Old 26th January 2004, 05:18   #1
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woa, wait. Rap Sucks?

yeah. A lot of it does. It's true. I can legitimately watch Mtv and mistake one for the other and fall asleep and think I'm watching the same video an hour later (with Mtv, sometimes you really are).
Admitted a lot of them sound the same and blah de blah, but you know what? Some of it is pretty good. There are only a few I don't mind, and it's more songs than performers. I like Hey Ya, Get Down by Nas, Some Eminem, and a couple others. The ones that seem to have an oldish flare to them or just smooth beats and fun shit. I don't like to hear how 50 cent is going to blow away Ja Rules dad while fucking his mother, I want to hear about strange musings put to an old beat from the early 60's. Or easy-going bullshit put to a laid back beat that someone played with for six days and then slowed it down and now it's perfect.


And I'm a huge fan of a lot of Rock, I really dig in on punk (although I don't have enough of it), and I hated a lot of the eighties. I'm a defunct Nirvana child, who liked Alice in Chains and Soundgarden much more, hating All rap until the Beastie Boys, then Beck's crossover into a techno-rap-babble and then at last to Rage Against Machine, who finally made me open up to quick lyrics and hot loops (which, in Rage, were'nt really loops), and now I can appreciate a good beat. I love a good beat as long as it's not played out.

Wow, this is long and I haven't really said much. Some rap is decent. Try it before you buy it, sure, but at least try it.

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Old 26th January 2004, 05:39   #2
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Hey Ya is a great song.

I actually like Eminem, I own all his CD's.

As for the others, there's quite a lot here and there I like. Some I own, have downloaded, but only the good stuff. Things like Ja Rule and 50 Cent, I hate. Can't stand.

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I'm selective, too, in which rap I'll listen to. A majority does suck the big one. Can't stand quite a bit that's way overplayed on the radio and clubs.
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does DeLa Soul go in the r&b section or are the early rappers??

if early rappers than I do like some of it - can't stand the majority of the rap today when on the radio it gets turned off.

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Old 26th January 2004, 09:25   #5
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There are some good rappers.

Method Man, at least his songs like Judgement Day, and Cradle Rock.

Sage Francis. I've only heard his Makeshift Patriot song but damned if it aint't cool shit.

Some Outkast is good. Mrs. Jackson, B.O.B., and The Whole World.

Busta Rhymes is good.

And last but not least, Cypress Hill, all that is good about rap.

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Old 26th January 2004, 12:00   #6
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I'm sorry but i hate it all. I find it extremely terrible.

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gah, like some american rap shit, even a couple of eminem's songs....

but im much more into Asian and European Rap/Hip Hop.
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Old 26th January 2004, 16:00   #8
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I like a few of Snoop Dogg's songs...

Jurassic 5 are good...

Used to like Busta Ryhmes and Eminem...

I also like some other unknown people, like Styles Of Beyond, The Nextmen, Dub Pistols and Ozomatli...

Otherwise, I don't like rap at all...

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Old 26th January 2004, 16:08   #9
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oh dear, an ignorant rap discussion...
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Old 26th January 2004, 20:27   #10
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rap sucks. not music in my opinion. but its just an opinion, just incase someone tries to eat me for saying it


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oh dear, an ignorant rap discussion...
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Old 26th January 2004, 22:18   #12
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I'm sorry but i hate it all. I find it extremely terrible.
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Old 27th January 2004, 00:09   #13
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Please, enlighten us o' lord.

whatever whatever

i'm not about to go pretending i know all about the music you're into, so go figure
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Old 27th January 2004, 00:54   #14
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I find it easier to keep an open mind about music and it's paths than to keep myself blinded to anything from a certain genre.

I used to say that I hated rap, all kinds, no contest. But I can't say that anymore, because some of it isn't bad, some is actually decent. It's just like rock, you have to mill through the shit in order to find the good stuff.

Remember, I'm the Elvis Costello, Rancid, Clutch, KoRn, Beethovan, Hendrix, Cars, Clash, Jethro Tull, and Beatles fan. I'm into a lot of music, it's not like I'm a novice.

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To me, it does suck. I guess its just my selection and preference that makes it that way. Sadly enough, some of the popular ones from Eminem, I'll listen if its good to me. But I'm more rock and some alternative.

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Just saying cause we really aren't pretending we know all about rap. Most of us just know that the majority of rap sucks to us.

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Old 27th January 2004, 08:01   #18
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Rap is the antithesis of progess - everything about it is barbaric: The format is simple repetition of drumbeats along with 1-3 samples, and the subject matter is

crime: drugs, whores, vice

sob stories: how hard it is to make it as a low class individual in a low tax bracket

rich stories: conversely, infantile bragging about the size of one's diamonds, house, escalade, gun barrel.

"honor violence" committed with guns: there is not any other genre so fixated on the aspect of resolving conflicts by shooting the person. This comes from primitive ideas about the concepts of "respect".

braggadocio: there is also no other genre that has the singers talking about how great they are - constant references of the "my rhymes are the best" "dont mess with me or I will kill you" sort.

