[streamfinder]

I don't think it is all that bad... Even if AOL discontinues WinAmp I doubt they will sunset the Shoutcast directory (yp) - they get too much traffic and ad views on that site to shut it down. Just wouldn't make business sense.

And the software you bought still works - you are able to stream using shoutcast and run your radio station. You can get listed in other directories like vtuner, tunein and streamfinder (see my sig ;-).

Even if shoutcast goes down there are icecast, steamcast and other server apps you can use. If YP goes down I will build a new one and let everybody point their radio stations to it.

No need to "fml" !

[Azoto85]

Our company provides solutions with Shoutcast 2.0 and Auto-DJ with mp3. It's impossible by now to buy a Broadcaster Mp3 License, how does it works for the short feature? How can we stream MP3 without this key?

We are moving to Icecast and Icecast-kh for now, but we need to know when this license can be available or the Shoutcast DNAS 2 will be patched for this feature

[Azoto85]

What about the mp3 broadcaster key in the short feature?

[neralex]

Its hard to understand what AOL here does. It would make me sad if Winamp and Shoutcast is closed. I hope that DrO will continue to develop both, and he finds a new home for both projects.

[voodoohippie]

He should give AOFail the finger and re brand SC2 get rid of Auth hash and make it more user friendly live 1.9.8 was. I think all you stream hosts need to go back to 1.9.8 DNAS till this gets fixed IF EVER or just move to Ivecast V2 KH.

If you really dont think someone will patch SC2 to not need a license lol think again its all over Torrent sites around the globe and maybe p2p sites. AOFail dont care about Internet Radio anymore but there own music services they may open.

Nullsoft was great years ago but give something to AOFail and you know what to expect.

[DrO]

yet i actually believe in the authhash system as it provides a fixed reference point which then means v2 based listings are stable and not flakey like anything coming from a v1.x DNAS.

as all of the YP issues relate to v1.x based listings and trying to ensure they maintain the stationid, etc when there's no fixed point of reference which is the reason for the authhash system.

and things were changed to all be in-DNAS so people didn't have to go through the mess of signing up for things which they repeatedly said they didn't want to do when the authhash system was first implemented (some did, but the majority didn't and so that's what happened).

the issue was more that the first iteration of the in-DNAS implementation wasn't as solid as it should have been and i wasn't able to fix it quickly enough before being moved onto other projects (though the v2.2 appears to have resolved those problems for the main part i.e. it'll auto-generate and is more v1.x like).


and lets clarify something else, it is _only_ sc_trans which requires a paid license and that is purely to handle MP3 encoding, the DNAS does not need that and bar any YP specific aspects, like all of the DNAS releases, if you set it to be private, it's off the grid and will just run irrespective of the rumours that are being floating around.

and the removal of the MP3 unlock buying access should not have happened and is meant to be being restored.

and if you have a license already, then it will work and will always work as long as it's in the config file as there is _no_ server-side look up, hence it being able to be run happily on a LAN only setup.

[Atnevon]

That's good info DrO. I'm sure a lot of people will be relieved by it.

Now we just need to see what announcement are made this week about Shoutcast, if any.

[ItTakesTwo]

Originally Posted by DrO

and the removal of the MP3 unlock buying access should not have happened and is meant to be being restored.

Good to hear! And in the meantime we could buy a MP3 license here http://gc.digitalriver.com/store/win...ctID.165220700 or am I wrong?

[DrO]

that is a valid link (not one we were aware off bizarrely enough) so that will allow you to get it whilst waiting on the normal shop link to be re-enabled.

[Obsdark]

Good Days

I'm not sure where i can post this but, since Winamp is no longer be part of AOL i wanna ask what's gonna happend with Shoutcast services (radio & tv) i used to see them, it was cool & aparently now are going to be close forever.

But i wanna know if there is any discussion out ther about this topic, i don't like the idea of lose Shoutcast services but i would LOVE the idea of experiment a little bit with this Tech,

is there any relased code of Shoutcast arround? or something like that? i really love Shoutcast keep alive btw

Thanks for everything


-Obsdark-

[Jkey]

Inevitability of change.

If you are a broadcaster or business owner that relies upon shoutcast technology,
Now would be a good time for plan B.

[Tag]

Hey guys,

If YP really goes down, we need to talk. I've got some ideas, bandwidth and a hex-editor.

I'm still in the streaming radio game, just not publicly (for now).

Cheers

[Jkey]

I tried searching for your station a while back Tag and could not find it.

Personally I would be more interested in a shoutcaster lead future
than a microsoft one

I will keep an eye on what you trouble makers do next

[Tag]

Jkey,

I gave my station to a long time friend and co-manager 'Milkman' Stephen Bourland. It's still on somafm.com and it's now called 'The Trip'

[DrO]

had wondered why the name change had happened.

[Jkey]

I see Tag Nice to speak to you after all this time, I hope all is well in
your life.

The more I sit and think about the SHOUTcast situation, The more it sucks.
Dro has worked so hard over the past year+, it has to be a kick in the balls
if it all just gets switched off.

