Old 25th January 2008, 15:35   #1
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Removing APE tag from mp3 file(s)

Hi, I hope this is the right place to post this general mp3 question. I just received a ripped album. When looking at the file info in Winamp, I'm seeing an APEv2 tag which none of my other mp3 files has. In fact, I would prefer that gone, but have no idea how to. I googled around for a while but to no avail. Can anyone help me getting rid of those APE tags? Is there a special tool for that, maybe? Or any other way to work around this? Thank you in advance!

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Old 25th January 2008, 17:31   #2
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Isn't APE a filetype in and of itself, ie its not an MP3 file you have there, but an APE file?

The file extention on the files is .mp3 not .ape I assume?

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Old 25th January 2008, 18:44   #3
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Thank you for the response! I've also been familiar with the file extension .ape but in this case it appears to be some special was of tagging a mp3 file. I made a screen shot of how it looks.



At best I'd like the whole register card of APEv2 gone. And yes, the file extension is indeed .mp3 (as you will also see with the screen shot). Unchecking the "Include APEv2 tag in file" option doesn't solve the problem, unfortunately.

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Old 25th January 2008, 22:03   #4
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It's just another tag format that can be inside of MP3 that Winamp never supported until NOW. So, they could have always been there. They do no harm, just more tag data.

If it really bugs ya, a tool like:
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
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Old 25th January 2008, 23:30   #5
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Hum, not heard about this before. Why did they choose ape I wonder?

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Old 25th January 2008, 23:41   #6
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I think, at the time, it was a way of passing replaygain values, which you couldn't do with IDv3 then.

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Old 25th January 2008, 23:47   #7
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Also ID3v1 is incredibly limiting, and ID3v2 is a terrible standard with multiple incompatible sub-versions and little to no thought apparently put into its design.

For what it's worth, foobar2000 would add APE tags in place of ID3v2 tags for quite a long while, simply because ID3v2 is such a terrible mess. I still have to manually convert 2.4 tags to 2.3 so that my MP3 player will read them.

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Peter / Foobar2K first did it because ID3v2 sucks form a developer standpoint. And APE tags (originally from Monmky's Audio and Musepack) was added. It has become a little popular, though I think just Winamp and Foobar support its now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APE_tag

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Old 26th January 2008, 04:38   #9
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So there's no way to eliminate it?

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Old 26th January 2008, 04:59   #10
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Quote:
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If it really bugs ya, a tool like:
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
Can strip them

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Old 26th January 2008, 05:03   #11
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Nah, it doesn't. I'm using mpt3tag but it can't help.

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Old 26th January 2008, 05:04   #12
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Old 26th January 2008, 07:30   #13
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Open the preferences, set it to read ID3v1, v2 and APE, set it to write ID3v1, ID3v2 and delete APE. Load all the files and just save them.

But for support for the program, I suggest the program's site.

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Old 26th January 2008, 13:36   #14
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ID3 is a god awful mess of a standard. It's really pretty pathetic. I wrote a parser for them as a school project and just about every field needed its own subparser.

APE tags are much easier to work with.

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Old 27th January 2008, 00:50   #15
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Thanks to Sawg for the recommendation, but the problem is that this doesn't work either. I wasn't sure whether it can be done using Winamp in some way, or if some other program has to be used. All I can do is to delete the content of the APE tag but not the register card itself. Therefore I assumed it a rather general mp3 problem (as opposed to a 'problem' related to to Winamp).

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Old 27th January 2008, 11:13   #16
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It's not a "problem" though. it it breaking something for you?

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Old 27th January 2008, 12:28   #17
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Yeah, I'm completely devastated

Nah, I was just wondering why I can't put away with it. If there's no solution, there's no solution. Life will go on (I guess).

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Old 27th January 2008, 12:32   #18
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Old 27th January 2008, 17:22   #19
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How would it work with that? Do you know? Just open any of the files with such an editor, and then...?

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Old 27th January 2008, 17:55   #20
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Look at the specs. . .

APE TAGS start with the following hex values:

41 50 45 54 41 47 58

Then a 32 bit version ID section.

