Free LS7 crate engines

[MidnightViper88]

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[k_rock923]

heh, I wonder how many people have tried to buy it

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Schweet! I'll take a dozen!

[d0rk]

I almost ordered one but its $200 shipping fee and I don't have $200

[ElChevelle]

SHIT!
That's exactly what I want for the Camino!!!

I'm guessing when pricing is announced, it'll be 6-7 g's.

[Smeggle]

This small-block V-8 dreams big, displacing big-block cubic inches at 7.0 Liters (427 cubic inches) and big-block power at 500 hp at 6200 rpm. It also benches 475 lb.-ft. of torque at 4800 rpm.

A cossie 2ltr pulls that much power and they need 7ltrs!

Helping to create its high power and high revving capability are details such as cylinder heads with computer numerical control (CNC) intake and exhaust ports and combustion chambers - which creates ports with surgical accuracy for maximum power production.

Surgical accuracy? So there gonna gas flow the ports then? and scrap 2-4 heads pr block before they get the optimum flow for that particular enginge? like in your dreams

In addition, the intake valves and connecting rods are made out of high-strength lightweight titanium.

cool - em - but are they 'Balanced'? and matched? (Known as 'Blueprinting').

The LS7 engines are assembled by hand at GM Powertrain's new Performance Build Center

So are all engines - even in your mass produced factory - engines are fitted together by hand. yes certain areas can be left over to automation but not that much of it.

really want to buy it now anyone? Load of advertising bum fluff when you look at it in engineering terms

[Atmo]

Originally posted by Smeggle
A cossie 2ltr pulls that much power and they need 7ltrs!

Yeah, and back in the 80's the 1.5 litre turbo F1 engines were develloping 1000hp (and possibly more).

Would you want either engine in your everyday driver though?

[MidnightViper88]

Originally posted by Smeggle
A cossie 2ltr pulls that much power and they need 7ltrs!

•You'll never get as much torque out of a low-displacement engine as opposed to a high-displacement engine even when both engines put out the same horsepower rating
•Because of low-displacement, you'll need to rev the engine really high to reach the peak of it's power band; High-displacement engines can reach their peak power in lower RPMs
•Low-displacement engines with high horsepower (Such as the compared level of 500hp) will need to run on higher octane gas such as 101 or 103 (Race fuel levels) because they run very high compression ratios; High-displacement engines with the same amount of horsepower can run on lower octane fuel (Like 93) because they work less on lower compression ratios
•Either way, is your 2L "Cossie" naturally aspirated like the LS7 engine? Or did you have to force-feed it with a supercharger or a turbocharger to get that kind of power output?

You sure you know much about "engineering"?

[ElChevelle]

Originally posted by Smeggle
really want to buy it now anyone? Load of advertising bum fluff when you look at it in engineering terms

Advertising has nothing to do with why I'm buying one.
My reasons:

• It's a proven perfomer.
• It's a Chevy (like I'm going to put a Peugeot engine in a classic musclecar)
• It's not imported in other words you can't buy it at Walmart.
• It makes the horsepower I need while guzzling liters and liters of fuel that I'm entitled to deprive you of.
• The purr of it's 8 cylinders is enough to make your mother drench her bloomers.

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
•You'll never get as much torque out of a low-displacement engine as opposed to a high-displacement engine even when both engines put out the same horsepower rating
•Because of low-displacement, you'll need to rev the engine really high to reach the peak of it's power band; High-displacement engines can reach their peak power in lower RPMs
•Low-displacement engines with high horsepower (Such as the compared level of 500hp) will need to run on higher octane gas such as 101 or 103 (Race fuel levels) because they run very high compression ratios; High-displacement engines with the same amount of horsepower can run on lower octane fuel (Like 93) because they work less on lower compression ratios
•Either way, is your 2L "Cossie" naturally aspirated like the LS7 engine? Or did you have to force-feed it with a supercharger or a turbocharger to get that kind of power output?

You sure you know much about "engineering"?

Whilst yes I agree the cosworth engine was charged via garrat t6 turbos (later to be changed to the garret t10 in later models) The 500 was still a reasonably standard block cosworth engine. Drop the turbos though and switch the injection for normal aspiration, at the same time sending the engine to some where like 'Osselli' engineering and have the whole lot Blueprinted and Balanced, (As your 'High Displacement' engine is) and you will be very close to equaling bhp output. Whilst the torque output may be lower, when you take in the power to weight ratio, it should be totally feasable to compete against that power block.

Once you re-add the injection and charging, and chip it via German chip suppliers (They are the best btw), then your gonna cane the power output of your big block with little problem.

Of course you could then go spend 20-30k bucks on your big block and add injection/charging to achieve the same.

I've driven both small and high displacement engines, charged, normal aspiration, injection injection/charged, normal aspiration/charged (And you can throw a nitro chrged cossie escort in there if you want - fuck was that thing quick!) and to date I'd have to say you can keep your big gas guzzlers.
For responce, fuel efficiency, overall reliability/responce of the vehicle, handling I'll take the low displacement anyday.

Course then if you want to be competitive (Or should I say really competitive), We could allways pit your truck against me in a 6r4 metro.

Reckon that could be an interesting and entertaining time and oh yeah btw thats making it equal - the 6r4 has a v8 as standard....

But fuck is that power to weight ratio gonna stomp all over your truck lol

Then I could always go see 'DAF' trucks. They can pull horse power out of small displacement engines like you wouldn't believe. They have an inline 3 ltr straight 6(Charged) that they use to pull there 40 tonners. There v8 models (at a lower displacement than advertised motor) have exceptional hp/torque output, (not sure on current specs as I haven't read up on them in a while).

btw - I've been building bikes and cars since I was a kid. I rebuilt my first engine I'd say when I was around 11-12? (Suzuki GT250A). I've chopped bikes, rallied cars (TI Sunbeam), and whilst yes your yon big gas guzzler there will pull your 2-3 ton truck at a reasonable speed and in a straight line take out the lower displacement engined vehicle, but for overall drivability, the smaller engine is way more effiecient.

Heh - bring it over to Kielder Forest RAC rally course and see how long it would last - if it can last that circut, I'd say it's a good engine. best of my knowledge upto now no v8 engined vehicle driven in a competitive style has yet completed the course.
Mostly it would be the use of the Rover v8 which finds it's origins in an American v8 engine. (Name of which escapes me for the moment - Ah yes the buick) When buick rebuilt there engine way back in the early 60's[?], the old surplus engines were bought by Rover along with the tooling for engine production.
The heads were later to be redesigned with the traditional Rover rocker covers but some of the first produced still had the original Buick rockers. Very rare now those originals and worth a lot of money. This was later to be the engine or the basis of the engine that was used in the famous MGBGTv8 and also in that doc the TR7, both Rover vehicles.
Also, really you can also consider the Range Rover vanden plasv8 to be within the same origins as the Rover block, allthough being heavily re-designed and developed, it's origins are in the original Buick block (Small block if I remember correctly).

So yeah - lets see, a standard Pinto cross flow, standard approx. 65-70bhp(80 if your lucky). Blueprinted - your looking at anything over 130bhp+ and that is true of any engine.

em - yep I know a wee bit about it..

[MidnightViper88]

For responce, fuel efficiency, overall reliability/responce of the vehicle...

Sorry, but I couldn't read anything after this...500 horsepower on tap, and you're worried about burning gas?

[edit]Fuck it...Just to be fair, I'll post some information from the August 2004 issue of HOT ROD magazine...It's a nice 6-page read into the Gen-III GM V8 engine...I would take digital pictures of it (Since I don't have a scanner at this house), but the light quality is shit in my house at night, and the flash just puts light spots right in the fuckin' text where you can't read it anymore...

I'll get back to this discussion tomorrow... [/url]

[ElChevelle]

I've got to find my printer/scanner cable. I have that same article.

Again, will a Peugeot engine fit into my El Camino and perform as well?

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by ElChevelle
I've got to find my printer/scanner cable. I have that same article.

Again, will a Peugeot engine fit into my El Camino and perform as well?

Who would want a peugeot engine in the first place? I certainly wouldn't anyway. There 1.9gti's were quick little hatches but the engine had a tendency to over rev. Give them to much hammer and invariably they would blow up.

Now if you asked something like dropping the Opel/Vauxhall Carlton block in then yeah your gonna get as reasonable a power output as a stock Camino engine.

Or you could consider the very much underated Ford v6Emerald block. Or even the redesigned 2.8i block as fitted to the first Sierra 4x4. Nice torque output, very clean, snappy responce. Anyway both of those engines would give a reasonable output power.

However, you really need to factor in 'Power to Weight' ratio. A Camino is way heavier than a sierra, hence the reason for the larger displacement needed. If you really want to challenge those blocks, you have to start looking at the likes of the xjs v12's. Put a set of Alloy heads on replacing the stock cast heads and your then really starting to get decent torque and bhp output over standard, (Which is not to be sneezed - the stock xjs v12 gives a very good return).
Now thats a car thats pretty close to your Camino in power to weight ratio.

