Gun registration=Nazi concentration camps.

[thinktink]

Transcribed teaser audio excerpt from the video below (approx. time span 12:26-16:08):

January, 1933

Hitler is elected to power in Germany. Because of a gun registration law passed just five years earlier he already knows which Germans own firearms.

Nazi government agents combine primitive brutality with modern record keeping to conduct mass seizures of weapons from political opponents. Violent raids and obedient gun turn-ins also reduce ordinary Germans to helplessness. Within months the Nazis have firmly consolidated their power.

But this is not enough.

In 1938 they create their own gun control law: "A license shall not be granted if the applicant... is a Jew."

November 1938.

Kristallnacht - The Night of Broken Glass. Incited by propaganda minister Goebbels, and led by Nazi government agents, Germans commit a nation wide attack against the Jews. Shattering storefronts, looting property, burning synagogs, committing murder. The day after Kristallnacht, the Nazis forbid Jews to possess any firearm, club, or sharp edged weapon. Violators face five years in a concentration camp. Jews turn in their weapons to the police, or the Nazis storm in after them. Stripped of their power to resist, Germany's Jews await slaughter.

Technology helps the Nazis make savagery efficient. Census data and national ID cards tell them exactly who is a Jew. In a few days of terror, between 30,000 and 90,000 Jewish men, mostly community leaders, are arrested and sent to concentration camps. It is the beginning of the "Final Solution".

The so-called Jewish problem now being solved, Hitler can focus on preparing for world war. All over Europe men and women resist the Nazis, but not in Germany where Hitler is able to find and seize their weapons.

Three million (3,000,000) German political opponents are imprisoned in concentration camps between 1933 and 1945. More than five million (5,000,000) Jews slaughtered. One million (1,000,000) children. Gypsies, Slavs, pacifists, critics, the disabled, more than eleven million (11,000,000) total die in concentration camps.

Nearly twenty-one million civilians throughout Europe perish at Hitler's hands.

Just some history for all you anti-gun nutters.

[QOAL]

Snooze...

Americans that haven't lived in a country with more restrictive gun laws will not be able to see the positive affects of having them.
You're all used to having guns everywhere, it's part of the normality of the country.
And of course no matter what restrictions are brought in it'll take decades, for those weapons with extra controls applied to them, to filter out of ownership.

But being able to go out and know that nobody, not even the police, are armed with a gun is a wonderful thing. (Yes, there is still a chance of a very slim minority having a weapon, and we do have armed police, but the chance of either crossing path with your life is slim.)

The amount of lives that can be saved every day, by bringing in restrictive gun laws, and eroding a tiny piece of the oh so precious freedoms that have been reinforced since your birth, is staggering.

[thinktink]

Originally Posted by QOAL

Snooze...

Americans that haven't lived in a country with more restrictive gun laws will not be able to see the positive affects of having them.
...

Very nice straw-man red herring argument QOAL.


The video isn't about whether or not people are "safer" from gun violence in normal everyday situations. It's about whether or not the people can defend themselves from a tyrannical (usually socialist but not always of course) government full of leaders hell-bent on creating that ever mystical (and equally ever unattainable) utopian society.

Did you even watch the video or did you just go TLDR on it like (it seems) most people do?

[rockouthippie]

positive affects of having them

Likewise you don't see the benefit of having guns. You're 4X more likely to have a home invasion or to get mugged.

What has our Congress been doing (on both sides) in these months? Whacking off! Getting paid to whack off. Pulling the pud. Shining the helmet. All to impress us that they are doing something about a Kindergarten class that got shot up.

But the new law, even if it passes, will not stop Adam Lanza's, white bread, Kindergarten teacher mom from buying an assault rifle and teaching her demented son to shoot it.

Months of government effort and they come up with something (if it flies) that mostly emulates the wimpiest state laws. Let's pretend to do something with yet another "groundbreaking" bunch of bullshit from the Democrats.

I'm sure it will be historic. It always is.

