Old 24th July 2009, 13:34   #1
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SHOUTcasting for fun + Copyright law?

Hey. I have used SHOUTcast in the past for various reasons, both broadcasting and listening. Without going into a whole sob story, I have a show on a legit FM (at a university) which may or may not end soon, pushing me back to the ranks of the Internet and SHOUTcast.

That is no problem for me, since my show is a talk show. I ditched our all of our music -- any problems were sidestepped. Now that I'm back, I've begun to wonder. On top of that, I am thinking of inviting our timeslot-mates to join us in the realm of SHOUTcast. The server I'm moving to can probably support 24/7 streaming, and I'd love the programming.

The problem is... their show is a Hip Hop show. For that reason, I've begun reading up on copyright law. It seems a lot has gone down in 2009 with webcasting and royalties and whatnot. Here is some of the stuff I've read that piqued my interest:

http://www.betanews.com/article/Copy...ies/1233268577
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....ight=copyright
A lot on http://swcast.net/

From what I understand, royalties now are (or soon will be) tied to a percentage of revenue. Is that correct? That's where I feel like my case is a little bit more unique from what is being covered in this literature. My site/station will have NO REVENUE, and will be done for fun and experience alone. Am I free from fees? I don't have "at least" $500 to spend on royalties for a site which I have no intention of profiting from.

I tried to go to the "http://www.jplprogram.com/" website to calculate what it would cost me, but they're down. Their Google cached page didn't give me a total when I filled out their calculation form. I'm unsure of my status with licensing, and if I even need one.

Am I to understand I'm exempt from fees as a revenue-free station? Do I even still have to register to make my presence known? Am I NOT free from fees? If not, why?

I searched on here for things written about this before, and came up mostly empty. I'm sorry if this has already been asked.

Thanks,

Rob
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Old 24th July 2009, 14:24   #2
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Best place to ask is www.loudcity.net as they are licensing gurus as opposed to most of us are just shoutcast geeks.
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Old 24th July 2009, 14:36   #3
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Old 24th July 2009, 18:43   #4
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I'd go with swcast.net. Here is how I calculated my tier:

Figure worst case scenario (At All Times) to avoid a suprise bill in the future. Here is how I figured my TLH (With the help of KWD Services). I have 10 slots. Now figure 240 TLH for 24 hrs that day. Now multiply that by 31. To make it simple you'll need 8,000 TLH/Mo for every 10 listener slots at $13/mo. So 20 listener slots will cost you $26/Mo for your swcast.net license. 30 listeners would be $13x3 and so on. 100 slots would be 13x100=$1,300/Mo. As a hobby station you'll probably want to stick to 10-20 listeners unless you have a huge wallet. This does not include the price of a server/Month. A good rule of thumb is $1 to $1.50 per listener slot at 128K. If you broadcast music in less than 128K (unless your are Top40/Rap) will sound like cow dung so if your a Classic Rock/Progressive Rock station you'll get an absolute zero listener/hr as a guarantee since Progressive Rock fans are the utmost picky of audiophiles. I've heard Progressive Rock stations broadcast at 320K and a server hosting 320K would most likely cost you $2 per listener slot. 10 listeners may cost you $20-30/Mo plus license. It sounds like your a Rap station in which listeners only care about base. Therefore you can get by at 64K stereo Mp3 or maybe even 56K and you can get a server really cheap. Rap listeners will listen to a 24K Mono Mp3 and won't even notice. I'd try 24K Mono of your on a budget and maybe try the FREE shoutcast server which you can run yourself for any Hobby Rap station.

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