Old 20th March 2008, 10:33   #1
MidnightViper88
Made In The USA
(Forum King)
 
MidnightViper88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The 502
Posts: 9,100
Send a message via AIM to MidnightViper88 Send a message via Yahoo to MidnightViper88
What weighs a million pounds?

I want a large-scale reference of weight...I want to know what two to three million pounds weighs, since I can't even imagine how much that is, but I don't even know what would weigh a million pounds or even a half-million pounds...

Why? Because I want to know how the hell the Nazis could have possibly built a super-heavy tank like the P 1000 or the P 1500 and even remotly expect such a behemoth to roll out onto the battlefield...

"I just want to lie in my own crusty filth, eating rancid egg sandwiches, until some unfortunate paramedic has to blow down my door to find my bloated and pasty corpse wedged between the nightstand and mattress stained with Bengay and Robitussin DM." - Greg Gutfeld on sex and seniors
"Syphilis does not stay in Vegas. Debt collectors do not stay in Vegas. Dead hookers stay in Vegas, but the guilt stays with you forever." - Bill Schultz
MidnightViper88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 10:53   #2
Mr Jones
Nothing to say...
 
Mr Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 23,090
Weight to size is not relevant.

You could have a million pounds of feathers and it'd still weigh the same as a million pounds of gold, the space that it occupies however would be vastly different, but the net weight result would be exactly the same.
Mr Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 12:22   #3
LeadFoot
Senior Member
 
LeadFoot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 192
How about 4,474,574 lbs? That the listed weight of the Space shuttle. The Saturn-V was a hefty 6,699,000 lbs. Considering they both went into space, that seem pretty amazing.

The M1 Abrams is really light (comparatively speaking) at about 70 tons, and can be carried (one at a time) in a C-5 Galaxy.

But a tank that would have been 15 times the mass of a M1? Holy Crap!
LeadFoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 12:28   #4
sgtfuzzbubble011
 
sgtfuzzbubble011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 60,838
Three of these weigh about 1,140,000 pounds altogether.
sgtfuzzbubble011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 12:41   #5
Widdykats
The Forum Slut
 
Widdykats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: A place that invites a post pumping whore from NY
Posts: 15,789
Or my deep dish Lasagna
Widdykats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 12:55   #6
k_rock923
\m/
(Forum King)
 
k_rock923's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: /bin/bash
Posts: 7,850
Send a message via AIM to k_rock923
Mmmm. Lasagna. Mail some this way the next time you make it.



Well, according to this site, the maximum weight of an 18 wheeler is 80 000 pounds.

So, 1 000 000 pounds is 12.5 max-weight 18-wheelers.

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
k_rock923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 13:25   #7
P$ycHo™
Flakmonkey!
 
P$ycHo™'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DM-Campgrounds
Posts: 1,870
i wonder what engine you need to make that weight move...
P$ycHo™ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 14:03   #8
SSJ4 Gogitta
Followed by Gnomes
(Forum King)
 
SSJ4 Gogitta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: West Virginia Googolplex: 10^10¹°° FB:/SSJ4.DominusDeus DeviantArt: DominusDeus XboX GT: A Wild Meeseeks Playstation 4: DominusDeus
Posts: 7,161
Send a message via AIM to SSJ4 Gogitta
$1,814,369.48 in modern (post 1982) Lincoln cents would weigh exactly 1,000,000 pounds.

Or about $19,999,664 in quarters.


Also, 1 pound of gold (since it's measured in TROY) weighs 0.8228570952 normal pounds.

A normal ton of feathers would weigh 2000 pounds, whereas 2000 troy pounds of gold would weigh 1645.71419 pounds.

In this case, a ton of feathers weighs more than a ton of gold.

SSJ4 Gogitta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 15:08   #9
jheriko
Forum King
 
jheriko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: a twist in the fabric of space
Posts: 2,150
Send a message via ICQ to jheriko
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr Jones
Weight to size is not relevant.

You could have a million pounds of feathers and it'd still weigh the same as a million pounds of gold, the space that it occupies however would be vastly different, but the net weight result would be exactly the same.
This is a common misconception, although the weight is the same, the density is very relevant. A lead ball falls faster than feathers because it is more dense and offers less surface area to air resistance. Likewise, in the application of a tank, the size matters, and the structure. It would have to distribute the weight effectively without putting too much pressure on anyone point and the more dense it becomes the harder it would be to do this. For example the treads would need to become wider and longer etc... to ensure they are not destroyed under the weight.

For something that weighs 2-3 million pounds you are looking at a small battleship of some kind. Although naval tonnage does not correspond with weight, but rather the volume which the ship encloses, it is still a reasonable approximation. For comparison USS Enterprise displaces on the order of 100,000 tons of water.

EDIT: (2-3 million pounds is conveniently ~1000 metric tons)

-- Jheriko

'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

Last edited by jheriko; 20th March 2008 at 15:35.
jheriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 16:37   #10
k_rock923
\m/
(Forum King)
 
k_rock923's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: /bin/bash
Posts: 7,850
Send a message via AIM to k_rock923
You didn't really say anything though. Are you disagreeing with Mr Jones that a million pounds of feathers and a million pounds of gold weigh the same?

