Old 10th July 2002, 01:45   #1
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Fucking Faker Asylum Seekers

Don't call me a racist as a, im not and b, this comment is thrown around too much as of late!

I am sick to the back teeth to fucking asylum seekers who come to the UK when truely they have no need for asylum. They feel that they can have an eay life in the UK for nothing as the mug Tony Blair will pay for them (which he does).

Here in Plymouth not only are they given vouchers but they are given free houses, cars, clothes, you name it!!!

I am angry as too many people are using the term "racist" too often when it is so clear that people are refering to people who abuse the system and not people who are racists.

Its about fucking time that the English wake up and smell the bloody coffee and kick the leeching filth out! (i am NOT talking about people who genuinly do need asylum)

I feel that the asylum seekers should be shipped back as soon as the conflict has ended else not only will there end up being racial conflict but there will be hardship for all and less jobs.

Whats worse is the fact that these people use racism as their weapon and are more than happy to take people to court if they can get something from it!

I realise that it would take too much time to process each application form for aslyum but at the end of the day,

would they open us to seek asylum in their country

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would they give us free houses and the rest

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will these people ever fight for the UK or would some want to go fight a possible "holy war" that may / probably will flare up again within a few years.

Taxes rise and the working public pay for these leeches that have never done a hard days work in their lives! it must stop!
I fear for my safety when i go to certain places in my home city.

I am going to Greece this summer for 3 weeks so why should i constantly be looking behind my shoulder for the next Albanian to come and slash me with his knife??

This should not be a worry, We should all pull up our socks and face reality. The way we are going in the UK isnt sustainable so something must be done!!

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Free rides for unskilled immigrants; One of the many glaring faults of the socialist system
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Free rides for unskilled immigrants; One of the many glaring faults of the socialist system
We have that problem here in the US as well. And this one I will agree with you on Alex. It is a major problem. I know some Russian immigrants personally, who seemed to take pride in the fact they could get their schooling, housing, etc. paid for by Uncle Sam. It needs to stop.
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Fucking Faker Asylum Seekers

The world (at least the western world) should follow what Australia does: sling any asylum seeker (genuine or not) in detention centers until there papers are sorted out, and 1) if they are genuine asylum seekers, let them in, and 2) if not, deport them, quite simple.

And if, the asylum seekers decide to sow there lips together, trash the place in any shape or form, go on hunger strikes, etc, then deport them.

Quite a simple solouion.

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Or... we could just all look at what's causing the people to look for asylum here and deal with the cause, not the effect of the cause. I mean, if one country doesn't take in any asylum seekers, than they just move the problem to another country. It's the cause what should be dealt with!

But... no one will really really fix the cause, so... I guess... what they are proposing to do here (in The Netherlands) is that no one without papers can come to The Netherlands (asylum seekers, that is) and they will try to deport them back asap. We need an european rule though for this, not every country for itself.

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gee i wonder why the nation is in debt ..hmm...maybe because we are paying people from other countrys to come on over,join our schools,take our jobs,and while they are working their wives can collect thousands of dollars of welfare because she is a baby maker and 10 kids would be enough to supply them with state money to pay for their housing?? oh and not to mention we also give out gift certificates to them for a new fucking car...but hey,its "ok" they are poor immigrants that just want to start a new life.

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cmisker, goooood point, the cause is more evil than the effect
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Old 10th July 2002, 08:01   #8
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Australia has started taking a hard line on illegal immigrants, not assylum seekers that follow the proper process, but the people that try to jump the queue by traveling here by boat and wondering why they get turned arround or detained until they can be processed.

I dont see a problem with people seeking assylum if their country is at war or they are being persecuted, but the numbers are getting out of hand.
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Or... what would be the best solution for all this... if that freakin' Eve (Eva?) didn't eat the freakin' apple! If she hadn't, people would be good, all people would be good! So then, if everyone was good, they wouldn't ask Asylum here unless they really needed... I mean, remember people, don't put all the asylum seekers on one big pile... there really are a lot of people out there who really need asylum. And then there are a whole bunch of asylum seekers just going for the money. It's a matter of getting those out.

But... Honestly... You would appreciate it too if it was the other way around. I mean, if you could go to a western country if you lived in like.. Afghanistan or whatever and get a house and stuff if your house back home was just totally destroyed by the government.
But, don't reply to the above paragraph, because I know everyone will say things like: "No! I wouldn't do that!", but... you never know what you'd do if you were born somewhere else.