Then the size of the tag in bytes, represent as 32 bits (I'm assuming that this is unsigned).

The size does not include the header, but does include everything else.

So, write down that number, delete the header and then that many more bytes.

But, you might not ( and I probably wouldn't be bothered with it if it were me) want to do this because there is no guarantee in the specification that tags need to have a header if the tag is at the end of the file. It would have a footer in that case and I guess the size in that case is the tag minus the size of the footer?

It looks like the footer at the end of a tag at the end of the file is the same as the header at the beginning.

Anyone know if APE tags can have both a header and a footer??

Also note that I was looking at the specs for APEv2. APEv1 tags have no header.

Most likely, the tag is at the end of the file, so see if the size works out that way.

That post wasn't entirely clear, but I'm writing this up on a break from course reading.

Here's the link to the specs I was using: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index...._specification

Anyone know if HA is the site for APE specs or are they just there as reference?

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Old 27th January 2008, 20:26   #21
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1. Download Tag&Rename. You DON'T have to buy it, because for this one problem the 30-day free trial version will work just fine for you. (There are no functional limits in the trial, it's just limited to 30 days and has a nag screen when you open it.)

2. Open Tag&Rename and navigate to the folder containing the MP3 files that are devastating you. ()

3. There may be a way for T&R to "surgically" remove the APE tags and leave the other tag formats alone, but even worst case scenario, there is a button or menu option to remove ALL tags, after which you can reapply the desired ID3 tags with T&R or the tag editor of your choice. Or you can simply edit the ID3 tags in the MP3 files right there in Windows.

I don't have Tag&Rename installed at the moment, so I can't tell you where the "delete all tags" function is located. But it's there, on a toolbar and/or as a menu item.

There may be a "cleaner" way to do what you want, but clean or not, this way will work.

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Old 27th January 2008, 21:24   #23
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Awww, you guys are makin' fun outa me Well, thanks to k_rock but for now I think I'll try the tag&rename program. Sounds much easier to me.

Well, I'm just trying it out, but I don't see a possibility to either delete the APE tags nor all tags (which I wouldn't mind at all).

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Old 3rd March 2008, 06:14   #24
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That program suggested before,
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html
DOES remove the APE tag from MP3 files, maybe you are not using it properly, or the tags you have aren't APR tags.

You can also manual remove them in Winamp if you want, double click the title in the winamp player window and the file details will appear, the last tab is the APE tag, just uncheck the box, and 'bang' the tag is gone.
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Old 3rd March 2008, 07:13   #25
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Unchecking the "Include APEv2 tag in file" option doesn't solve the problem, unfortunately.
No idea how I can make your link visible (and now idea why it's hidden).

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Quote:
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No idea how I can make your link visible
Quoting the post in question makes the link visible. It's there, just not shown in the original post.

Quote:
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(and now idea why it's hidden).
Because links in the post of any new member are not shown, all for the purpose of reducing the instance of spam links we get on this board from "spambot" accounts. I don't how long this "probationary period" lasts - probably for a month or so, I would think.

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Old 3rd March 2008, 23:20   #27
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Again, I AM USING MP3TAG ALREADY but it doesn't help here at all. Thanks, anyway

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mp3 tags... still waiting for someone to make a decent one. all it needs is generic text fields of arbitrary length and some standards to be set...

ape is a new one on me though... no doubt equally as crap as all the others...

annoying stuff anyway...

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Old 16th September 2008, 00:55   #35
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not sure if anyone's mentioned this but get Tag - it does exactly what you're asking - to physically remove Apev2 tags. They bothered me too since it was a lot of useless info for my Winamp.

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...and the tag is still there

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Go here and download TAG

synthetic-soul.co.uk/files

it's a cmd based little program, just put your MP3s into the TAG folder, and at the prompt type:

tag --remove *.mp3

and it will clear everything - meaning - you ID3V1 and 2 will be cleaned out, however the APEv2 tag will be really removed, as in physically, as in they aren't there anymore.

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TagScanner can remove APE tags. At least, that's what I used when I had to.
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I really can't understand why you would want to delete it though. As others have indicated, it is more or less the best tag available to use with MP3.
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