Old 9th January 2003, 11:32   #1
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Brain Cancer

Recently, it seems like these boards have been afflicted with it...this place is rapidly degenerating into one giant #******* wet dream, full of mindless spam, nonsensical threads, and deliberate post derailment, and I'm sick of it. I've tried speaking out against it, only to have a mod tell me to shut the fuck up, and various #******* whores tell me to fuck off...so fuck it, I'll follow various others' recent examples and leave, I'm not wanted here anyways, and I doubt that more than a few (if any) people will care anyways.

If you're expecting some childish, rm' style porn posting spree, then sorry to disappoint...I will say the following however, while I do hold a good degree of respect for many of the people who post here, even those whom I clash with ideologically (such as Xerxes and Curious_George and Widdy), there exists a group of people whose sheer idiocy and childishness is unbelievable, and they have been gaining an increasing presence on these boards as the people who actually have something intelligent to contribute get overwhelemed by the rampant stupidity and either leave or stop posting...I have tried to speak out and affect change for the better, and the response I got was a resounding "fuck off, we like things the way they are." Well I don't, and I don't see how any intelligent person could, but whatever, I'm not going to stick around and try to change things when people have made it so abundantly clear that they do not want things to change.

Let it be said that I have nothing against the majority of the members of this forum (if you want a specification, then I am "happily indifferent" to most of the people here), but the stupidity that has come to permeate these boards from all the inbreeding going on in #******* is just too much, and it's sad in a way. A community that was once fun and intellectually stimulating has been ruined by the introduction of a few braindead individuals who have no respect for others. So Bizz, go ahead and continue to disrupt threads with your pointless little pictures, as coming up with something intelligent to add doesn't seem to be within your mental capacity, and go ahead and keep having sex with the mods in #******* (fuck them hard once for me), I don't care anymore (though from one "immature asshole" to another, grow up, and stop fucking with other people's conversations), and I'd be surprised if anyone here cares that I'm gone.

Go ahead and flame me if you want, the only thread I will miss is that nice poetry one that Nem made (too little, too late really...), and I reserve the right to check in on it (and maybe this thread) periodically. As far as the rest of these forums are concerned, fuck it, I'm through.
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Old 9th January 2003, 11:35   #2
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You know what dude, i NEVER want anyone to leave the forums, I try my best be play nice and bring some fun to this forum. But you took it upon yourself to act like an immature little fucktard, trying to look 'cool' but only to fail whist losing your credibility on these forums. Iv'e personally tried to give you another chance, but you were too fuckin stupid to believe me. If you think your flaming and bullshit posts make you an "intelligent person" you are dead wrong. In the 2 years I have been here Ive NEVER seen you make ONE meaningful contribution to this forum, ive only seen you take your temper tantrums out on my fellow #******* mates on more than one occasion. Ive NEVER seen you contribute to tech support, nor try to help out in ANY way. Ive seen nothing but negativity from you ESPECIALLY recently. The forums DO NOT need people like you. You have definitely pushed the envelope, goodbye, don't let the door kick your ass on the way out.

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Some1, I hope that you find the sort of forum that you seem to be looking for. Good luck.
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I agree, and will go as far as to extend a hand to welcome you back if you ever decide to return

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And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands.

As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship.

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...So Bizz, go ahead and continue to disrupt threads with your pointless little pictures, as coming up with something intelligent to add doesn't seem to be within your mental capacity, and go ahead and keep having sex with the mods in #******* (fuck them hard once for me), I don't care anymore (though from one "immature asshole" to another, grow up, and stop fucking with other people's conversations, and I'd be surprised if anyone here cares that I'm gone.
You say that bizz is imature, but I dont see him going around telling people to fuck the mods. You sware so much in your posts, that you dont realize how imature you seem. Well If you want to flame people, then Good bye to you.


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Since I am the mod in question, I can reply. I didn't tell you to shut the fuck up (you, on the other hand addressed a general "fuck you" to several people). What happened is that I just asked you to play nice in the "respect" thread and put Bizz on ignore if he bothered you; instead of that, you posted a flaming pic and started ranting about how mods suck, how this joint sucks, how the whole world is after you and so on... People will judge for themselves by reading the thread.
I reiterate : these forums are no obligation. No one forces you to read them. But if you choose to, then you have to follow the rules. If Bizz's pics were so annoying, why didn't you PM a mod and ask them to do something about it ? Ah yes, mods are corrupt, and nothing can beat a good flaming, right ? This is pathetic.
And Bizz, fueling the fire is certainly not helping. Flaming back is never the solution, you should know it.

So in order not to be accused of being either a "nazi" as some people like to put it or "corrupt", I expect an apology from you both within the next 2 days. If nothing is posted, I will ban each of you for 1 week for persistent flaming.

That's all I have to say.
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i'd like to address this issue about moderators "going easy" on "friends" in *******, obviously people who beleive this, havnt spent enough time in there, and/or dont know the moderator well, im very good friends with Twilightseer, but when i step out of line, he makes it blatently clear to me, and i respect him for being able to continue his role, he knows i, and others in ******* who know him well, will not be offended, or scorn him for asking of us to follow the rules, after all, he, like all other moderators here, are simply trying to keep the peace, so if you sit there and say, "the only reason bizz isnt being told off is because he's seers friend", then you need to really think about it, and get to know those your pointing out, because what goes on is mutual respect, not underhanded scheming, all moderators here do their job, they arent paid to do so, they simply dont want fools running rampant around the boards, flaming and breaking rules.

this is mirrored in society by the presence of the law, obide by the rules or accept the consequences, "knowing" the rule enforcer does not lighten the punnishment.
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Although I disagree with Bizz - Some1 _has_ made some very intelligent and thoughtful posts on this forum, the latter seems to be turning into another rm' which this forum doesn't need at this point. rm' without the controversy is a useful addition to any forum, however once you start challenging rules, you have to answer to them. Twilightseer was being perfectly reasonable in asking you to stop flaming Bizz. The thread had already been derailed so to complain on the grounds that he was derailing it further is moot. Feel free to come back once you have calmed down, though.

Bizz, play nice.
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I'm with some1, bizznatch killed two threads last night by posting pointless pictures.

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No bizznatch, you derailed it. Are you blind as well as stupid?
Discussion too intelligent for you? Then ignore it, don't ruin it for the rest of us.

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Spend less time posting irrelevant pictures and read his posts.


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So in order not to be accused of being either a "nazi" as some people like to put it or "corrupt", I expect an apology from you both within the next 2 days. If nothing is posted, I will ban each of you for 1 week for persistent flaming. - Twilightseer
Not being a nazi!? Then threaten to ban for a week for some very mild flaming. You just don't get it.


Don't go some1. Don't let the idiots win.
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Not being a nazi!? Then threaten to ban for a week for some very mild flaming. You just don't get it.
Apparently, it's much easier for you to comment on mods' decisions than it was for you to actually make decisions when you were a mod.
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and not to be the dick here, but I think that in all technicallity, I derailed that last thread.

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And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands.

As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship.

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There is one thing that I'd like to clarify. When (in the other thread) I said:

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I meant it completely in jest (the stuff before it was slightly less than 1/2 in jest). I would NEVER seriously advocate the lifetime banning of anybody, although in the heat of the argument it looks like this statement got taken seriously, and I never rectified the matter. So, if Bizz or anybody else was offended by this comment, then I truly do apologize (and this is the closest thing you will get to an apology Twilightseer, if you feel that it is inadequate, and that banning me will make you a "good" mod, then by all means do so), as this was not my intent. But I do stand behind everything I said about Bizz's image posting habits. They ARE in violation of the rules, they DO ruin threads, and they SHOULD NOT be allowed.

as long as I'm here...

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You are a mod, correct? You were actively posting to that thread, correct? Why would I bother with a PM when you were right there, quite able to see exactly what I was complaining about and why? Aside from this, I think that "forum politics" is a matter for public dissection, not private discussion, and Bizz's habit of derailing threads with those redundant images is neither new, unknown, or isolated to that thread...I felt it was time for it to receive some public scrutiny, and the public seems to have declared that they like having their conversations interrupted by meaningless pictures, and since I believe that people have the right to choose the kind of community they want to have, and because I am clearly in the minority, I will leave and let everybody have their forums filled with the "funny" images that they seem to love so much.

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this is mirrored in society by the presence of the law, obide by the rules or accept the consequences, "knowing" the rule enforcer does not lighten the punnishment.
Please don't take this as a flame, but that statement of yours is simply not true. It is far easier to avoid being punished for something, or to lessen your punishment, if you are friends with the police, or the judge, or various other "people in high places." What you speak of is the societial ideal, not the actuality of society itself.

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The thread had already been derailed so to complain on the grounds that he was derailing it further is moot.
No, it had NOT been derailed, at least not in a detrimental way. People were still contributing and discussing in a civilized and intelligent manner, until the picture spam started. The topic may have changed, but if you're conversing with a friend about the simpsons, and after awhile after you've talked about the simpsons rather thoroughly, your friend broaches the topic of south park, do you allow the conversation to flow along its natural path, or do you whack your friend in the side of the head with a baseball bat and scream "NO!, We will talk about the Simpsons or we will talk about how wonderful it sounds every time I hit you in the head with this baseball bat!!!"?

Conversations grow and evolve as they progress, and it's only natural for a topic to change once the orginal subject has been adequately covered. This is not detrimental to the conversation in any way (in fact I would contend that it is quite beneficial). Deeming a thread worthless and "spam-worthy" every time its topic diverges from the original subject, and flooding it with pictures, however, IS detrimental both to the conversation, and the community as a whole.

Finally, I appreciate the fact that some of you have come to my defense, but please, do not turn this into an even bigger flame war. The cold reality is that Bizz and his friends represent the majority party in this issue, and as far as I'm concerned, the majority rules. If they think I'm so ignorant and detrimental to these forums, and want me to leave, I'll leave. Like I said, the people of the community are entitled to choose what kind of community they want, and if they want one without me in it, then so be it.

Okay, I have said what I wanted to say without flaming or name calling, now it is time for bed.

Oh...I almost forgot the obligatory swears...fuck shit bitch ass slut.

(or for those who can't read between the lines, word choice says nothing about maturity level...CONTENT does.)
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Ok so

1) I never stated anywhere that I wanted you to leave.

2) The apology I was asking for was related to the flaming itself (that is the pic you posted) and the fact that it came after a post in which Bizz was obviously (there's not necessarily a double-entendre to anything) trying to make peace.

3) About the so-called politics, you overlooked the fact that Bizz is warned as well and facing a potential ban. This pretty much ruins the whole "******* wet dream" theory.

4) I really didn't think this would get out of proportion. But heck, the last thing we need right now is to have more useless flame wars.

5) The "ignore list" has a purpose : it allows you not to see posts by the people you put on it. If you find yourself regularly irritated by the style of a poster, then by all means ignore him. It works wonderfully.

6) Lately, there have been tons of people complaining about things like : censorship, excessive banning, "nazi mods" and so on. This is bullshit. All we want is to keep the forumers happy. Now, if that involves occasional locking or banning, then so be it, at least for me. That whole thing between you and Bizz is something that could have been solved by other means: was it really necessary for you to post that pic to make your point ? No.

Now, your apology is accepted and all I want is to see Bizz posting his own(which I'm sure he will); this way, none of you will be banned and everyone will be happy.
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I didn't feel like sleeping...

1. I didn't say that you explicitly did (or at least didn't mean to). The collective "Bizz and friends" refers to more than just you and him, and includes some of the people who have already spoken up, as well as others who probably will later (naming names strikes me as rude though, so I won't).

2. Both the pics had multiple possible meanings, at least one which was overt, and one which was hidden. Bizz's had a polite overt message and a nasty hidden one, mine was nasty in the overt sense, but polite in its hidden meaning (remember the jovial expressions on the people's faces? I intentionally selected it for that reason, when I had at my disposal several pics that were simply nastry to the core). But I consider this topic moot now.

3. I don't necessarily agree with what you said (the theory is actually far more complex than simply "******* ppl get preference from the mods," and has far more to do with the overall tone of these boards than with the administrative aspects), but for now, no comment (except for the stuff in parenthesis).

4. Yep.

5. I dislike the idea of ignoring anybody, and besides, while the ignore list may prevent me from seeing the picture spam, it doesn't prevent the damage from being done...what good is it if a thread gets derailed by Bizz's pics and I have ignore on? I don't see the pics, but that doesn't restore order to the thread, now does it? It's not the pics themselves which I find objectionable, it's the affect which they have on discussions, and the ignore list won't help fix this. A mod informing Bizz that the picture spam is inappropriate and will not be tolerated might.

6. Yes, I felt it necessary to answer BOTH meanings represented by his pic, but like I said, it's moot.
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Just wondering i heard that mobile phones/cell phones cause all kinds of shit to your head is it true or not???????
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Isn't this great? Blunt, open hostilities served fresh daily on the winamp.com forums.

Sorry to see you leave, some1- you were a great sparring partner. I sympathize with your plight.
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I only comment on bad decisions. Yes i'm sure i made a few myself. You had your chance to complain then.

I also made plenty of decisions, you were probably too busy needlesly warning users to notice me

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Just wondering i heard that mobile phones/cell phones cause all kinds of shit to your head is it true or not???????
You probably get more radiation from the microwave when popping popcorn.

Some1, sorry to see you go.

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okay. no more of that. thanks.
Different thread, but you get the point.
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Yes, I think just about everyone has had enough of that picture.

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Sorry guys, but it's like i'm addicted. And all of these threads about recent events are becoming comical to me b/c of thier over redundancy.
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There is one thing that I'd like to clarify. When (in the other thread) I said:



I meant it completely in jest (the stuff before it was slightly less than 1/2 in jest). I would NEVER seriously advocate the lifetime banning of anybody, although in the heat of the argument it looks like this statement got taken seriously, and I never rectified the matter. So, if Bizz or anybody else was offended by this comment, then I truly do apologize
ok so WHY should I believe YOU? YOU are the one who took my 'group hug' post WAY out of context. You know what, I dont know if you saying that in jest is 100% true, or if you are just trying to cover the shit you forgot to bury.

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:sigh: rm' was (supposedly) known for starting arguments but not ever being able to see the other person's side, and thats why some hated him. Now you are donig the same. Some1 makes perfectly valid points about how Bizz spams with his pics and derails threads, but because he is buddy-buddy with the people "in charge," BOTH get a warning. Whatever happens happens, but I am detecing a little bit of a doubl standard. Whatever happens hapens, but Some1, you'll be missed.

p.s. Orgone_Man, i love that pic! lol
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last time I checked, Some1 got warned for flaming, not by making his point, which, by the way, I dont give a fuck about. Now, as for apologizing, i'm all for it, I'm a peaceful person, I'm sorry if I pissed you off Some1, but you attacked me, and that is wrong, no matter what forum you go to. Please stop thinking you are better than everyone else. Sorry if I come off as childish, but I COME TO THESE FORUMS TO HAVE FUN, I am a totally different person in real life in a sense. You'd be surprised how smart and mature I am. You dont see it because I dont show it. Dont judge anyone by the way they act on the internet, because in real life they could be completely different.

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Now, as for picture spamming and post pumping, please be aware that you are not a moderator, and after your recent 'temper tantrum' you probly will never be. If you have a problem with my one pic posts, too bad, there is nothing you can do about NOR will I ever stop doing it, you have to get over the fact that I do, and If you don't like it, well too damn bad. The only people who have a say in what I should and should not post are the moderators and the admin, in which I follow the rules as good if not better than all of the other members here. Keep in mind that I have never been banned from here, and there are many regular members that think I am a quality forums member. You may not think so, but hey, we all have our own opinions.

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Fine. Everyone can move on now. I've also asked Bizz to tone it down on the pics

Case dismissed !
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I've also asked Bizz to tone it down on the pics
I also got a PM from another mod about this, .
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ok so WHY should I believe YOU? YOU are the one who took my 'group hug' post WAY out of context. You know what, I dont know if you saying that in jest is 100% true, or if you are just trying to cover the shit you forgot to bury.
Why should you indeed? People believe what they want to believe anyways, so I'm not going to sit here and try to shove my apology down your throat...I offer it at its face value, and if you want to accept it then fine, and if not, then also fine. I will point out the following however:

1. As I'm sure any regular forum-goer will point out, my political alignment is anything but authoritarian, and I have spoken out against the mods many times, for things as small as locking a thread, and I don't think there's been a single banning since I've been here which I haven't spoken out against, so why would I seriously advocate for you to be banned? I don't dislike ANYBODY that much, and when it comes to politics, I neither play favorites nor mince words, as doing so would preclude me from being able to speak out against various political systems/issues without also labeling myself as a hypocrite, and I happen to have a bit more integrity than that.

2. I spoke out against the banning of rm', and despite what raydream seems to think, I am quite aware of the things that rm' did, and of the fact the you have done nothing as "bad" as what he di, but that's irrelevant...my point is that NO BEHAVIOR warrants a lifetime ban as far as I'm concerned, even if a member repeatedly breaks the rules...at worst I'd say the flagrant repeat offenders should be banned for a month, and if after that time they decide to come back, and break the rules, ban them for another month, and so on.

But if you still want to think that instead of offering a true apology I am simply trying to cover my ass out of "shame" or something, then by all means do so. Belief lies in the eye of the beholder, and I'll not try to force you to accept something you don't want to accept.

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you attacked me, and that is wrong, no matter what forum you go to.
If by "attacked" you mean to say "pointed out that your behavior was detrimental to the thread and not appreciated," then yes, I did indeed "attack" you (and so did Curious_George in a previous post, which you summarily ignored), but only after you "attacked" everybody who was participating in that discussion with your picture posts, and then refused to stop even after being asked.

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Sorry if I come off as childish, but I COME TO THESE FORUMS TO HAVE FUN
And so does everybody else here, and that's perfectly fine. If, however, your idea of "fun" is undermining serious discussion with posts about half triangles and dinosaurs, then that IS NOT fine. The people who want to have meaningful discussions are entitled to their "fun" just as much as you are, and your unique definition of "fun" doesn't give you the right to walk on other people...I wouldn't have even bothered to complain except for that you were politely asked to stop by Curious_George (and you refused), and the fact that it was hardly the first time that you had intentionally ruined a thread with your pics.

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I am a totally different person in real life in a sense. You'd be surprised how smart and mature I am. You dont see it because I dont show it. Dont judge anyone by the way they act on the internet, because in real life they could be completely different.
I'm sorry, but given that I will only "know" you in the context of the Internet, and probably never in real life, it is perfectly acceptable for me to use your conduct on the Internet as the basis of my opinion of you, as I will never be exposed to you in any other context. You may very well be the most polite, charming person on the face of the planet in real life, but that doesn't mean shit if you're rude to people online, and all I see is your online persona.

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Now, as for picture spamming and post pumping, please be aware that you are not a moderator, and after your recent 'temper tantrum' you probly will never be.
Nor have I ever (or will I ever) expressed a desire to be a moderator. Why? Because if somebody is behaving like an ass, I enjoy having the freedom to point out to them that they're being an ass, and I enjoy having the freedom to tell them to "fuck off and die" if I so desire. Were I to become a mod, I would have to give up this freedom, and I would also be required to enforce rules that I don't necessarily agree with...no, I would rather not be a mod, and your obvervation that my behavior was "un-modlike" is moot as I am not a mod, nor a candidate for a mod, so I am under no obligation to purport myself like a mod.

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If you have a problem with my one pic posts, too bad, there is nothing you can do about NOR will I ever stop doing it, you have to get over the fact that I do, and If you don't like it, well too damn bad.
First, posts such as that "construction of a Half Triangle" thing have far more than "one pic," and the fact that you chain the picture posts together in rapid succession makes the presence of only one picture per post irrelelevant.

Second, thank you for making your intent to continue to violate the posted rules about picture usage so abundantly clear. I can only hope that a moderator will finally take notice this time.

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I follow the rules as good if not better than all of the other members here.
And I'm the one who thinks he's "better than everyone else"? Interesting...

Additionally, in response to the recent "don't bitch about why you're leaving, just fucking leave" sentiment...all I can say is that if the people who stay are entitled to bitch about the behavior of the people who are leaving, the people who are leaving have every right to bitch about the behavior of the pepole they are leaving behind.

EDIT: wow, so many posts made while I was typing...
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why should this go private nem? it is a topic that addresses more than one individual, and i would quite like to see what happens out of it.
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so is everyone ready for that group hug now?
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GROUPHUG.JPG!!!!!
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