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The world (at least the western world) should follow what Australia does: sling any asylum seeker (genuine or not) in detention centers until there papers are sorted out, and 1) if they are genuine asylum seekers, let them in, and 2) if not, deport them, quite simple.
Good solution. Harsh yes, but it's the only way that society can will be able to cope in the long term.

Tony Blair should be removed as prime minister immediately. He has done more harm to this country than good and doesn't give a flying fuck about conflict / tax problems with the more illegal immigrants entering the country.

He gets enough money not to give a shit

We need to get Margaret Thatcher back in the UK again!
Now that was a good leader that wasn't afraid to voice her opinion!!
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I'm afraid that became outdated millions of poor, tired, huddled masses ago.
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Personally, I see this whole idea of "asylum" as bunk. Historically, wars did not displace people very far. If the civilian populace did in fact flee their homes, it was only temporarily to a neighbouring country. After the conflict was over, these commonfolk were all too eager to move back home. What we have today is a situation where any national upheavel at all is seen as just cause to jump ship, and settle permanently in a wealthier country halfway around the world. Yes, I can see some logic to sheltering specific groups of oppressed people such as Tibetan buddhists (the Dalai Lama being a perfect example), or intellectual communist defectors, but the intention has always been that such defectees return as soon as conditions back home warrant a safe passage back. I cannot possibly understand why a country such as America, Britain, or Germany should be expected to permenantly house refugees from a certain country, simply because they do not agree with their living conditions. Mind you, I am not against immigration; I myself am an immigrant. Immigration does work either for temporary refugees (Ethiopian famine refugees), or for skilled labor (Indian, Pakistani, American, and Korean engineers in Kuwait). North America has a shortage of doctors... rather then wait the 4-8 years it takes for a new batch of graduates to complete their studies, import some from abroad... that's the kind of immigration that works. Not the kind that promotes a free ticket to unearned wealth.

I also agree with the lottery system in place in the States... this fulfills the dream of "poor, tired, huddled masses" and allowing the downtrodden to ride up through the capitalist system, to realize the American dream. The lottery system ensure that the masses do not become a flood.
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I would just like to add to what RM has said with the fact that most people who travel to the UK as Asylum Seekers do so in the minority. Millions of refugees from the Middle East, mainly being Iraqi and Afghani refugees are in Pakistan. Most people from the Balkans simple moved around the different Balkan States.
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Personally, I see this whole idea of "asylum" as bunk. Historically, wars did not displace people very far. If the civilian populace did in fact flee their homes, it was only temporarily to a neighbouring country. After the conflict was over, these commonfolk were all too eager to move back home. What we have today is a situation where any national upheavel at all is seen as just cause to jump ship, and settle permanently in a wealthier country halfway around the world. Yes, I can see some logic to sheltering specific groups of oppressed people such as Tibetan buddhists (the Dalai Lama being a perfect example), or intellectual communist defectors, but the intention has always been that such defectees return as soon as conditions back home warrant a safe passage back. I cannot possibly understand why a country such as America, Britain, or Germany should be expected to permenantly house refugees from a certain country, simply because they do not agree with their living conditions. Mind you, I am not against immigration; I myself am an immigrant. Immigration does work either for temporary refugees (Ethiopian famine refugees), or for skilled labor (Indian, Pakistani, American, and Korean engineers in Kuwait). North America has a shortage of doctors... rather then wait the 4-8 years it takes for a new batch of graduates to complete their studies, import some from abroad... that's the kind of immigration that works. Not the kind that promotes a free ticket to unearned wealth.

I also agree with the lottery system in place in the States... this fulfills the dream of "poor, tired, huddled masses" and allowing the downtrodden to ride up through the capitalist system, to realize the American dream. The lottery system ensure that the masses do not become a flood.
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I would just like to add to what RM has said with the fact that most people who travel to the UK as Asylum Seekers do so in the minority.
Do you not feel that the increased asylum seekers entering countries will pose a problem after some years to come when tax rockets?
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Well, Well, Well... Illegal immigrants and fake asylum seekers forcing their way into the West, and in the process depriving their citizens of their daily bread, raising taxes and in general bringing doom and destruction eh? Hmmmmmm.... they should be thrown out cause they are not here legally eh?

