Old 2nd January 2007, 01:06   #201
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Old 2nd January 2007, 01:49   #202
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However, the act of ridicule itself is but a method of defense for the closed mind, protecting the soft underbelly, not allowing seeds of doubt to take root.
I thought it was mainly to punish the stupidity/naiveté required to actually think you can sway the beliefs of others with no evidence. Without negative stimuli you don't learn from your mistakes.

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Old 2nd January 2007, 04:47   #203
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Old 2nd January 2007, 23:44   #204
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I don't expect to change anybodys view, but when someone has a concrete view on spirituality or lack of it, based on something they read in a book, I like to open up the discussion.

My views on spirituality have been shaped by what I have experienced, not on what somebody else told me, or something I read in a book.

Anybody else can experience the same things I have _if they choose_, and they can they can make up their own mind. However it is easier to keep on the blinders and NOT investigate (because of their own personal fears) and to ridicule and poke fun.
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Old 3rd January 2007, 21:09   #206
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Old 4th January 2007, 23:03   #207
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My views on spirituality have been shaped by what I have experienced, not on what somebody else told me, or something I read in a book.
Noone is an island.

There is nothing wrong with atheism. There is something wrong with attacking religion. That's especially when it is a general attack.

I have no problem with atheism. I accept that point of view. I only take exception that it manifests itself as a broadside attack on religion.

Go be an atheist. Be happy. I'm a Christian and I'm not the one that ruined your day.
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Old 4th January 2007, 23:37   #208
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On the same note, I have no problem with christianity. I only take exception when its followers:

Indoctrinate children
Try and convert/annoy me
Pass laws to enforce their doctrine upon me
Start wars
Get into government and rely on prayer rather than reason
Slander and disrupt science
Use tax-exempt status

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The problems come from the extremists. All the major religions have their extremist branches, Christian fundamentalists, Jewish zionists, Islamic fundalmentalists, and Hindu militants. Though here in the much biased United States, there is a heavy focus the Islamic extremists, while the others are pretty much ignored.

The Buddhists seem to be the only ones who don't bother anybody. And maybe the Zorastrians.
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On the same note, I have no problem with christianity. I only take exception when its followers:

Indoctrinate children
Try and convert/annoy me
Pass laws to enforce their doctrine upon me
Start wars
Get into government and rely on prayer rather than reason
Slander and disrupt science
Use tax-exempt status

Did I miss any?
And the reverse:

Indoctrinate children in relativism, socialism and decadence.

Try to convert/annoy me.

Pass laws to enforce their doctrine upon me

Wars?. Who are you kidding?.

Get into government and rely on decadence rather than reason

Slander and disrupt religion.

Use tax exempt status to support liberalism.
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Geeez Rockout, is there any way you can post in a thread without reenterating your political agenda? Ya know recently I have been finding statements in some of your posts I could actually agree with, but you always manage to make sure we get another chance to meditate on your political views. But not once has the light shined upon me and revealed to me the righteousness of your opinions. I have had no out-of-body experiences so that I could travel to your locale and observe the utter devistation the evil liberal empire has wreeked upon your life. I have prayed to be saved from your verbage and the good lord has answered my prayers through direct telepathic communication with the help of the God channel and pastor Ben. For a small $100 donation I was directed to extend unto you a challenge. For two blessed weeks, your challenge is not bring your political views into any thread you post. I have been assured by pastor Ben that if you sway towards temptation that you too may call upon him in your time of need. You know your friends here at the Winamp forum will be pulling for your success. I think I can speak for all of us that we will do our part to keep you on the straight and narrow path to salvation.
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I often disagree with RoH. Probably more often than most. But I'll fight to the death for his right to post any opinion he has in this place (as long as they're within forum rules), any time of the day or night. Just as I would hope anyone else would do for me.

(Not jabbing at you, G, just doing my part for general freedom-of-speech within the rules of the platform at hand.)

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Old 5th January 2007, 04:49   #213
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If you don't like what he says, put him on ignore and stfu.

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Old 5th January 2007, 04:56   #214
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I often disagree with RoH. Probably more often than most. But I'll fight to the death for his right to post any opinion he has in this place (as long as they're within forum rules), any time of the day or night. Just as I would hope anyone else would do for me.

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Geeez Rockout, is there any way you can post in a thread without reenterating your political agenda?
I respond to political posts. I'm sorry if my opinion isn't yours. You'll notice I don't start these posts. Mainly I respond to Bush bashing and religion bashing.

I did notice that a Jesus oriented post was locked. Atheists posting their belief aren't.

If you don't want political or religious discussions in your forum, don't allow them.

Or is this forum only for expressing liberal, atheist viewpoints?.
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Old 5th January 2007, 05:25   #216
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LOl I agree.. never understood why when we have the freedom that we argue or discuss about it..the freedom itself..

then point for point.. all of the psychological reasoning and connections are made while everyone involved relies on making one point that outweighs or will out do the..

"WHO'S THE BETTER PERSON"

"WHO WANTS TO TAKE PART IN THE BATTLE OF WHITS"

We all create our lives how we want them, the people and ideas that we believe and onto..therefore simply rid yourselves of whatever it is, or whoever it is within the limits of discriminatory law..Keep your perspectives to yourself and let other people breath...

And yes both sides do get involved on such a level regardless of the reiterations of one individual or another..or beliefs and they do effect our world...

And its injustice on both sides..to all walks of life..regardless of the arguing viewpoint from either..

ATROCITY OF OUR LIVES

...give us freedom so we can destroy it...

..respect us so we can ^%$# down your throat..

..We are about a GOD of love..but we teach hatred..

..We want our freedom from religion but we try to take it away from others..

..We want to be happy yet we sit here with our anger and our unhappiness in debate while we complain about the whole thing..

..We claim that we believe in GOD but follow the teachings of those perspectives from the mouth/mind of another man or woman...


..You can beat your children into submission and make them act the way you think they should but it only makes them hate you and start the cyclic circle from sin to forgiveness..

..You give them freedom to be free from it all they wind up believing the game because they have never had to deal with matters of the kind and are convinced by the conniving that its the truth..

Its all wrong..My personal views are for neither..an atheist is snot welcome in my life just like the baptist and Jehovah's witnesses are not..In fact if you have a theory and waste your life on it instead of making something better from what we have with the knowledge you gain then you aren't welcome.. force an idea on someone and you have broken the rules.. realize what is within your grasp what is yours to change and what is not..


i was called a reverse bigot in defense from a Christian who did not grasp the ideal at all.. someone caught up defending it.. i was also a victim of an atheist who did not believe in GOD and it served his purpose to do whatever he decided was the best thing for the situation including murder.

Monks used to kill people in the name of GOD drilling holes in peoples heads who were ill claiming it was the demon inside that needed to be let out.. I have been literally chased around by antagonizing Jehovah's Witnesses claiming they have dispelled the truth on modern day religions and they have the only one true god..In turn using the same reason and tactics as the rest of the 200,000 denominations on this fucking planet, who all lay claim to the same thing..we go to a country while we say that GOD is with us and may god save our souls to kill others and destroy their lives. Why because we actually don't believe in GOD and it is a set societal structure of belief to keep us all under control, or within a certain frame of mind, or a point of justification the same...

there were crusades where millions died to say I rule I believe in GOD..'My ARMY PENIS is Bigger than yourns'..Who has the bigger belief.. Who is going to buy into your campaign, and why to simply survive.. or because they really believe..

We have Satanic Churches who claim that Christmas should not be a national holiday and why because they were revolted against when they opened their first public church in New York? Why because they have all sat around and listened to the ongoing tiring crap generation after generation..

Bring it up to the next level at least for the rest of us and yourselves no matter what side if you believe then you shoudl do one thing.. find that place that works for you and stay there with it..

trying to rework someones mind to be like yours which can be a step backwards or forwards is not how yo make something better for it and you do not go to heaven for saving souls and bringing them to GOD ( the same ideal behind a human sacrifice ).. Where does it stop ..

WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY AND THE IDEALS THAT IT WA BASED ON REGARDLESS OF A ONE_LINER THAT PEOPLE CLAIM HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE IDEAL WHILE EVERY ASPECT OF IT IS BEING DESTROYED WHILE ITS IS COVERED BY THE WHOLE FACADE.. THE WOLF IS SHEEP"S CLOTHING..

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That's a very intriguing idea. Usually, people look within the sheep's clothing for the wolf, but never do they look directly at the sheep's clothing in search of a polymorphed wolf.

So, with that metaphor, are you saying that belief in God is just athiesm in another form?








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Old 5th January 2007, 07:03   #218
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People seem to forget.

What Atheism is today = What Christianity was 2000 years ago.

They were the renegade, bad-assed mother fuckers. Hated and mistrusted en masse.
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Old 5th January 2007, 07:31   #219
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Old 5th January 2007, 07:43   #220
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My good friend says he'd be 13-19. Even before that, in Malachi (number 1), there existed a spark of Christianity.

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No I don't think you get the analogy at all...

You see its not looking and the sheep for proverbial wolf and this why I hate metaphor and saying .. that are directed at saying something direct but actually are not saying it directly...

What I am saying is that it is all the same thing...

and no its not atheism in another form and the problem continues with the line of thought..

I know you have to be completely capable of understanding words then you will try to open the trap to a long lengthy discussion in which the thread will continue for the next three years for you to use every tactic available in debate and every point you were taught to prove whatever side you may be on.