Rap is a stagnant pool, a negative, a wrongheaded format that deserves to be forgotten.

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Eminem doesn't rap about anything to do with being "rich". It's only people like Jay-Z, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, etc. that do that.

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Eminem doesn't rap about anything to do with being "rich". It's only people like Jay-Z, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, etc. that do that.
Read back on what Xerxes said...What about his other songs like "Criminal" and "Kill You"? I'm sure you don't need to look up lyrics, give your song titles...

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Yeah, but I'm talking about the rich aspect. Only thing I could back up.

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Rap is the antithesis of progess - everything about it is barbaric: The format is simple repetition of drumbeats along with 1-3 samples, and the subject matter is

crime: drugs, whores, vice

sob stories: how hard it is to make it as a low class individual in a low tax bracket

rich stories: conversely, infantile bragging about the size of one's diamonds, house, escalade, gun barrel.

"honor violence" committed with guns: there is not any other genre so fixated on the aspect of resolving conflicts by shooting the person. This comes from primitive ideas about the concepts of "respect".

braggadocio: there is also no other genre that has the singers talking about how great they are - constant references of the "my rhymes are the best" "dont mess with me or I will kill you" sort.

Rap is a stagnant pool, a negative, a wrongheaded format that deserves to be forgotten.
time to turn off your radio and listen to some real hip-hop
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Rap is the antithesis of progess - everything about it is barbaric: The format is simple repetition of drumbeats along with 1-3 samples, and the subject matter is

crime: drugs, whores, vice

sob stories: how hard it is to make it as a low class individual in a low tax bracket

rich stories: conversely, infantile bragging about the size of one's diamonds, house, escalade, gun barrel.

"honor violence" committed with guns: there is not any other genre so fixated on the aspect of resolving conflicts by shooting the person. This comes from primitive ideas about the concepts of "respect".

braggadocio: there is also no other genre that has the singers talking about how great they are - constant references of the "my rhymes are the best" "dont mess with me or I will kill you" sort.

Rap is a stagnant pool, a negative, a wrongheaded format that deserves to be forgotten.
You sir are an idiot. You completely stereotyped an entire genre of music. That's like saying rock is all about a certain subject. Rap and rock are only formats, there is no set subject matter or topics that they cover. You can write a song about ANYTHING. You are just extremely ignorant and judgemental. TRUE alot of the commercial pop bullsh*t rap is about what you think it is about but that doesn't define it. There is tons of positive, thoughtful and itellectually provocative hip-hop. You just hear a hundred songs on MTV and think you know what hip-hop is. You're so lame it isn't even amusing.
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Rap is the antithesis of progess - everything about it is barbaric: The format is simple repetition of drumbeats along with 1-3 samples, and the subject matter is

crime: drugs, whores, vice

sob stories: how hard it is to make it as a low class individual in a low tax bracket

rich stories: conversely, infantile bragging about the size of one's diamonds, house, escalade, gun barrel.

"honor violence" committed with guns: there is not any other genre so fixated on the aspect of resolving conflicts by shooting the person. This comes from primitive ideas about the concepts of "respect".

braggadocio: there is also no other genre that has the singers talking about how great they are - constant references of the "my rhymes are the best" "dont mess with me or I will kill you" sort.

Rap is a stagnant pool, a negative, a wrongheaded format that deserves to be forgotten.
Like I said, most of it is shit. But some of it I can deal with.

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You sir are an idiot. You completely stereotyped an entire genre of music. That's like saying rock is all about a certain subject. Rap and rock are only formats, there is no set subject matter or topics that they cover. You can write a song about ANYTHING. You are just extremely ignorant and judgemental. TRUE alot of the commercial pop bullsh*t rap is about what you think it is about but that doesn't define it. There is tons of positive, thoughtful and itellectually provocative hip-hop. You just hear a hundred songs on MTV and think you know what hip-hop is. You're so lame it isn't even amusing.
You make an interesting point, but flaming mods isn't the greatest of opening arguments.

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You sir are an idiot. You completely stereotyped an entire genre of music. That's like saying rock is all about a certain subject. Rap and rock are only formats, there is no set subject matter or topics that they cover. You can write a song about ANYTHING. You are just extremely ignorant and judgemental. TRUE alot of the commercial pop bullsh*t rap is about what you think it is about but that doesn't define it. There is tons of positive, thoughtful and itellectually provocative hip-hop. You just hear a hundred songs on MTV and think you know what hip-hop is. You're so lame it isn't even amusing.
Point taken. The same can be said about every genre that ever existed. Would it make you happier if we had a sister thread named "Woah, Wait. Rap kicks ass?"

Just take metal for example, where you can have bands praising Satan and praying for his return, then have Christian metal praising God. We're just all about opinions here, and quite a few of us think rap is just a pile of shit for the most part. Just start your own thread praising rap or go play in the rap battle thread.

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Rap and rock are only formats, there is no set subject matter or topics that they cover. You can write a song about ANYTHING.


Like any genre, I am sure there is a minority that cares to actually write songs about ANYTHING.

Still The genre speaks for itself. Rap artists are so entangled in crime and vice that many of their greatest luminaries are shot by the gangs they glamorize. And last time I checked, the Notorious BIG, Tupac Shakur, and Run DMC were all beloved rap artists.

Also, be aware that if you want someone to deign to read your arguments, don't begin by calling the opposition an idiot.

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And last time I checked, the Notorious BIG, Tupac Shakur, and Run DMC were all beloved rap artists.
last time I checked they were very dead artists.

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I personally think rap sucks but yeah its my personal opinion…..I’m not telling anyone to hate rap or like rap (or to like pop either )
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last time I checked they were very dead artists.
I remember each death was accompnied by news reports with black women saying that it was the "Day that the Music Died" ... blissfully unaware of the actual Day the Music Died.

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I remember each death was accompnied by news reports with black women saying that it was the "Day that the Music Died" ... blissfully unaware of the actual Day the Music Died.
as far as I know "the music died"on

febr 3 1959 the day a plane crashed - killing

ritchie valens
buddy holly
the big bopper

and it didn't die when "biggy"or "2pac" got shot

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Stan-eminem feat dito and one feat Elton john. Very real look into some celebs lives and what some may have to deal with.

White america-Eminem, I think he nailed it.

No Love-Dead Prez. not violent big headed or anything. Not clean, but just goes to show that they are not above anyone and they would rather be with friends than piss about being ripped off by clubs.

Propaganda**-Dead Prez. A very real song, some interesting points that if read about is actually quite scary.


I am whatever you say i am-eminem. I would feel teh EXACT same way if i were in his shoes, or any other celeb for that matter.

The list goes on. Yes i will say rap is a lot of swearing and vulgar behaviour. you know what, a person has to look beyond the "fuck you bitch" "suck my cock" words and look at the whole song. You will find that a lot of it has actual real meaning. In fact most of the small time rappers (ie NOT on much music, radio etc) talks about what is REALLY happening on the streets, and how fucked it is not to be in the middle class america. I can totally understand if one doesnt liek the beat, an aquired taste for sure. But to say all sucks and should be forgotten, open your eyes its far morte real than most other genres. Just liek metal, shouldnt just be judged by Slip Knot or Cradle of Filth. If i only went by those two examples, fuck ya i would hate metal. Listening to women scream while dieing (well supposed to sound like it) and endless screaming just isnt music to me. Maybe if they shut their fuckin traps it would sound better, after all tehy are incredible musicians (instrument wise).

So please before saying all these ignorant things, look into it a bit more. The multi platnum, **** endorcing egotisticle "gangbanger" are not the genre, not even the majority.
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So please before saying all these ignorant things, look into it a bit more. The multi platnum, **** endorcing egotisticle "gangbanger" are not the genre, not even the majority.
you are walking thin ice kid by saying a thing like the above.
most members here do know their way around in music and if Xerxes and I joke about it doesn't mean we don't know what we are talking about.

If for any reason you feel we are attacking you - you miss the point of all the posts above.

And don't tell us what we need to listen to. it's all personal taste we post here and if you want to point out some song >>>>> there are other threads for that.

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Actually wasn't pointed either of you. Was refering to the remark that "all rap sucks and should be forgotten", which has now been edited out. That is definatly an ignorant point of view. No question. As for the examples...just backing up my opinion. Couldn't care less if anyone cares to listen to it or not. Nothing wrong with examples in my mind.

To add a bit. I see where you guys are coming from, with all the money/gang/guns/drugs etc etc. That is not rap, that is rappers. Rap is a style of music (like metal, rock, pop and so on) not the lyrics. The artist can say ANYTHING and it can fit in ANY genre. Genres are not really depicted by the lyrics, more the style in which they are put together. See where I'm coming from?

I'm truely not intending to piss anyone off, so dont take anyhting I say as offensive...thats not how I mean it. By the by ignorance is not a bad thing, we are all ignorant to something. It just is, cant know everything.
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Hmmm.. pretty much what I said near the first end of this thread, just in more words. I agree wholeheartedly... but I still hate most rap.

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Alrighty fellas (and Xerxes ), the whole basis of this thread was to say, "Hey, there are some decent rap songs out there other than the stupid shit."

Just remember that folks, and keep all music flowing
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Alrighty fellas (and Xerxes ), the whole basis of this thread was to say, "Hey, there are some decent rap songs out there other than the stupid shit."

Just remember that folks, and keep all music flowing
agree with you on this one Shy

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Old 8th February 2004, 01:00   #38
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every few millennia there may be a good song, but i wish it would just die and never come back
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Old 8th February 2004, 05:27   #39
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every few millennia there may be a good song, but i wish it would just die and never come back
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Alrighty fellas (and Xerxes ), the whole basis of this thread was to say, "Hey, there are some decent rap songs out there other than the stupid shit."

Just remember that folks, and keep all music flowing

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Old 8th February 2004, 06:18   #40
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About all 'rap' I listen to.
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