Reminds me of similar happenings a long time ago. Heroic conquerers from Spain land uninvited in Latin America and conveniently wipe out a couple of civilations, and reward themselves for their bravery by carrying away all the gold that they can find. Oh no, they did not stop and check if their arrival was legal or illegal. By the way they came in boats too, and they were welcomed on the south american shores by the "uneducated natives" with open arms.

Then there were the European heroes i.e. the dutch, the spaniards, the french etc, all ably led by the British who descended on various parts of Asia and Africa, uninvited - no surprise there, and went about their business of plundering, raping, stealing and murdering. Mind you, all this was done on the premise that they were doing the natives a favor by introducing them to "civilization". A civilization which was fed with the riches that they managed to take away from other more peaceful and cultured societies.

Our "glorious heroes" decided that they would not think of the fate of the economies of the "barbaric societies" that they had taken over with "divine authority". Neither did they think of the effect on the taxes. After all how could their actions bring about any harm? Only the following : civil war, societies destroyed beyond any hope of repair, countries torn apart by sectarian feelings, most of Africa steeped in poverty and war. These are the glorious consequences of the "civilization" that the West introduced into perfectly prosperous societies.

But of course, as most of you shall say, all this happened a long time back and there's no need to discuss the past. After all its the present we live in and we should think of that, and also of the future. Hmmmmm.. if you think that way, you are all deluded. The balance was upset some time back ,yes, and now its time for the disturbed side to attempt to right itself. As you sow, so shall you reap.

There is no shortage of bigots, fools and morons who think they have the solutions for all problems. But there certainly is a shortage of sane, level - headed and able people who are able to see where the problem lies. Its time the West started cleaning up the messes they made in the past. Look at the sources of all these problems and its there that the solution lies. Accept responsibility.

One last comment : Are all those "proud citizens" against immigration really proud of being the inheritors of such "glorious civilizations"?
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Only the following : civil war, societies destroyed beyond any hope of repair, countries torn apart by sectarian feelings, most of Africa steeped in poverty and war
And this happened when the imperialists left. It was these countries own fault that they descended into factional violence. in fact, a lot of it is tribal, which is what was happeneing before anyway.
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in fact, a lot of it is tribal, which is what was happeneing before anyway.
That's a good point - take the Aztec civilization, with Mexico City at it's center - they had an enormous empire that based on war, tribute and ritual sacrifice. When the Spanish invaded they did so on the premise that whatever they did, the natives would be no worse off than under the Aztecs... which was basically what happened.

The rich Aztec upper classes were still rich upper classes, and the slave labor were still slaves.

Besides, what happened in the 1500s is completely different to what is happening in the world today.
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a little bit of compassion might be in order

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...s19jul19.story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1720766.stm

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/

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You give people warmth and shelter, a far better standard of life than they are used to, and what do they do? Shit on you.
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I think we need to take an old solution and mix it with a much newer one. We use the Australia's tactic of locking up the illegal immegrants in the middle of the desert, and then we use the old idea of taking all the un-wanted people in our society and shipping them to Australia. Therefore, we ship (use one of the prison barges or a small cargo ship) all of the illegal immigrants to Australia to be locked up in the desert for a few months before being shipped back to their own country.
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I think we need to take an old solution and mix it with a much newer one. We use the Australia's tactic of locking up the illegal immegrants in the middle of the desert, and then we use the old idea of taking all the un-wanted people in our society and shipping them to Australia. Therefore, we ship (use one of the prison barges or a small cargo ship) all of the illegal immigrants to Australia to be locked up in the desert for a few months before being shipped back to their own country.
I agree! harsh yes, necessery for society to cope in years to come, yes!!

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Its time the West started cleaning up the messes they made in the past. Look at the sources of all these problems and its there that the solution lies. Accept responsibility.
It's time for the third world to accept their own responsibility; economic disarray is caused by the dictators of today, not the transgressions of the past.

Besides, you argument doesn't make much sense. You are essentially arguing "because Europeans raped, plundered, and pillaged the world for a couple centuries, it is now all right for exColonies to "invade" and strip the resources away from European countries today". Well, Japan, for the longest time, was the most isolationist country in the world. Even though they had untold wealth, culturally and materially, they would not share it with the world. To the West, Japan was simply verboten. Isn't it time for the "balance" to change? Isn't it time that the West excludes Japan from our economy?

For several generations, slavery was a well-established, entrenched tradition in the New World. People were shipped from Africa, stripped of their humanity and dignity, and forced to give up their freedom in order to fulfill someone else's desires. Isn't it time for the "balance" to change? Shouldn't citizens of African countries steal Americans from their homes, and force them to work on tilling their farms, constructing their buildings, and sweeping their homes?
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I'm an Australian and I am proud of how my government is handling our illegal immigrants. I don't use the term "asylum seekers" because they aren't looking for refuge ; they're coming here to bludge off the people that live here. Do I go over to fucking Flublakistan or wherever they come from and make demands on their government to give me a gazzilion rupees or whatever because someone threw a rock at me in Australia? No, they'd probably put me in a dark room for weeks and hold me for ransom from my government.

Why don't they just go to a neighbouring country or something? The Iraqis can just bugger off to Iran, and the Afghanis to Pakistan or, also Iran (I had to look at an atlas for that one). Why bother coming all the way over an OCEAN to go to Australia, of all places. Surely the government in their country has told them that Australia will put you in a camp ("Detention Centre," to be politically correct), just to stop them running away.

A few weeks ago there was this big news story here about these two kids who escaped from the Woomera Detention Centre, in South Australia, and trekked so-many-thousand kms to get to the British Consulate in Melboure (in Victoria, in the southeast, for all you naive Americans. Sorry...but I have my prejudices...) and demanded asylum there for them and their mother and sister, still at Woomera. They were turned down. Then they were taken back to Woomera. Their dad, who is here on a temp refugee visa (he came before) didn't get to the consulate in time to see his boys. Now the Aussie government is questioning whether they are really Afghanis, as they say, or are really from Pakistan. Real refugees should be more patient and be grateful that they are here still. So the boys screwed up more than they did any good.

Here's what I reckon the government should do: The al-quaeda and taliban's pretty well finished in Afghanistan now isn't it? And the new government's in. So, we should ship them off to Afghanistan, back to the town they say they came from, or near enough if is been blown up, and let them live there. If they say they'll be persecuted there still, put them under close guard for x number of years, say 5, in this place where they probably haven't liveed before, and let them face their own mistake. If they crack and say they really come from Pakistan, have them arrested for illegal immigration and sent back to an Aussie prison, or not beleive them and make them stay in Afghanistan, with guard for another 5 years. They won't be going anywhere.

A guy I know fought over in Vietnam. He said to me once that the poor people couldn't afford to save themselves, and could really only get to neighbouring Cambodia to seek refuge. See, they're the real asylum seekers; not rich cunts who can afford to get a fucking cruise ship over to another continent, and then make demands on the Western governments. As to coming to Australia, they obviously know what's coming if they come here, so why complain? It's time for them to accept responsibility for their actions. Personally, I'd rather live with the ability to move about in the middle of my homeland desert than to be locked behind barbed wire in the middle of a foreign desert.

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Pardon me, but this idea is bullshit. Australia doesn't have the money or resources to deal with an influx of even one million people (send them to New Zealand!! sorry; local joke). But seriously, adding even that one million would be adding one nineteenth of our population into our country. That may seem like a small fraction, but when compared to the USA, one mil is only less the one two hundredth. This is more than ten times that. Why not chuck them onto the middle of New Mexico or Nevada? I think the dykes ... err ... Dutch have the right idea about not allowing refos in.

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Its time the West started cleaning up the messes they made in the past. Look at the sources of all these problems and its there that the solution lies. Accept responsibility.
Cthulhu666, answer me this: Mexico, is that a colony or an independant republic? Independant! The Spanish gave the Mexicans their independance! And money. But what happened? Nothing. The majoriy of Mexicans still live in poverty. This is because the govenrnments (the new Mexican governments) didn't put money into anything except their bank accounts. Europe has cleaned up it's past mistakes! The Aboriginals in Australia are getting rich off of sitting on their arses drinking Victoria Bitter all day! Thanks to government payouts. And they complain that they can't get a job because they are black. No, it's because they usually turn up to a job interveiw drunk.