[ravermeister]

totally agree with QOAL,
I think the best Solution are Restrictive Gun Laws, because it is as simple as
QOAL says, if the lesser weapons around, the lesser chance you have, to get shot by them.
I just can't believe how a person can get the mind that a Gun that is developed to taka a life,
will do the opposite, means protect a life....
And if the Governmet really turns into tyrannism, in the end there are normal people working
in the Gun Factories, so I think even then it would be possible to change the weapon situation for the population

[Warrior of the Light]

Most guns that were used to bring harm were initially bought to bring protection.
so.. Less guns = less problems.

[thinktink]

Originally Posted by ravermeister

...
And if the Governmet really turns into tyrannism, in the end there are normal people working
in the Gun Factories, so I think even then it would be possible to change the weapon situation for the population

There are a couple of problems with your proposed solution.

1. It assumes people who have been disarmed for so long know how to effectively use the weapon systems required to resist/repel government tyrants.
2. It assumes that the government hasn't already taken over "the means of production" and isn't guarding/watching/"control"ling the weapons factory and it's employees.

[ravermeister]

Gun registration=Nazi concentration camps.
...just read that topic again...
are you sure you know what you're talking about?


hmm. First I think people know how to defend thmeself based on their natural instinct
to survive... furthermore I think total control is an Ilusion like safety. also a Government is just a small "Group" of people who stands against the Population who are the power and the executive of this Goverment. And even if the Government would Destroy the whole
unarmed population with their Guns, who do they want to control then?

[rockouthippie]

The Nazi's were a pretty small percentage of Germans. Politburo members in cold war communist countries were also a minority. What did they need to kill a couple hundred million people? Citizens that couldn't resist.

Leonid Brezinski said we live in a world where it is easier to kill a million people than control a million people. I sleep better knowing 40% of my neighbors are armed.

[ravermeister]

I sleep better knowing 40% of my neighbors are armed.

are you serious? ...you sleep better?
I wouldn't sleep better cause I would think that 40% of my neighbours just need to
pull the trigger to take my lífe... oh damn I forgot to bring the Garbage can out,
the dement neighbour with the shotgun don't like that....

yeaah really good feeling...
or was it meant Ironically because of the phrase above cause they're in conflict...

sorry but a society where you get a gun for free when you open a new
Bank account, and get the bullets when you cut your hair, is in my opinion sick...

Citizens that couldn't resist.

thats not true, there has been many couraged people who fought against the Nazis.
e.g the project "Weiße Rose" or these people here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenre...zelne_Personen

And I think you just can't compare the endless brutal inhuman crime of the NAZIS
with some people Confiscating machines build to take lifes....
it's a really weird comparison!!!

[rockouthippie]

are you serious? ...you sleep better?

It is legal in Oregon (at least so far) to kill home invaders. That gives the criminals pause. Which house is gonna have the homeowner with a shotgun? You have 60% odds of picking correctly. Every once in a while some asshole chooses unwisely. Bummer.

One thing it does. It's really unlikely you will have a home invasion in the US while you are home. They will want to make sure you are gone. They don't want to get shot. It is an added measure of safety which is demonstrated in the obnoxious UK crime statistics.

It's pretty safe around here. We might have a murder or two a year. Firearm violence isn't an issue. I don't need a liberal to save me from nothing.

Every once in a while, somebody's cheese slips off their cracker and something spectacular happens. That mall that got shot up was about 20 miles from here. But it's not anything you could do anything about. If idiots that would do something like that were common, we'd be done.

Our laws are fine the way they are. I don't need a new raft of shit to save me from nothing.

I think in keeping with US constitution states should decide what gun control looks like. I don't think "Big Brother" should have a list.

[ravermeister]

luckyily we're not all the same.
and I like our restrictive laws to guns, the whole mental attitude to Guns
is VERY different from yours, and I feel save here.
because most of the people here (I know) share the mind, that a gun does NOT bring
Protection. otherwise I would look for a place where I find that mentality.