[Tag]

Dro has done some impressive work, very proud of him. I had many ideas for SC2 and he seemed to nail every one of them, except for FLV wrapping.

I find it hard to believe that AOL will let Shoutcast or Winamp for that matter; die on the vine. Someone will buy them up. The Nullsoft audience is just too large to throw away.

They won't open-source it though, I can pretty much say that with certainty, even if they did, they couldn't provide any of the 3rd party licensed ($$$) Libraries. If they do just kill it off, we'll spin up a new YP with a patch script for sc_serv/2 and all will be right in the world.

[thinktink]

/em whips out a bucket of popcorn and a large soda...

[Jkey]

Sorry for delay I had a night shift

I have nothing but respect for you Tag and don't want to come across as attacking your ideas, I just want to point out a few minor caveats.

Patching binaries may work out for the hardcore shoutcaster but for the majority of shoutcasters adding yet another layer of complexity to their experience will lead to an uphill struggle for them.

Then a seperate solution presents itself, distribution of pre-patched binary files.
We have now entered the magical world of warez and all its legal and logistical issues.
What reputable business owner (streamhost or broadcaster) is going supply a service based on patched binaries or warez ?.

IF microsoft buys nullsoft and its tech, It may just be absorbed into some
patent portfolio and never seen again.

Damb, I am neurotic.

[Jkey]

ffs. wrong forum.

Edit:-
Cheer up darren

[Jay]

No matter what happens with AOL there is plenty of support and interest to keep things going.

[Jkey]

I do hope you are correct Jay.

I am glad I stumbled across this news, I still have old sc2 source code on a
an unencrypted drive that was in a pile ready to be thrown out.
The reminder made me check the drives and make the discovery.

I could have ended up in legal trouble if that code had inadvertently landed in
the wrong hands. Lesson learned.

[bobjr94]

It looks like Microsoft may thinking of picking up winamp & shoutcast from AOL, probably to combat Itunes radio.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/sou...namp-from-aol/

[Kigen]

I'd cry if Microsoft acquired any of this. In some respects though I don't know what else can be done. A lot of talent left Nullsoft years ago. If that talent was still here then Nullsoft could have gone independent again.

I guess time will tell what happens with everything. But the death of Winamp feels like the death of Nullsoft as a whole.

[Pablo1889]

What a Black Week i have today(not to mention black friday who is happy day)

My next household neighbor died in unknown reasons

My favorite actor Paul Walker killed in car crash

And now my friend tell me my favorite media player Winamp gonna be closed with huge base internet radio,s Shoutcast.


Ive hope google keep run winamp and shoutcast

[Jay]

Since it is being listed as almost certain the demise of SHOUTcast is imminent I have started work on Steamcast again. You can get the latest at www.steamcast.com

[DrO]

points in that post are not correct... and the last i checked, i'm still working on YP / tool updates.

[Jay]

I really hope so DrO. Lots of people are concerned.

[Bryon Stout]

^ ----- Thats great to hear.

[Voltage Spike]

I am switching my station to Icecast2 while still keeping my shoutcast stream up as well. (And Public until the day Shoutcast Radio Directory dies). Meanwhile I have been running around like mad trying to sing up for free Radio Directories, trying to find something to take the place of Shoutcasts nice "Popup Flash Player" which I have embedded and used for my awesome (but usually lazy) Metal Headed Listeners almost exclusively since day 1.

You can find me in Irc (Freenode) in the Icecast Channel working on a plan "B" drinking beer. They have been very helpful thus far.

~Voltage (Mount Metal Radio)

[Pablo1889]

OK you can close winamp website
But did possible transfer shoutcast.com links into free server website before close shoutcast.com ?

[Tag]

DrO,

That's excellent news! Disaster averted for now? Good luck sir.

[milosz]

It does seem to me that the Shoutcast site has too much traffic just to be shut down, seems like SOMEONE would be interested to buy access to all those eyeballs, ears and clicks.

[MrSinatra]

to those worried about MS buying SC, I hear ya, but just think how awful it would be if the big apple did it! that would SUCK!

[milosz]

Apple likes to make things proprietary and likes to charge fees. I wouldn't like it if I had to pay a fee to be included in the Shoutcast directory.

[Sabine Klare]

@ MrSinatra, I agree with You. Being bought by Microsoft, Google or Mozilla would be much better than being bought by Apple.

Maybe some people would say now "Mac is much better than Windows." and they can use Mac, if they want to do that, but that does not stop me from my decision to continue using Windows.

For people with only less incomes it would be a nightmare, if Apple would buy SHOUTcast, and they have already iTunes. If they would be interested for SHOUTcast, why should they be interested also for Winamp?...

[Jkey]

SHOUTcast is already proprietary.

I have no time for Apple vs. * debates, they lead nowhere.

[Blastbot]

3 days out, and we still don't know the answer to the original question. Is the hatchet going to fall on Shoutcast.com on Friday, or isn't it? The people that work for AOL/Nullsoft/Shoutcast must know the answer, but they aren't talking.