Back to the topic. The reasons that the Europeans exploited the natives of any land they settled was bacause they could. They were technologically advanced. I'm not saying that a civilization should be obliterated just because they use spears instead of guns and don't have the wheel, but they did not want to accept the fact the other people could be better than them. The Japanese actually did accept, eventually, rm, and took guns off the Portugeuse when they were allowed on the island in the 1500's. They screwed up. The Japanese screwed up. By 20 years there were more guns in Japan then there were in Europe. All these cultures were anable to advance as Europe had because of religion. This played too a major role in their lives, dictating ettiquette, science, etcetera and didn't allow for the fact that Tectualaxaheptot or whatever might be wrong, and the stars aren't dead people. Europe went through the Rennaisance and people started to ignore the Church, though not completely, they started. They didn't advance during the Middle Ages partly because the Church had too great a grip on the peoples' lives to allow for independant thought. The Aztecs and Japanese and Muslims and Chinese were still in that pious stage by the time the Europeans came around with their guns and started settling.

In ancient times, the Romans and Greeks were able to advance because they didn't take their gods too seriously. They gave them human attributes, and while in literture they may have been just a bit pious, in reality, they weren't. The Romans even worshipped other peoples' gods. When the conquered other, more primitive peoples, they first took at look at their gods. If they found a god similar to one of the Romans, they would say, for example, in the case of the Britons, "that Sul, goddess of wisdom, is like our Minerva. Let's combine them, and build a temple to Minerva-Sul." So they didn't take religion seriously, and thus advanced. Just an example.

So I'll finish by saying, If you're going to illegally emmigrate somewhere, ask to questions:

1)Have they invented the barbed wire fence?
2)Do they speak Arabic there as their official language?

I fucking hate immigrants, legal or otherwise, who can't speak English! They shouldn't be here! Shit that was long.
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Wpuld you like to expand a bit on that Atmo? I write a twelve hundred word reply, and it's a bit to figure out what part of it you think is narrow-minded. Is it

1) I'm criticising them for not expecting money for crossing an ocean in a pile of rusty metal;

2) I think now that the people that were persecuting the Afghanis that are here are all dead or in Cuba, they should go back to Afghanistan, because it's safe;

3)I have sympathy for poverty-stricken refugees fleeing to bordering countries and none for rich people who get to choose where they seek refuge;

4)Want to prevent possibly violent riots because of freedom activists trying to get millions of detainees out of Luxembourg-sized detention facilities when everyone sends all their refugees here;

5) I'd rather have refugees put in the middle of the desert in a country that can afford to have them there (ie. america), as opposed to one that can't;

6)My impression of indigenous peoples was created by the australian indigenous people of my hometown in the middle of the counrty;

7)My reasons for beleiving that the Western culture was the predominant society from 1500 - 1850 because they woke up to the fact that religious dogma did not advance society (and technology did), before other cultures;

8)I use examples to prove my point, and explain my arguement, rather than just saying that someone else is narrow-minded.

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Old 27th July 2002, 18:26   #30
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I dont know why i should bother explaining it, but i will...

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I don't use the term "asylum seekers" because they aren't looking for refuge ; they're coming here to bludge off the people that live here.
Thats total bullshit, go live over there for a while and see what its like.

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Do I go over to fucking Flublakistan or wherever they come from and make demands on their government to give me a gazzilion rupees or whatever because someone threw a rock at me in Australia? No, they'd probably put me in a dark room for weeks and hold me for ransom from my government.
You just contradicted yourself, you just said that its not bad over there, then stated that...

If afghanistan is so safe, why dont you switch places with someone over there??

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Why bother coming all the way over an OCEAN to go to Australia, of all places. Surely the government in their country has told them that Australia will put you in a camp ("Detention Centre," to be politically correct), just to stop them running away.
Because they know that theyre free from persecution here.

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If they say they'll be persecuted there still, put them under close guard for x number of years, say 5, in this place where they probably haven't liveed before, and let them face their own mistake.
What mistake have they made?? Other than being born in that country...Did they choose to be born into a life of conflict?? No, but you seem to be intent on punishing them just because they arent as fortunate as we are.

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The Aboriginals in Australia are getting rich off of sitting on their arses drinking Victoria Bitter all day! Thanks to government payouts. And they complain that they can't get a job because they are black. No, it's because they usually turn up to a job interveiw drunk.
That is a completely racist stereotype. And totally untrue.

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I fucking hate immigrants, legal or otherwise, who can't speak English! They shouldn't be here!
Hang on a sec, do you speak aboriginal?? Using that line of thinking means every australian that doesnt shouldnt be here either..


In short i think your entire post was narrow minded.
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Old 28th July 2002, 01:44   #31
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Aside from being a fucktard rascist, you are essentially wrong Daniel in that most refugess do go to the nearest country. Most Afghanis for instance moved to Pakistand. Most Kosovans moved to neighbouring Baltic states that were vaguely friendly towards them.

Only a handful of people try the risky and tumultulous journey across the EU or to Australia or even the USA.
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Old 28th July 2002, 02:39   #32
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Most Kosovans moved to neighbouring Baltic states that were vaguely friendly towards them.

Only a handful of people try the risky and tumultulous journey across the EU or to Australia or even the USA.
I don't believe that. Canada accepts 250 000 refugees yearly. That is nearly 1/10 of out population. There are several times more that number on the waiting list. The US has an even larger waiting list. While real refugees may temporarily move to a neighbouring country, the majority get on board a cargo ship as soon as possible and land on Western shores.
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Old 28th July 2002, 06:01   #33
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Most Kosovans moved to neighbouring Baltic states that were vaguely friendly towards them.

Only a handful of people try the risky and tumultulous journey across the EU or to Australia or even the USA.
Bilbo, you hit the nail on the head there. I am a racist, and I do believe that refugees do go to neighbouring countries.

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the poor people couldn't afford to save themselves, and could really only get to neighbouring Cambodia to seek refuge. See, they're the real asylum seekers; not rich cunts who can afford to get a fucking cruise ship over to another continent, and then make demands on the Western governments.
See Bilbo, I agree with you. And I feel sympathy for those people that flee to neighbouring countries. Personally, I'd rather just go to another poor country where I'm not persecuted to seek asylum rather then embark on a risky journey to a rich one where I'm going to be chucked into a detention centre. But the fact is, it costs some much for boat people to take that journey, that only the well-off can afford it. They're just using persecution as an excuse to go to a better place and just leave their countrymen to fend for themselves.

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Thats total bullshit, go live over there for a while and see what its like.
'Fraid I can't do that, Atmo: I can't afford it. I could only really afford to get to Papua New Guineato be a refugee. Also, there's nothing persecuting them in Iran or Uzbekistan, so why don't they go there if they don't want to go to Pakistan? Anyway, Afghanistan is land-locked, so they'd have to go through another country to get to the boats....]

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You just contradicted yourself, you just said that its not bad over there, then stated that...
When did I say that the situation in Afghanistan is good? Sure, it's getting better, so why not send some of the Afghani refugees back if they'll be safe?

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What mistake have they made??
THEY ENTERED ANOTHER COUNTRY ILLEGALLY FULLY KNOWING THE CONSEQUENCES OF ENTERING THAT PARTICULAR COUNTRY, AND STILL THEY COMPLAIN THAT THEY ARE BEING MISTREATED! BE HAPPY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE!

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They know that theyre free from persecution here.
Do you mean in Australia? Because more than half the population (legal population) do not want Australia to accept refugees. Seriously, they fight the guards, go on hunger strikes, NOBODY'S LISTENING!

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do you speak aboriginal?? Using that line of thinking means every australian that doesnt shouldnt be here either
The people in Anatolia (most of Turkey) used to be Romans. They spoke Latin. Now, the people in Anatolia are called Turks. They speak Turkish as the official language. This is because at some time in history,, the Turks conquered the Romans there and set up their own country. 500 years ago, the languages of Australia were the various Aboriginal dialects. Now, English is the official language. This is also because the English conquered the Aboriginals. I knwo not in the big batlle sense of the word, but Europeans came out the victor didn't they? If I shouldn't be in Australia, then the Turks shouldn't be in Turkey, the English shouldn't be in England, the Arabs in North Africa, et cetera. It's called forward movement. Stop living in the past. The Romans, Britons and whoever else got over the fact that they'd had their day.
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Old 29th July 2002, 23:50   #34
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i am afraid i have to sue you for malpractice


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Fucking Faker Asylum Seekers

As much as I agree with Dr Daniel's post, here is what i think the Australian Government should do:

1) Continue to put anyone who comes to Australia illegally into a detention center.

2) Make the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers (whatever you want to call them) learn english. If they refuse, then deport them - whats the point of going to a country where they don't speak the primary language.

3) If they decide to sow up there lips, try to escape, try to wreck the detention center, or something which involves destorying property or strikes, then they should be deported - what right does anyone have to destroy property? NONE

4) If they are genuine asylum seekers, then they should be put on a temporary protection visa, until the country of there origin is deemed safe, and then the asylum seeker and/or family, are to go back, no if's or buts about it.

This is all the points i can think of at the moment. Feel free to argue the toss,

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