I will stop talking about that now, because it won't led to an end, and writing takes
time (I like "live" conversations, as you can explain and react better).

and in the end you can not deny that guns are created to take life,
so it is difficult to impossible to use it for something else....

[thinktink]

Gun control is "Bullshit" according to Penn & Teller.

[rockouthippie]

that a gun does NOT bring
Protection

Your crime statistics contradict you. You may not get shot in the UK, but you're 4X more likely to get raped, mugged, assaulted or suffer a home invasion.

90% of murders in the US are gang related. They almost never kill an innocent. Just each other... so who cares?

If you aren't into bad shit. If you don't try to do a beat down on the neighborhood watch guy. If you aren't hanging with people who are into bad shit, you're safer than in England.

I could see that if you were a criminal, you'd rather be in the UK. Would you like some criminals? I'm sure we have some to spare.

You think people getting shot is always a bad thing. I disagree. Call it Darwinian.

[ravermeister]

first I don't know the situation in the UK,
I Come from Germany and our Crime statistic is not comparable to yours... (you're from the U.S right?)
yes I think this way, that no one has the right to choose who shall live and who not

[rockouthippie]

I Come from Germany and our Crime statistic is not comparable to yours

Germany doesn't have any pissed off ethnic minorities that like to run around killing each other. Germany cured that problem about 70 years ago.

[ravermeister]

...Found a cool Picture thought I should post it...

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

I need more magazines.

[rockouthippie]

What? No drum mag?

[thinktink]

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Originally Posted by rockouthippie

What? No drum mag?

They're jam-tastic, and cost over $175 for a 100 round one. The best 60 rounder, Surefires, are $150. I'll stick to the sub $20 thirty round Magpul Pmags and Troy Battlemags for now.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Originally Posted by ravermeister

...Found a cool Picture thought I should post it...

See, guns are safer than those kinder eggs. No kid ever choked on a gun now, did they?

And if she is taught the proper way to handle, clean and store guns, it should never be a problem. Also, she will not have any problems with burglars, rapists and murderers.

On the other hand, if that little boy does not choke on his "toy", he will probably be bullied on the school playground and end up taking his own life by the time he is sixteen.

So, what I just wrote, could that be realistic, or just advertising for the gun clubs?

[ravermeister]

that are sick thoughts, and I'm not in a mood to disuss this stupid topic
anymore. I'm happy to not love with such strange people!

[rockouthippie]

In this months news, we have a woman trying to murder Starbucks customers by poisoning their OJ, we've got Ricin mailed to President Obama and we've got a pressure cooker bomb to blow runners up at the Boston Marathon.

You think a couple rifles matter?

Call me Ron Paul, but I think the states can monitor their own gun programs. How many million did our government spend jerking off over this issue? How many rounds of golf did we buy Biden while he was "working" on this completely irrelevant piece of legislation?

How many million do we spend to make 15,000 gun homicides, 14,000 while 1 in 6 of us went hungry today? You can't even point to the fact that messing with this will save any lives at all.

We can't make it so your kindergarten won't get shot up. We could make it so you aren't hungry when you get shot. Maybe if you weren't hungry, you wouldn't be pissed and shoot the rest of us.

Pick your priority. Our Democrat Congress has picked another non-issue for us to form some historic legislation around.

[thinktink]

lulz:

[rockouthippie]

Here's our bullshit artist blaming the US for Mexico's drug war claiming that most of the guns involved come from the US. This simply isn't true. Perhaps 10-20% of the guns the cartels have came from the US. But hell, if a lie meets Obama's political agenda, he'll tell a whopper. We need a "comprehensive approach" to pay social workers to be bullshit artists. I'm sure it will be "spensive".

Uh.... well we could legalize weed and take about $20BN a year away from the cartels... but it isn't the time.... uhh... so now it's the time to do something stupid instead of effective. We'd have to fire thousands of DEA agents and we just couldn't have that.

Shine that helmet.