Old 17th November 2008, 20:29   #1
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Why CDs still?

Why doesn't the music industry move from outdated CDs to putting music on SD cards instead? They hold so much more...imagine the size of a car stereo with just an SD slot.

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Old 17th November 2008, 20:48   #2
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That all physical formats are outdated.
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Old 17th November 2008, 21:00   #3
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MP3s sound like crap with some music. I do prefer having CDs over MP3s. I do like the portability of MP3s for when I'm not at home.

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Old 18th November 2008, 06:01   #4
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A few reasons I can think of:

what gaekwad2 said.

SD cards are more expensive to manufacture.

(Incredibly) Easy to lose.

A band is not going to be able to fill a 2 gig card with music so whats the point in manufacturing them as an album?

What Gaekwad2 said.

Having an exclusive physical format is beneficial to record companies.

To convert to yet another pysical format after records, 8 tracks, cassette tapes, and then CDs when all are redily available from the internet would cost record companies too much money, especially when their numbers are crashing around their ears.

In other words,

What Gaekwad2 said.

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Old 18th November 2008, 22:02   #7
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As long as DJs refuse to abandon the physical formats, they will never be truly dead. Right now, many serious gigs would laugh a digital DJ right out of the club.

Please in mind that I said "as long as DJs ... never be truly dead".

Truly dead does not mean that they will still be profitable. Many smaller labels out there still turn out vinyl at an amazing loss to the label.
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Old 19th November 2008, 11:39   #8
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i thouhgt many djs are using time coded vinyls + wave files nowadays.
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Old 19th November 2008, 13:52   #9
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A fair number do use either time coded vinyl or time coded cds in the decks and hide the laptop somewhere. However, at least as it seems to me, a larger number are still carting around the vinyl and/or cds.
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I would go for the SD cards, and they wouldn't have to be 2-gig - they could be mass produced at around 1 to hold a reasonable album's worth of music. But really, G2 is right, physical media is more or less dead, especially ROM (read-only memory) media.

Imagine showing off your collection to someone - a tiny little shelf with 400 SD cards. "Check my shit out, man!"

If the companies were to move to smaller media, USB sticks would probably be more the way to go - bigger, but more universal.

Imagine trying to unfold the insert to read the lyrics, or worse yet, trying to fold it back up... Of course a simple text document would do just as well.

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i prefer a tiny little external HDD over a shelf with 400 SD cards :P

changing storage media on album change sux
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Old 21st November 2008, 22:20   #12
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Buying a CD should COME with digital rights to the song.
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Old 22nd November 2008, 04:23   #14
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Re: Why CDs still?

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Why doesn't the music industry move from outdated CDs to putting music on SD cards instead?
http://www.slotmusic.org/

MicroSD cards with 320kbps MP3s on them

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Old 22nd November 2008, 11:03   #15
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If the card is 1 gig, why the hell do they have to use mp3?

Granted 320 is high, but I'd rather see wav of flac or something else that is of original CD quality or better.

I'm still upset that DVD quality sound isn't common yet for non-video audio. Why can't the industry begin to support surround sound? It's been around for at least 2 decades.

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Old 23rd November 2008, 03:06   #16
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Even clearer than when it was recorded.
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Old 23rd November 2008, 22:18   #17
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sort of offtopic kind of :

if bands released music video albums would you buy them?

(clarification) : this would most likely be if it ever happened compilation type video albums except for few bands who release music videos faster than mc donald's shits out chicken nuggest (gorillaz, most notably), but consider it, full album length music video albums, DVDs of music basically, in the case of extremely old music, possibly re-recorded at the artist's discretion.
(full album length as it's used here is 10-14+ songs/videos, as most audio only albums are that long at least)

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Old 23rd November 2008, 22:30   #18
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Kinda like a high quality YouTube... For the bands I really liked, I'd buy them for the sound quality, but would probably leave the monitor off or the video window minimized. Music is something that I like to either listen to while visually I need to do something else, or with the room completely dark, or with visualizations from time to time. I guess I never really liked most music videos I've seen.

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Old 24th November 2008, 11:51   #19
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most times when im listening to music i do it with winamp minimized and while im doing something else or play a game or something so i wont see the video anyways.
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Old 24th November 2008, 17:40   #20
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Back to the original question: Because it is uncompressed music with no DRM (if it conforms to the Redbook standard). How many stories have you already heard about X company turning off their servers?

And check Amazon: you can often get a new/used CD for less than the MP3 of of iTunes. Sounds like a deal to me.
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Old 14th December 2008, 22:48   #21
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Vinyl pwns all formats in terms of sonic experience. Digital is convenient but unsatisfying. It's kind of like comparing a steak meal at a good restaurant to a TV dinner.
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Old 14th December 2008, 23:02   #22
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What people want is the most accurate reproduction possible of performances. This is why they generally buy CDs. (DVD audio -- which could provide higher quality audio -- has never taken off though, my theory is because, you guessed it, DRM.)

Vinyl may give a warm fuzzy feeling with the background noise you get from the technology, but that's not what the average listener wants.
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Old 16th December 2008, 00:17   #23
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Vinyl may give a warm fuzzy feeling with the background noise you get from the technology
No it doesn't give a warm fuzzy feeling, it gives infinitely superior audio. The better your hifi gear is the worse digital formats sound. Granted, on crap gear you will not notice much improvement because the best achievable sound is so poor. But even on half decent gear the gulf between vinyl and CD is massive. Even the most tin eared moron can hear the difference.

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but that's not what the average listener wants.
NS Sherlock? I couldn't gives a stuff what the average brain dead sheep wants. Thankfully vinyl has made a big comeback and there's plenty of new releases, outside of the dance genres, and a lot of audiophile pressings available now.
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Old 16th December 2008, 00:22   #24
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Old 16th December 2008, 02:34   #25
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Nah, the keyword is audiophile (as in, the same people who buy high end power cables also don't understand that analog does not mean infinite resolution).
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@ Cummi B - This argument has been on far too many threads in the past to allow it to resurface again, but I must say, the increase in sound reproduction accuracy from vinyl to CD and other high bitrate digital sound is measurable in many ways (especially when dynamic and frequency ranges are considered). I'll admit, I like vinyl records, but to say that the standard is superior to CD is a non-objective opinion, not measurable fact. A diamond needle hopping through a bumpy (and often dusty) vinyl groove just can't very easily match the capabilities of a laser reading a metal disc. I still miss reel-to-reel. That was some pretty high quality stuff, especially on the fast 7.5"/sec. setting.

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Nah, the keyword is audiophile (as in, the same people who buy high end power cables also don't understand that analog does not mean infinite resolution).
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@ Cummi B - This argument has been on far too many threads in the past to allow it to resurface again
LOL, "I must supress all talk of vinyl"

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but I must say, the increase in sound reproduction accuracy from vinyl to CD and other high bitrate digital sound is measurable in many ways (especially when dynamic and frequency ranges are considered).
Hey, here's a radical leftfield idea: why not try measuring it with your ears?

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A diamond needle hopping through a bumpy (and often dusty) vinyl groove just can't very easily match the capabilities of a laser reading a metal disc.
Hilarious! Because setting up a deck and cleaning the records is a highly complex operation, right.

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I still miss reel-to-reel. That was some pretty high quality stuff, especially on the fast 7.5"/sec. setting.
It's OK when it's just been recorded but it dies fast.
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Old 16th December 2008, 03:12   #29
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If you want to argue about all things audio go to Audiokarma.
Because Winamp has nothing to do with audio, amirite, amirite?
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Because most Winamp users don't use vinyl on a regular basis.

What equipment are you running in your stereo system?

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(I'm guessing the question was directed at CB, but) Personally I use a pretty good pair of Technics players, a Tascam mixer/crossfader, (and a Technics SA-DA8 receiver for when it's plugged in at home), but it still doesn't add up to the cleaner sound I get with a common 192kbps mp3 rip of the same song, even when compared with a human ear, even when played on my rather high-end Infinitys.

But, Winamp doesn't play vinyl. At best it can work with line-in for visualizations, eq, or other plugins. That's one of the reasons that the vinyl vs. digital debate gets old, especially when other past threads have beaten the topic to death. It's understandable that a newer member wouldn't know that since you weren't here for the previous debates, but that's why you were stuck reading our rather negative replies.

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Hey, here's a radical leftfield idea: why not try measuring it with your ears?
Because ears are subjective. (That means you can always convince yourself that vynil is somehow better, notwithstanding objective arguments to the contrary.) It's a lot like reasoning with a religious person who has convinced himself that his a) everything in the bible is fact and b) his interepretation of the bible is always correct.
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yeah, wasn't cummi bare banned?

doesn't that make this ban evasion?
seems like the same idiot too...

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Old 16th December 2008, 22:35   #35
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no ban evasion going on here, at least not on the surface... IPs of users resolve to quite different countries ...

I still miss some aspects of vinyl though ... but alas it is a dying format. More and more labels have begun to give up pressing wax, even in the month since I posted here.

Still won't completely die out though ... not until the CDJs can convince the vinyl folks that the CDJ1000 MK3 really can kick the snot out of the Technics 1210.
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no ban evasion going on here, at least not on the surface... IPs of users resolve to quite different countries ...
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....48#post1739848

Evasion is probably the wrong word though.
(The thing is Cummi Bare's posts were actually quite reasonable so I'm not sure what happened there (you're the one with backstage access ).)
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there are things called proxies.
free ones even.

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There's a simple answer to this, CD's are probably still the best quality format there is; as well as being cheap to manufacture

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Gakewad: thanks for that one. Goes back well before my time, hence the reason I don't know about said user...

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There's a simple answer to this, CD's are probably still the best quality format there is; as well as being cheap to manufacture
There are less-used higher quality wav files out there for download (e.g. NIN - The Slip album), and DVD audio is better, but, as far as I know, always DRM infected. I really wish audio DVDs weren't infected - I might actually start buying music again if the DRM goes away.

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