Look think of it like this - you get your large displacement engine with all it's xtra horses/tirque and drop it in a vehicle weighing in at a ton and a half. You then drop the same power into something weighing 3/4's..

Result is obvious. The lighter vehicle is gonna stomp all over the big block.
So even if I drop a v6emerald in a Sierra against your Camino with it's v8, even at standard I'm gonna beat you in a clean start due to the 'Power to Weight' factor. Thats simple math and no matter how a bod trys you cannot get out of those factors. It is also one of the least considered factors when folks go tuning there cars (Or bikes even!).

Now I'm not saying the v8's are not good solid engines that perform well all round but I am saying is why use a Gas guzzler when you can achieve the same with a more efficient smaller motor?

And please- theres no need to be 'orrid - A peugeot engine - jayz thats an insult to any decent motor and don't you dare say Golf gti :wags finger: oil burning hunks of junk (+ the door handles allways fall of volkswagens - I'm Sure the Germans are taking the piss with that one! lol)

[MidnightViper88]

Originally posted by Smeggle
Now I'm not saying the v8's are not good solid engines that perform well all round but I am saying is why use a Gas guzzler when you can achieve the same with a more efficient smaller motor?

Because it all broils down to personal aspects...Who cares; Run your 2 liters, we'll run our 8 cylinders...

Take a stripped down Fox-platform Mustang LX which is already pretty light in coupe form and modify the 302 engine - Best of both worlds...

Take an LS6 or Chevy 350 engine straight and put it in an already light car like a Datsun 240Z - Best of both worlds...

Get me?

[ElChevelle]

I'd never desecrate a Chevy by putting any other engine it,
unless maybe a Lambo V12

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
Because it all broils down to personal aspects...Who cares; Run your 2 liters, we'll run our 8 cylinders...

Take a stripped down Fox-platform Mustang LX which is already pretty light in coupe form and modify the 302 engine - Best of both worlds...

Take an LS6 or Chevy 350 engine straight and put it in an already light car like a Datsun 240Z - Best of both worlds...

Get me?

Well there you are - to get your PTWR you have to 'Strip' your Mustang and droping a small or large block v8 into a Datson 240z wouldn't be bad apart from you would need to do a shit load of customising and beefing on the chassis to make it some where viable, so bang go's your PTWR again. Unless of course you don't mind reshelling your motor every few thousand miles because you hit the gas that wee to much and twisted your chassis? Which is what is gonna happen with that heap of Jap junk.

LOL @ Chev - is that the v10 or v12 model, sir?

[MidnightViper88]

A Fox-Mustang LX with the 5.0 in coupe form only weighs 2700lbs...Take out the rear seats and carpeting, and you're looking at just a few hundred above 2000lbs...

Either way, your Cosworth would be in for a ride now...

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
A Fox-Mustang LX with the 5.0 in coupe form only weighs 2700lbs...Take out the rear seats and carpeting, and you're looking at just a few hundred above 2000lbs...

Either way, your Cosworth would be in for a ride now...

yeah and then I go do the same to the Cosworth

[MidnightViper88]

OK...I'll turbocharge my LS6 like you've turbocharged your 2L Cosworth and we'll call it even?

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
OK...I'll turbocharge my LS6 like you've turbocharged your 2L Cosworth and we'll call it even?

em - well teah ok - unless I switch to the Garret T12twinTurbo and Re-chip with that German chip I mentioned. As Standard, I'm pulling 6sec quarters and a top end speed of approx. 145-155mph. After convertion, stripping (As you did your mustang ), play with the injection system - I'll pull 160mph to 175mph top end and quarters in the 5.0 to 5.5sec region - So maybe instead of adding turbos, you may consider a Super Charger with injection for optimal fuel delivery.

I'd say that would make it more even - then we go driving on country lanes not highways...

Well, you gotta make it fun like - driving in a straight line is so boring no matter how fast the car go's. May as well just use a mini clubman and take in the scenery as you go go by if you want to drive in a straight line - fact I know a wicked road between a place called Penrith and Workington. Some awesome chicanes to go through - Ah! The memorie

I loved riding that rd on my 1100gixer 'No Fear' all the way!



























So yeah - I was a Street Racer - bite me

[MidnightViper88]

Originally posted by Smeggle
em - well teah ok - unless I switch to the Garret T12twinTurbo and Re-chip with that German chip I mentioned. As Standard, I'm pulling 6sec quarters and a top end speed of approx. 145-155mph. After convertion, stripping (As you did your mustang ), play with the injection system - I'll pull 160mph to 175mph top end and quarters in the 5.0 to 5.5sec region - So maybe instead of adding turbos, you may consider a Super Charger with injection for optimal fuel delivery.

