Old 11th November 2009, 11:29   #1
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Winamp NEEDS a WIKI guide!!! read me!

dear winamp,

your website BADLY needs to host a wiki so that users can create a guide on how to use winamp. winamp is complex and needs this documentation!

you guys should host it, and set up an initial table of contents and set the general structure. you should force people to create and login to a wiki account, and not allow anonymous edits so as to prevent nonsense.

then, as good articles get written, you should include little icons in the winamp app in the prefs and even by normal functions that link to the wiki explanaions.

this is an obvious slam dunk NEED, what say you winamp?

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Old 12th November 2009, 11:35   #2
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http://dev.winamp.com/wiki/Main_Page

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Old 12th November 2009, 11:36   #3
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perhaps i wasn't clear...

i am talking about a USERS guide that is linked from the MAIN page and inside the app itself.

what i propose isn't appropriate for that wiki.

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Old 16th November 2009, 09:17   #4
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thx Craig for your thoughtful response in the other thread, my replies below:
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I'll just state that the idea is a perfectly valid one, it has pro's and con's, and it doesnt need someone beating on the drum to get it looked at. This is pretty much identical for everything in the wishlist, and as always, just because one person posts it, does not make it automatically appear in Winamp.
wiki links inside the app are in the wishlist? if so, my mistake. i try not to dupe the wishlist.
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My initial response (in the other thread again), pointed at the already existing Wiki. Granted, this is for devs, but the wiki can and does hold any information you throw at it. If someone wishes to begin the exercise of documenting winamp functionality within that wiki (and certainly, it would be a valuable resource to developers as well as normal consumers),
i don't think the two wikis should be conflated, that will really confuse people. i also think winamp needs to take a lead in establishing a basic structure/table of contents, (just copy the help file) and needs to link it from the main home page. imo, its folly to think some lone person, like me for instance, would take on this project alone.

its a chicken and egg issue. you [winamp] need to start it, and if if you promote it on the site and in the app its assured people will contribute to it.
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then maybe it could be integrated into Winamp at a later date. But integration with no information is not a very good start.
well, thats why i didn't suggest integration be done until good articles are written, however if you simply use the help file you could create "start points" for many things, for really little effort at all.
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Also, of course, the majority of support and inter-linking appears on this forum. and Indeed, moderators and community members have set up multiple pieces of reference material that are used time and time again, if information was on a wiki too, it would no doubt be of use as part of that arsenal.
forums are messy and are no substitute for wiki documentation. a good many people won't even bother with them when they will read a wiki. and integration of the app makes a lot more sense with a wiki than the forums.

thx again.

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Old 16th November 2009, 11:39   #5
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thx Craig for your thoughtful response in the other thread, my replies below:
wiki links inside the app are in the wishlist? if so, my mistake. i try not to dupe the wishlist.
sorry, it wasnt on the wishlist, you're the first to mention it that I know. I just meant that it only needed the single mention to be worth of discussion.

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i don't think the two wikis should be conflated, that will really confuse people. i also think winamp needs to take a lead in establishing a basic structure/table of contents, (just copy the help file) and needs to link it from the main home page. imo, its folly to think some lone person, like me for instance, would take on this project alone.
Sorry, I fail to see what the difference is of having it be on seperate installations of mediawiki as opposed to mediawiki namespaces/portals with appropriate visual representation.

It seems that the front-end is the most important issue for you, and well, that has nothing to do with mediawiki, see the following for examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Atlas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Baseball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:History_of_science

All of them a different window to content, and all content on wikipedia. I'd say this is entirely capable to achieve with the installation already up there.

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i'm no wiki expert, so maybe you only need one backend, i don't know.

but what you were suggesting, or so i thought, was that the existing developers wiki also be used or expanded into a users guide.

so from a users perspective, i thought this a bad idea, b/c it would conflate, and also, not be the purpose of a dev wiki. secondly, i think the proposed wiki should have its own web address, again, thats separate from the dev one.

i don't mean to tell you all how to do all this technically, you surely know better than i. i just mean to say that i think the two wikis have two separate purposes, and shouldn't conflate via the "frontend" if that makes sense?

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Yep. Makes sense. But yeah, things like look and feel and URL are all just technical issues, and very basic ones at that too. The point is, that there is a wiki, and content can be placed in it. The rest of the supporting architecture can be applied around it almost trivially.

Of course, as we already agreed, content must come first. Which is why I pointed to the existing software installation that is entirely capable of capturing that content

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http://www.winamp.com/help/Main_Page

done!

so how long until links appear in the app to the wiki?


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