Ignorant bickering..meanwhile your actual lives and the mental crime you commit on others around you make you the demon within itself which..in turn destroys people inner peace and lives.. not a mystical beast of Satanic proportions..You then turn from the subject trying to disassociate the matter with something else..or some other point.. a place of almost Alzheimer-ish and ADHD levels..

and one other point speak of having to believe in something.. no you don't...The only thing you have to do is be aware of what you are actually doing... ( Where the Christian claims your going to Hell as should repent or ask for forgiveness ) ...Its Narcissism at best in an attempt at a mind war .... Its becomes cyclic.. like the belief in a Santa Claus...You observe and become a master of your environment and learn how to function within it, and yes the human mind is capable of this process contrary to the evidence people exhibit otherwise.. I see it used as the minds way out and a point of failure ... repetitively ...

Instead of adjusting and persevering to be a better person you simply.. just say oh well I can pray be forgiven.. I don't actually have to go beyond what i am because I have GOD, you are as walk as someone who stops short of finding a belief and realizing it doesn't matter for all of the points that all of these people try to make and just say I am an Atheist.. I don't have to feel bad for anything I do or have done. I can do whatever i have to do to survive and there is not any difference otherwise..

There simply is no infrastructure in teaching or belief that is as true or as powerful as people being truly happen and without the emotional instability and lack of reasoning put into place as something that falls short or goes way too far..


You know maybe if I play air-headed enough and act and pretend to be dumb enough I can get into heaven too.. maybe I can fool someone up THERE, maybe I will be rewarded by someone DOWN THERE for creat8ing as much hell as possible while I am alive...

Maybe just maybe I will turn to Satan because of GOD and to God because of Satan...

Maybe I can get away with it all.. though I know inside but none of you do..

maybe I can refuse to listen and maintain that ignorance..

What a trend to spark to ruin our actual social structure and try to say it is a Demonic spirit that will simply feed your cause...

The point I make is mainly about the ******d development and actions that we all choose for ourselves.. Who we really are inside..What measure of the pointlessness in arguing is it.. that will make you realize what actually is wrong..

I am leaving the thread alone from here on out .. its does absolutely no good to discuss something with anyone who does try to understand it...


"im RIGHT"

"IIII'm Right"

"MAnnnn.. its says right here.."

BLAH.. BLAH BLAH.. until you all die and become worm-food and you never actually live your lives and forcedly ruin those around you with the inability to move to the next level of reasoning and observation about the demographical structure of society and as its whole basis and means to achieve more and have a better means to survive with a better life.. instead you get distracted from the main goal and caught up in a fight that keeps you in limbo..stops you and halts the thought and development of such which allow you to open your minds and lift a weight off your chest..literally.. by dumping the uselessness of the whole ideal either way..ridding yourself of the question or matter in every way, not letting anyone enter into that area of your life to change it.. no matter what they say and what you say nobody can help someone think.. period.. thats why this whole things is useless.. you can't break the chains that truly hold you instead you are picking at the links instead of the lock...
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Could you boil that down to something that makes sense?
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heath28m you say "Maybe just maybe I will turn to Satan because of GOD and to God because of Satan..."

Ever occur to you that god and satan could actually be one and the same?

And noting on what you guys were saying previously about freedom of speech, do you think we actually have freedom within the country? Or is it just to an extent governed by rules??

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Ever occur to you that god and satan could actually be one and the same?
If God made man in his own image, then yes! Yes he is.
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We don't have true freedom of speech in this country. If you speak out for the Iraqi people, the right blasts you. If you speak out for the Palestinian people (a large percentage which live in refugee camps/instead of their homes now occupied by someone else), you are branded an "antisemite" by the right and the left.

If you are person with any prominent position in government or a corporation, you have to keep your mouth shut, or suffer the consequences.

The average person like me can get away with it, but many people because of their positions in the corporate or world of government have to go alone with the boneheads.

Everyone deserves human rights, and that includes the middle east, Africa, Asian and the rest of the world. Somehow some people see fit to impose their style of democracy at the end of a gun barrel.

Accept our democracy or DIE!
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Undertand the concept of "rights". If you speak out on something and people berate you, that's not a lack of rights. It's being berated for an opinion.

A lack of rights means you're imprisoned, tortured or killed for acting freely.

"They put me down if I speak my peace, so there's really no right of free speech" is just whining. Be strong and say it a bit louder. Being insulted for a position isn't a lack of rights, it's an invitation for you to have more resolve.

If you feel no physical pain, and remain alive and unimprisoned, then you were protected by a right.

If social oppression stops you, then you need to be a stronger person.

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Showing a nipple now and then goes along way in quelling the oppression.
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I exercise my free nipple rights every day.

When one is pinched, I get up and stand more strongly.

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Mine only do that on cold days.

In the summer my nipples are liberals. Both of them. Although the left one more than the right.

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