How'bout I just rip an LS7 engine apart and shove the pushrods into your eyes? You're really starting to spite me now...

And no street racing me until you can convince me you can run a 500-hp 2-liter 4-cylinder street-legally, on 93 pump gas, while still meeting US emissions standards...

Oh, I almost forgot...

*bites Smeggle*

[Smeggle]

street-legally

Now theres no need to be nasty lol

Street Legally indeed! I'm shocked you'd ever think such a thing!

[ElChevelle]

Come on Smeggle.
I used to think your fullname was Smeggle J. Smiteworth until I googled you
Face it.
American muscle rules and when Euros can afford the fuel to meet their needs, they'll be just as popular on your roads

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by ElChevelle
Come on Smeggle.
I used to think your fullname was Smeggle J. Smiteworth until I googled you
Face it.
American muscle rules and when Euros can afford the fuel to meet their needs, they'll be just as popular on your roads

lol not according to the latest share prices on oil - going by that we'll all be driving mini's




hastily ducks chevs wrath

[MidnightViper88]

Fine, once the gas prices hit my wallet hard, maybe I'll switch to a little 4-cylinder...

















































But until then, the dinosaurs are still dead with their remains still being dug up, so I'll smoke V8 rubber while I can...

[ElChevelle]

I opt for two 4 cylinders melded together for the rest of my lust filled life.

[ScorLibran]

Hmmmmmm.....a 2001 530i with a Z06 powerplant...there's an idea. It'd be a similar result as installing an M5 engine, but at half the price. My engine bay would surely hold it; the configuration is already correct; I could custom mate it to my 5-spd auto/Steptronic transmission; stock torque converter is plenty strong enough to handle it. It'd be noisier and more petrol-thirsty than my 3.0L inline 6, but within acceptable bounds.

And I wonder what kind of looks I'd get from NSX pilots when a family sedan roars past them faster than they could keep up.

...then sensibility sets in...

There's a reason I didn't buy an M5 to begin with. I'm not a light-footed driver, and I'd probably be dead now if I bought much more power than I did. Had some experiences in my M3 that were bad enough. That's the reason I need to cap myself at something like 325 HP. So back to reality I go...

[MidnightViper88]

Originally posted by ScorLibran
Hmmmmmm.....a 2001 530i with a Z06 powerplant...there's an idea. It'd be a similar result as installing an M5 engine, but at half the price. My engine bay would surely hold it; the configuration is already correct; I could custom mate it to my 5-spd auto/Steptronic transmission; stock torque converter is plenty strong enough to handle it. It'd be noisier and more petrol-thirsty than my 3.0L inline 6, but within acceptable bounds.

...and here I thought it was blasphemous to drop a small-block Chevy in a Mustang...That combo would just prove you're nuts!

[BMWboy]

people have dropped 5.0 engines in an e30 3 series(thats a 3 series built between 84 and 91 for the non-BMW geeks). accleerates like a bat out of hell but handles like a pig, it gave the car a nasty front wheel weight bias

[ScorLibran]

Ah, another good reason not to do it. I like my near 50/50 f/r balance and the handling characteristics it provides. I'd love a cheap 500 HP engine, but the first time my car understeered would make me change my mind. I'm too addicted to taking cloverleafs at >80mph, and even more so in a big sedan.

The Z06 powerplant belongs in a car designed for the weight distribution it would incur (like in Chev's El Camino).

[Smeggle]

em guys we're talking about cars here beemers are reasonable but very overrated. Can pop one of there engines no problem. They do not like being over revved or excessive and aggressive gear changing.

@ snakey - you be better of just doing a complete block/gearbox install - the beemer box would not handle that kind of engine very well niether would the clutch/torque converter. You'd be better doing a straight install along with chassis strengthing. beemer chassis are notiriously weak.. even the m series had problems with flexing through corners. Could out handle a standard beemer in a cortina mk4/5 no problem because of it.
You'll also want to weight the back end a bit as that extra weight in the front end is really gonna let that back end slide out - great for broadsides but a pig to keep under control in normal driving circumstances (every day use) and in the wet your just asking for a rear end spin...

Two of the best conversions I ever saw was a v8 in an Austin Mini van and a Capri that had a Spitfire Aeroplane engine dropped in it! Fucking noise of the thing was mental lol ...

[ScorLibran]

Damn, my ribs hurt now.