There is no common misconception at all. They do in fact, both weigh one million pounds.

You added some information, though for a specific case in which it matters. But even that's not entirely true.

It's all air resistance. If you drop a paper thin sheet of lead (ignoring whether it is actually that malleable) and a bowling ball, will the very subject to air resistance piece of lead still fall faster because it is more dense?

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
k_rock923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 16:50   #11
SSJ4 Gogitta
Followed by Gnomes
(Forum King)
 
SSJ4 Gogitta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: West Virginia Googolplex: 10^10¹°° FB:/SSJ4.DominusDeus DeviantArt: DominusDeus XboX GT: A Wild Meeseeks Playstation 4: DominusDeus
Posts: 7,161
Send a message via AIM to SSJ4 Gogitta
Quote:
Originally posted by k_rock923
(ignoring whether it is actually that malleable)
http://www.atnuke.com/nuclear/lead/leadfoil.html

http://www.tv.com/mythbusters/lead-balloon!/episode/1129062/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;1

SSJ4 Gogitta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:02   #12
ShyShy
Amazon Bush Woman
Forum Queen
 
ShyShy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: The Sticks, Queensland
Posts: 8,067
It's the nerd war of words!!!!
ShyShy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:36   #13
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
Quote:
You didn't really say anything though. Are you disagreeing with Mr Jones that a million pounds of feathers and a million pounds of gold weigh the same?

There is no common misconception at all. They do in fact, both weigh one million pounds.
They both weigh a million pounds, but the feathers weigh more due to their being measured in avoirdupois pounds vs troy, as SSJ4 mentioned.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:42   #14
k_rock923
\m/
(Forum King)
 
k_rock923's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: /bin/bash
Posts: 7,850
Send a message via AIM to k_rock923
You're assuming that when I say pound, I mean the common for each. I mean avoirdupois for both.

Sheesh. This is ridiculous.

If I say one million grams instead of pounds, are you going to say 'well, it's not really the same' for that, too or are you just going to admit that maybe there is a single point in a single post that you can't find something wrong with?

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
k_rock923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:45   #15
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
If you want to be scientific about it, don't use imperial measurements. Use kilograms.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:45   #16
k_rock923
\m/
(Forum King)
 
k_rock923's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: /bin/bash
Posts: 7,850
Send a message via AIM to k_rock923
read my edit

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
k_rock923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:48   #17
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
You asked if he disagreed with an obviously flawed statement. I simply reiterated the reason why the statement is flawed because it is imprecise.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:52   #18
k_rock923
\m/
(Forum King)
 
k_rock923's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: /bin/bash
Posts: 7,850
Send a message via AIM to k_rock923
Your assumption was flawed. You assumed that both Jones and I were unaware of measurement systems.

We could go back and forth on this all night and this would never be settled. It's counterproductive, so I'm letting it go.

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
k_rock923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 22:58   #19
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
Assumptions are necessary for effective communication. My assumption was anything but flawed, because it defaulted to the commonly accepted terms of measurement for both substances. So unless you spell out that you're measuring something abnormally, I'm going to assume you're measuring it normally, which in this instance creates an inequity in equivalent mass.


It would be the same if you told me a ship going 30 is doing the same rate of speed as a car doing 30; the ship is actually going faster because ships' speeds are typically measured in nautical miles per hour, not standard miles.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2008, 23:18   #20
jheriko
Forum King
 
jheriko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: a twist in the fabric of space
Posts: 2,150
Send a message via ICQ to jheriko
Quote:
Originally posted by k_rock923
You didn't really say anything though. Are you disagreeing with Mr Jones that a million pounds of feathers and a million pounds of gold weigh the same?

There is no common misconception at all. They do in fact, both weigh one million pounds.

You added some information, though for a specific case in which it matters. But even that's not entirely true.

It's all air resistance. If you drop a paper thin sheet of lead (ignoring whether it is actually that malleable) and a bowling ball, will the very subject to air resistance piece of lead still fall faster because it is more dense?
I just meant that because a pound of feathers and a pound of gold weigh the same... doesn't make a 1000-ton tank any easier to build

even though that is true, it isn't a useful example for much beyond demonstrating that gravity is a constant acceleration effect

i prolly worded what i meant badly.

-- Jheriko

'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'
jheriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd March 2008, 07:38   #21
Avion
Major Dude
 
Avion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 870
What weighs a million pounds?

my penis? Lol roflm@#$@%fds but no really ._. >_>

Avion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd March 2008, 10:23   #22
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
KANEDA!!!

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd March 2008, 13:38   #23
Too-DAMN-Much
The Big Bad Boots
(Forum King)
 
Too-DAMN-Much's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: 420 Big Buds Way
Posts: 3,964
Send a message via Yahoo to Too-DAMN-Much
i'm just guessing here, but i'm pretty sure some trains weigh over that amount, i've been stuck waiting for trains that went on for 25 minutes about.

it's not really a question of what would be able to pull that pull much weight as it is how could the momentum be used most effeciently once attained so as to avoid having to make the thing weigh another million pounds for fuel.

