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Old 26th October 2003, 11:52   #1
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so, is it gonna actually be called winamp "5"

With all the beta hype and stuff people seem to have taken for granted that the new winamp is gonna be called winamp 5. They always said before that this was a "work in progress" name and wasn't final. Have nullsoft finally decided to stick with the "5" tag? It seems so on their beta. I was just wonderin, thats all.

Great work nullsoft....excellent product.(all it needs is the enqueue/dequeue and it'll be perfect!!)

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Old 26th October 2003, 14:55   #2
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Yea, i think they'll stick with it, and thats just fine by me

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Old 26th October 2003, 15:39   #3
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Yes, because it is still Winamp.
ie. it's an upgrade/update to Winamp 2.9x, built on the same core
(unlike Winamp3 which was a new product built from scratch on wasabi)

There will be a Winamp 5.0 Pro, and a Winamp 5.0 Free (or standard/lite)
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Old 28th October 2003, 08:43   #4
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i thought of something the other day... everyone always complains "what happened to 4?" but i've never seen anyone complain that they skipped 3.0 as well, since, technically, they did, Winamp3 being a separate product and all.

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Old 28th October 2003, 13:19   #5
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well, basicly it would be more confusing and missleading (hard to believe i know )if it was called winamp 4.0, or heh even worse 3.0

The "skip" to 5.0 makes people either, think more about it, or ask and get an answer, quite smart imo.

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Old 28th October 2003, 17:14   #6
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hmm, that's true. it does make ppl think, or ask. never thought of that.
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Old 29th October 2003, 14:32   #7
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Old 29th October 2003, 15:46   #8
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winamp 2 + winamp3 = winamp 5
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Old 29th October 2003, 15:51   #9
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how about just a damn good player

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Old 29th October 2003, 18:12   #10
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Old 29th October 2003, 19:19   #11
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Old 29th October 2003, 19:41   #12
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same here, hence my post

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Old 30th October 2003, 00:06   #13
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Winamp3 Winamp 3 Winamp 3.0....

What kind of bothers me is that Nullsoft insists that Winamp3 is not, and never was, Winamp 3.0. This may be the case NOW, but it's ridiculously obvious that the original intent was to replace Winamp 2.x with Winamp3/Winamp 3/Winamp 3.0

After the largely dissapointing release (because of being rushed and not being allowed to continue to develop it regularly) it was decided to backtrack and say "well, ok, this is a seperate product, it was not and never will be Winamp 3.0". But be honest, are you telling me it was just a coincedence that you decided to name it Winamp3? You had NO intention of making it the 3.0 version of Winamp? Uh huh.

Now I feel bad, because as a programmer I must admit Winamp3 is an impressive piece of technology. It just needs a lot more TLC which it will now never receive because of Winamp5. Then again maybe the code is a sloppy mess and is too difficult to work with, I don't know.

Anyway, if you want proof that Winamp3 was to be Winamp 3.0, just look at the statement Nullsoft has regarding Winamp for Macintosh, when asked if Winamp for Mac would be Macamp.

They currently say that Winamp is Winamp regardless of the operating system. But look at the About Window for version 1.60, you will see that they were working on "Macamp (the Macintosh version of Winamp)"
(See the attached picture for proof)

So why doesn't Nullsoft just own up to the fact that Winamp3 was ORIGINALLY going to be Winamp 3.0 and replace the 2.9x series?
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Old 30th October 2003, 00:20   #14
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Winamp3 never was a replacement for 2.X. Maybe one day 2.X was going to be retired, but fundamentally they were totally separate products. In fact, it was originally supposed to be radically different from Winamp 2.X in look too (something like this. It was originally going to be Winamp Studio, hence studio.exe. They were pressured into making it try to be like Winamp 2.X instead of it's own product. Officially named the product name for the public release of Winamp3 is Winamp 3 1.0.0.488. Winamp3 is NOT an upgrade to Winamp 2.X, it is a separate product, if you like it or not.

Also, when Winamp was ported to Mac it was Winamp for Mac (o.71 is still out there somewhere, but it's hard to find).

But a brief history lesson. Dmitry Boldyrev coded a Macintosh MP3 decoder using the AMP engine. Justin Frankel ported it to Windows and called it Winamp. Since then AMP is no longer part of Winamp and there has been Alpha versions for Winamp for Mac (0.71, based off of 2.something) and Winamp3 for Linux. Regardless of the history the product name is Winamp, no matter what OS it gets ported to, the name is Winamp.

I don't see why you are so bothered by it.

Winamp3 is dead; any further development will be in the background and under the name Wasabi Player.
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Old 30th October 2003, 00:21   #15
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Yeah i'm fine with the whole 5 thing
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Old 30th October 2003, 01:01   #16
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I apologize

Wow,

That was really interesting. I apologize for making assumptions, I was wrong. Thanks a lot for giving such a quick and informative reply, it's really great you guys are so active in the forums, I appreciate that.

Was AOL responsible for the pressure to make it look like Winamp, or was that more from the fans? Also, is there any chance of releasing that alpha of "Winamp Studio" shown in that screenshot? That'd be cool!

Lastly, if you want to continue development on it and need a programmer let me know, that'd be fun! I developed my own mp3 player which does a lot of what Winamp3 can do, though this was just working in my spare time between school and work, so it doesn't do everything Winamp3 does, but it's comparable. I'd love to carry on the Winamp3 legacy! =]
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Old 30th October 2003, 01:19   #17
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just start developing, the SDK is there to download and there are alot of Winamp3/Wasabi Player included in it (almost everything actually).
So if there's anything you think should be added to it, just do it..

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Old 30th October 2003, 01:20   #18
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The screen shot is actually from a skin based on the screen shots from a pre-alpha back from around 2000. this thread. There is an attachment at the bottom, it won't work.

Not sure where the pressure to change it came from. Either AOL or within Nullsoft. Don't remember

(None of the Mods here work for them, so we really don't know).
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Old 30th October 2003, 02:11   #19
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Cool info, thanks to both of you.

Hey I have a question about Winamp5 actually..Do you know if the scrollbars in the playlist are going to eventually be skinned? I know they are bitmapped right now, but they're not the correct scrollbars that you see if you load the skin in Winamp3. (MMD3 is a good example of this).

Also, are the skinned shortcut menus history?
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Old 30th October 2003, 02:23   #20
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where can i get this wasabi player?
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Old 30th October 2003, 02:25   #21
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Old 30th October 2003, 02:56   #22
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sure you can..
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=154449

It's in the first post..

btw: JHawkZZ, I tested your little media player, quite impressive actually..
We could use someone like you working with Wasabi stuffz..

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Old 30th October 2003, 03:03   #23
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Oops! Sorry I thought he was referring to the pre-alpha release that Sawg pointed me to above.

Thanks for the comments on Mercury! I'm glad you like it! I really did write it out of my enthusiasm toward Winamp. Winamp just didn't have some features I wanted, and rather than do a plug-in I thought wouldn't it be fun to do an entire player :P

If I get some free time maybe I'll look into doing somethin for Wasabi or Winamp5 or whatever, we'll see what happens. Maybe some of Mercury's things can be added over to Winamp5 or Wasabi Player..
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Old 31st October 2003, 00:08   #24
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why

I can't stand all the times I've seen whiners freaking out .. "What happened to Winamp 4??" ... I try to explain and tell them to read the forums here ..I'll jus have to let them all wallow in their own ignorance ..

I try to explain all this so it doesn't add to the large amount of confusion that's already floating around out there..the more people understand the less aggravation I have to go through hehe

<edit>looks like this post doesn't have much to do with the thread. . sorry..jus needed to rant a lil</edit>
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Old 31st October 2003, 19:52   #25
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Sawg: I really wish you'd quit saying winamp3 is dead. at least say it has a reincarnation in Wasabi Player or something. but it's not dead!! and the fact that you keep saying that it is rather bothers me. it gives a false impression, and draws people away from a superior product (just under-developed). I still believe in my winamp3 revolt. Use winamp3 if you like it's features! and if speed is your concern, use winamp 5, but keep in mind it will get slower as they add features, especially those from wa3.

Winamp3 is NOT dead. Please note the dev release of #499c. there IS ongoing work on it.

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Apparently, that attachment is a jpeg with the wrong extension. Good image viewers read the header to determine filetype, not the extension.

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Old 31st October 2003, 21:00   #27
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Winamp3 is dead. It will no longer be supported on the forums or by Nullsoft as of release of Winamp 5.0. Brennan will still work on Wasabi Player (not Winamp3) in the background. Wasabi Player is considered developmental and also not supported. For the end user Winamp3 is as good as dead. And that is directly from the developers.
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just 'cuz they changed the name doesn't make it dead. i know all about #499c having the name changed to Wasabi Player, but that doesn't mean wa3 is dead. it just gives the wrong impression that wa3 will no longer exist in any form. I guess i'm suggesting that you rephrase "WA3 is dead" as "wa3 is now Wasabi Player, and is no longer the headline product of Nullsoft"
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WHEREamI you really need to let this go my friend. Wasabi was not the blazing success it was meant to be, and so other than work by Brennan it's not going to be continued.

Dry your tears by making a Winamp5 skin and be done with it.
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dude, whatever. i'm not losing any sleep over it. I just object to saying it's dead, when it's clearly not. #499c was released only a week ago. There may be only one guy working on it now, but once the wa5 bs is out of the way, maybe they can get two devs on it, or more.

btw, i'm not a skinner, never have been, never will be (not artistic enough). I have started programming in Wasabi though, and chose it over wa2 because it is far more powerful and flexible than the giant hack called the WA2 plugin API.

I will not "let it go." i will spread the word, make people question why they use wa5 over wasabi, especially when they have a blazing fast computer that won't notice the extra cpu time or mem usage that really isn't that much more than wa5.

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WHEREamI you really need to let this go my friend. Wasabi was not the blazing success it was meant to be, and so other than work by Brennan it's not going to be continued.

Dry your tears by making a Winamp5 skin and be done with it.
umm, if you didn't know, Wasabi is in Winamp 5 too.
It's what makes Winamp 5 have freeform skins.
Without Wasabi, Winamp 5 wouldn't exist..

Winamp3 however, was not the success it was meant to be, simply because of AOL's very bad decisions.
Wasabi wasn't ready for the public when AOL forced a Winamp3 release, so ofcourse some people who didn't have all the facts hated it and thought it was a slow and buggy piece of crap player.
Now when Wasabi IS ready for the public and is beeing used in Winamp 5, everyone loves it. Go figure..
If AOL had let Winamp3 (and Wasabi) take the time it needed to be ready for the public, people would have loved it aswell.

Wasabi Player is a new start (with 499c beeing a very very very early preview of what to come) and if AOL let's Brennan continue developing it, I'm pretty sure it will someday be a huge success.

Winamp3, as we know it, is dead.

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Old 2nd November 2003, 02:30   #32
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Plague,

Some people here need to get their facts straight... WASABI is NOT Winamp3, and Winamp3 is not Winamp 2.x / 5.x, it's that simple.

If you just take a few minutes to figure out WHAT each of these mean, any discussion thereafter will be a lot more fruitful for all of us.

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I realize that Wasabi is in Winamp5, but what I'm saying is that the Wasabi coding platform wasn't the success it was supposed to be, where developers would be writing Wasabi applications left and right. That's all..

You're right though, a lot of it is AOL's fault for rushing things.
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But you're still wrong when saying that Wasabi isn't going to be continued other than by Brennan.

Several people are currently developing for Wasabi and will continue doing so.

And with Wasabi Player, the interest for both it and Wasabi itself will most likely increase alot, IF AOL doesn't shut it down (we'll just have to wait and see if they really are evil bastards that would do such a thing).

And no, "alot of it" is not enough, it's ENTIRELY AOL's fault. If development would have been allowed to take the time it needed, Winamp3 would be a huge success, guarantied.
Also, it was AOL's fault Winamp3's plug was pulled aswell.
So they first made a huge mistake to force a very early (WAY too early) release and then they made an even BIGGER mistake to pull the plug without even giving it a chance.
Personally, I don't think too highly about them because of this..

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I don't think to highly of them in the first place, but especially b/c of this.

It just hits me... right... here :: points to heart ::


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AOL sucks regaurdless, but that made it suck SO much more.

I hope Wasabi Player keeps on going. For now I will stick with WA5, but I will keep an eye on Wasabi Player and I might switch sometime soon.
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using wasabi player right now is masochism, but i still hope teh project continues
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By more than just Brennan working on Wasabi do you mean the actual Wasabi code? Or are you referring to other people creating programs based on Wasabi. I meant I thought only Brennan would be developing the actual Wasabi code more.

Also it was AOLs fault for releasing it early, but they WERE working on it for three years..I mean you'd think after three years it'd be a little more complete. But then you could argue AOL should have had more people working on it..I guess it really doesn't matter at this point.
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well, three years for BOTH Wasabi AND Winamp3 is a very short amount of time and remember, people dissed Winamp3 mostly because it didn't have EVERYTHING Winamp2 has, which is an impossibility with only three years of development since Winamp2 has been in development for what, seven+ years now?

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