GG - assuming is almost always a bad practice as it's likely to be incorrect more often than not and makes both parties involved look like an ass.

I hate everyone, so you don't have to.
Too-DAMN-Much is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd March 2008, 14:10   #24
Rocker
Hiding in plain sight (mod)
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 9,910
blah blah blah physics.
Rocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd March 2008, 14:36   #25
cooky560
Major Dude
 
cooky560's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Around
Posts: 1,181
Send a message via MSN to cooky560 Send a message via Yahoo to cooky560 Send a message via Skype™ to cooky560
X, where X has a weight of 1million pounds

Cooky560 - Making Pointless Posts since 8/12/ 2002

WWW.
Victory Requires no explanation, defeat allows none.
All that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing
cooky560 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 03:05   #26
ryan
not fucked, not quite.
(Forum King)
 
ryan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tn
Posts: 8,798
Send a message via AIM to ryan
Quote:
Originally posted by Rocker
blah blah blah epenis.
ryan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 06:38   #27
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
Quote:
GG - assuming is almost always a bad practice as it's likely to be incorrect more often than not and makes both parties involved look like an ass.
I'm sorry, I can't understand a single word you're saying because you didn't specify what language you're posting in.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 06:48   #28
Psythik
Got his CT back
and didn't pay $10
(Forum King)
 
Psythik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 3,583
*enters topic a little too late*

This is a sig of some nature.
Psythik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 16:12   #29
Too-DAMN-Much
The Big Bad Boots
(Forum King)
 
Too-DAMN-Much's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: 420 Big Buds Way
Posts: 3,964
Send a message via Yahoo to Too-DAMN-Much
it's called english for those who aren't retarded.

I hate everyone, so you don't have to.
Too-DAMN-Much is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 19:55   #30
sgtfuzzbubble011
 
sgtfuzzbubble011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 60,838
Wtf happened to this thread while I was gone for a few days? Damn.
sgtfuzzbubble011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2008, 21:15   #31
Vil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: (-1)^(1/2)
Posts: 436
That's what you get for leaving sgt.

present day present time
Vil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 03:29   #32
Avion
Major Dude
 
Avion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 870
Quote:
Originally posted by Vil
That's what you get for leaving sgt.
yeah I blame it on him and any facial stubble he has.
Avion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 03:56   #33
ryan
not fucked, not quite.
(Forum King)
 
ryan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tn
Posts: 8,798
Send a message via AIM to ryan
Quote:
Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
Wtf happened to this thread while I was gone for a few days? Damn.
Too much e-penis, not enough real shit.
ryan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 04:04   #34
MidnightViper88
Made In The USA
(Forum King)
 
MidnightViper88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The 502
Posts: 9,100
Send a message via AIM to MidnightViper88 Send a message via Yahoo to MidnightViper88
Quote:
Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
Wtf happened to this thread while I was gone for a few days? Damn.
A discussion something about Nazi land cruisers turned to something about a penis of some sort...I'm not sure myself...

"I just want to lie in my own crusty filth, eating rancid egg sandwiches, until some unfortunate paramedic has to blow down my door to find my bloated and pasty corpse wedged between the nightstand and mattress stained with Bengay and Robitussin DM." - Greg Gutfeld on sex and seniors
"Syphilis does not stay in Vegas. Debt collectors do not stay in Vegas. Dead hookers stay in Vegas, but the guilt stays with you forever." - Bill Schultz
MidnightViper88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 11:00   #35
sgtfuzzbubble011
 
sgtfuzzbubble011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 60,838
* sgtfuzzbubble99 drops a million pounds worth of high-explosive ordnance on this thread
sgtfuzzbubble011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 17:04   #36
Avion
Major Dude
 
Avion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 870
Quote:
Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
* sgtfuzzbubble99 drops a million pounds worth of high-explosive ordnance on this thread
I think that would destroy an entire city and more
Avion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 22:36   #37
Vil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: (-1)^(1/2)
Posts: 436
You assume that it explodes Avlon.

present day present time
Vil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2008, 23:21   #38
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
Quote:
Originally posted by Avion
I think that would destroy an entire city and more
Nah, that's only a yield of 500 tons. To destroy a whole city, you'd need something with a nominal yield of at least 10 kilotons (10,000 tons).

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th March 2008, 12:09   #39
sgtfuzzbubble011
 
sgtfuzzbubble011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 60,838
A million pounds of HE ordnance would level about ten or twelve city blocks. Rawr.
sgtfuzzbubble011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th March 2008, 12:50   #40
General Geoff
Major Dude
 
General Geoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,254
Send a message via ICQ to General Geoff Send a message via AIM to General Geoff
Yeah but the explosives themselves would be roughly the size of a city block.

General Geoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Go Back   Winamp & Shoutcast Forums > Community Center > General Discussions

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump