Old 13th April 2014, 07:51   #1
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So Long XP. It was good knowing you!

After many stays of execution, the day finally came for Microsoft to drop support (4/8/2014). The story behind XP's signature wallpaper.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/21408...#tk.nl_pcwbest

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In my line of work, this has actually caused a massive snafu. Yes, we have known this was coming for years; there is nothing we could have done about it.

Validated systems running software from scientific vendors that runs scientific equipment. Vista was such a mess that no scientific vendor coded anything for it; use XP they said. Windows 7 came along and these same people said, XP is still supported, but yes, we are trying to get out Windows 7 drivers. The plug gets pulled on XP, vendors release drivers and compatible software months prior at best, and we are expected to revalidate all of our laboratory equipment in a few months?

Can't happen. The result: computers are being pulled onto closed networks/given no outside world access, which is making life a pain in the arse...
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computers are being pulled onto closed networks/given no outside world access, which is making life a pain in the arse...
that could be a good thing as depends if you're [not necessarily pointing at anyone specific] just meant to be working on them or browsing facebook all day long
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In my line of work, this has actually caused a massive snafu. Yes, we have known this was coming for years; there is nothing we could have done about it.

Validated systems running software from scientific vendors that runs scientific equipment. Vista was such a mess that no scientific vendor coded anything for it; use XP they said. Windows 7 came along and these same people said, XP is still supported, but yes, we are trying to get out Windows 7 drivers. The plug gets pulled on XP, vendors release drivers and compatible software months prior at best, and we are expected to revalidate all of our laboratory equipment in a few months?

Can't happen. The result: computers are being pulled onto closed networks/given no outside world access, which is making life a pain in the arse...
I've had to do this with some industrial equipment. These machines have controller cards which simply don't exist under Visa/7/8. Pulling them onto their own network is all well and good, but what happens when the hardware fails?

I actually had one industrial machine manufacturer tell me to go find something on ebay. I ended up finding a niche supplier for what this client needed, but that is not going to work in all cases.

To be clear, I'm not angry towards Microsoft for this. XP needed to go for about 10,000 reasons (and as a sysadmin, I was getting pretty tired of most of the GP preferences not working correctly, even with the client side extensions update. Good riddance). However, before too long, I'm going to have clients looking at replacing 7 figure equipment because a $2,000 PC died.

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I wish, I could have learned to know Windows XP...

March 2004 I had bought 2 computers with Windows XP for Frank. June 2007 one of his PCs had a virus, it had to be brought to the service shop, Windows XP had to be reinstalled. It wasn't possible anymore to turn on the other one. At the same time I bought a new PC for him, with Windows Vista 32-bit. August 2009 I bought my first own PC, also with Windows Vista 32-bit. July 2013 my PC got 2 new harddrives, and Windows Vista had to be reinstalled, it is 64-bit now. November 2011 I bought my notebook with Windows 7 64-bit for listening & watching to the music also in the bed. At first I always asked Frank, but now he always asks me, if there is a question about computing.

Somebody has said, a computer with Windows XP would be more vulnerable to viruses than a computer with Windows Vista or Windows 7. There will be no more Windows Update for Windows XP, but why shouldn't computers with Windows XP be used only in offline mode? Also the offline mode is possible. Many music composers prefer Windows XP. I tell the people also: "Don't take Windows 8, take Windows 7!".

I have fears, that our 2 old computers with Windows XP cannot be turned on anymore, and we don't have the money right now for the service shop (everything else has become more expensive in the last years). And then my plans cannot be implemented in the doing. I had already some very important plans with one of the old PCs, but I always miss so much in my life, also my own experiences with Windows XP...

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In my line of work, this has actually caused a massive snafu. Yes, we have known this was coming for years; there is nothing we could have done about it.

Validated systems running software from scientific vendors that runs scientific equipment. Vista was such a mess that no scientific vendor coded anything for it; use XP they said. Windows 7 came along and these same people said, XP is still supported, but yes, we are trying to get out Windows 7 drivers. The plug gets pulled on XP, vendors release drivers and compatible software months prior at best, and we are expected to revalidate all of our laboratory equipment in a few months?

Can't happen. The result: computers are being pulled onto closed networks/given no outside world access, which is making life a pain in the arse...
Looks like somebody is going to have to pull there heads in.
There are now 12 years out-of-the-loop...
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Though I understand your fundamental principle, one does not simply throw away a $750,000 UPLC/ms/ms because a $500 computer is out of date.
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Though I understand your fundamental principle, one does not simply throw away a $750,000 UPLC/ms/ms because a $500 computer is out of date.
Yes, that sacrifice makes no sense. People have problems with XP when they try to run current software/hardware with it. As long as you stay with apps designed for XP, kept it off the web, and maintain a backup of the apps and OS, there should be years more use left (assuming the hardware holds up).

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Yes, that sacrifice makes no sense. People have problems with XP when they try to run current software/hardware with it. As long as you stay with apps designed for XP, kept it off the web, and maintain a backup of the apps and OS, there should be years more use left (assuming the hardware holds up).
That has been my problem. It's (usually) easy enough to find the software again, but these CNC machines often have some specialized ISA card or something else equally obscure. It's hard enough finding a motherboard with ISA, let a lone a replacement for the card.

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That same ISA/other obscure card problem also exists for older instrumentation. What we have found is generally the controller card is the true limitation as no one makes drivers for the card to work on Vista/Win7/Win8.

It's really not a good place to be in. I would think there would be enough push back against these manufacturers the someone would get hired to write the drivers for a modern OS and get a PCI card made. Most vendors have software that runs on a modern OS and it really is a limitation on the ISA (or what ever) card.

As we are dealing with instruments that range from a half a million to a million dollars, it's worth revalidating the software/system for such an update. However, doing this for a $40,000 GC makes absolutely no sense and the computer gets pulled from the network ...
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Once the hardware starts failing, you just have to get modern equipment. The longer you wait, the more expensive it will be. Stock up on spare parts now, don't wait until something fails.

Back in the mid to late eighties I worked for a company that specialized in repairing obsolete equipment. Very few companies like that around today. The one I worked for shutdown is 1998 (too hard to get parts and people who knew how to use them). Our biggest customer was the FAA. They were still using equipment with vacuum tubes in it and paid millions to keep that stuff running.

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Okay, I was able to turn on this one old XP machine, but not the monitor, also "very good". And now? Without working monitor I cannot see something. The monitor is from 2004 like the other old monitor from Frank, which had died in November 2013. I had already bought a replacement monitor from Aldi in October, because his old monitor was dying on, and when it was dead, I had connected the new one immediately. No money right now for another new monitor, and the old XP machine will go off again in some minutes directly via the button. At least I hear "life" from this machine...

Then I have to "jump into the cold water", a German phrase, if a person has to try something very new, although this person is afraid a little bit. I have only my PC and my notebook now, and I have to try something very new directly there. You know, I cannot take Frank's PC without asking him, and he wants to keep his PC "very simple" (also no Winamp on his PC). I hope it will go well, if I "jump" today...

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Hi Sabine,

It has been my experience that things are often not as bad as I imagined they would be. I've lost a lot of time I could have spent enjoying things that I was hesitant on trying. After I finally 'jumped into the cold water', it usually turned out alright.

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I have finally 'jumped into the cold water', too (PC & Notebook), and everything went well...

The old XP machine has a disk space of only 32 GB anyway, not enough for me. Also the 32 GB micro SDHC cards for my cheap Android devices (bought 2012) are not enough for me. I need much more. For my PC I have 2x 1000 GB, for my notebook I have 1x 750 GB. 1000 GB would have been much better, but at least my notebook has media keys, which is also very important. Both computer have 4 GB RAM. I think, the old XP machine has only 1 GB RAM...

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Thank You, Aminifu. I will try to do the best.

I remember, I had posted in Facebook, that Windows 8 would look very ugly. Someone, much younger than me, had commented: "Ich bleibe bei XP, bis ich in die Kiste springe!" ("I'll stay on XP, until I'll jump into the box!"). He wants to still use XP, as long as he is alive.

Someone else is very angry, that XP is unsupported now, because he had installed some very expensive software. These versions don't work on Windows 7. He would have to buy newer versions of all the software, and he would have to pay again very much money. Otherwise he could still use XP, but offline, as long as his XP machine would work, and for the internet he could use another computer.

On XP the "Transparent Firefox", customized with Stylish, wasn't possible yet. Vista and above is required. I love to see Milkdrop in Desktop Mode behing my "Transparent Firefox" (with Winamp in Windowshade Mode). On my PC with Windows Vista I have no problems doing that, but on my notebook with Windows 7 I have the flickering-problems, if I put Milkdrop on the desktop. It will be a nightmare for me, if Windows Vista will be unsupported some day. I know, that many people hate Windows Vista, but I love this Windows Version.

I don't really know, why one of the XP machines didn't work anymore July 2007. January 2006 there was a pipe break in the apartment above, and we got a water damage. The apartments below stayed dry, because we were at home. We had to move, and after the moving we checked our music synthesizers, TV etc. They still worked, but maybe the water damage was the cause, why suddenly we were not able anymore to turn on this XP machine, while I had to bring the other one to the service shop. For a passionated XP User a fire in the house or apartment would be a nightmare (it would be the most terrible nightmare anyway). Maybe a damaged XP machine could be repaired, but a destroyed XP machine can never be replaced, also not by an insurance.

We do not want to think about such things, we should enjoy our computers, mobile devices and of course also our Winamps. And I have learned, we should be something brave...

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On my PC with Windows Vista I have no problems doing that, but on my notebook with Windows 7 I have the flickering-problems, if I put Milkdrop on the desktop.
Have you tried the following:

1. Right click Computer, choose Properties > Advanced system settings
2. Go to Advanced tab, click Settings (in Performance section)
3. Untick "Animate controls and elements inside windows"
4. Click OK twice

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The monitor of the old XP machine works. I have checked the cables and reconnected. The power cable wasn't connected correctly...

I have deleted some other WAVs, which I don't need on the XP machine (the music didn't have been from us, and it's already on the other 2 computers). On this machine there should be only music & videos from us, also only my own artwork. I want to keep enough disk space free. I have discovered, the local harddrive C has totally 37.2 GB, 5.32 GB are still free, the other 31.9 GB contain our own artist works. The backup D has totally 34.3 GB, 31.8 GB are free, 2.44 GB are in use. The recover E has totally 2.92 GB, 1.39 GB are free, 1.53 GB are in use. I have also looked into the control panel. The monitor has a screen resolution of 1024x768 pixel, I read also: "Plug and Play-Monitor with NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X (Microsoft Corporation)". The soundcard seems to be Realtek AC97 Audio, but I see no "What You Hear" and no "Stereomix" in the settings. I have already mentioned, that June 2007 Windows XP had to be reinstalled.

There is only IrfanView, Goldwave 2001 and the Windows Media Player for XP. I have played a short video. Not sure, if Winamp will come to there. Maybe Frank wants to use this machine. It has 2 accounts: Frank's account and mine. I have turned on the XP machine with Frank's account. But also if no Winamp will come to there, at least our own music and those .wmv-files, which I have created with Windows Movie Maker, our album art, my textures and my Terragen Artwork are there now. Frank could use this machine offline again, if he wants that.

Aminifu, I have copied Your instructions via .txt-file to my notebook. I didn't have the time yet to try that, because Frank and I got an E-Mail yesterday. The broadcast on Mixlr is not for free anymore. I had a bad evening, after on 29th April I had enjoyed one of the cPro2-Skins so much, and I wanted to repeat that. I have already created 5 new .m3u-playlists with Winamp for my next live-broadcasts...

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Thank You, Aminifu. Then I have also very good news for the video-artists, who want to create Winamp-Milkdrop-Videos for YouTube on Windows 7. I have played some songs of the long playlist "Ambient & Deep House" (I do that always in Shuffle Mode with Repeat Playlist)...

I think, it is very good, that the old XP machine has 2 user-accounts. I have already some ideas. "Frank" will go off now, and the next time "Sabine" will go on...

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The monitor of the old XP machine works. I have checked the cables and reconnected. The power cable wasn't connected correctly...
That happens a lot, or the power indicator stops working and the device is actually switched off when you think it is switched on.

When I was doing service work over the phone, my first question was; "Are you sure it's turned on and getting power?".

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Hahahahaha...

The monitor has a power supply unit and 2 cables. The cable to the network connector wasn't connected correctly anymore with the power supply unit, maybe it had happened during one of the clean-up operations in the apartment. Suddenly I wanted to check the cables. I have disconnected the cable from the monitor and I have followed the way of the cable. Then I have discovered, it belongs to this power supply unit. I have reconnected the cable with the monitor, then I have checked the connection of the other cable from the power supply unit to the network connector, it was no longer fixed in the power supply unit. But the connection works again now...

The other old monitor for Frank's Vista machine was more in use, while the monitor for the XP machine was only rarely in use. The monitor for his Vista machine had made more and more problems, until it was really dead. I had the replacement monitor already at home and I just needed to connect it. Frank had to get used to it, that he has to work with 16:9 now instead of 4:3. He loved more 4:3, while I love more 16:9 and 16:10 (the monitor for my Vista machine is in 16:10). The Winamp Skins Bento and cPro2_-_Winamp_for_Mac_Sync.wal really look better on 16:9 & 16:10 than on 4:3. Okay, for the XP machine also the 4:3 monitor will do the job for me now...

The XP machine will not become a further Workstation PC for me, but I can use it now, I can do with it, what I want, and both accounts are administrator accounts. To change between them, I have changed the waiting time for the screensaver from 60 minutes to 15 minutes, then I can change between the accounts during the same session. You have already suggested different installations in different accounts. But on the XP machine I have changed from "Frank" to "Sabine" now, and on the desktop I don't see "Arbeitsplatz", Goldwave 2001 and the folders anymore, only Avira etc. Okay, then a few new installs will come into Frank's account and not into mine. I have copied only a very small selection of setups from the USB-Sticks into a new folder on the desktop, I have also sorted them in subfolders...

Edit: I have found the solution for the desktop in Systemsteuerung > Darstellung und Designs > Desktophintergrund ändern > Desktop anpassen. At least I can see now also "Eigene Dateien", "Arbeitsplatz" and "Internet Explorer" (maybe still useful for .html-files), although I cannot see Goldwave 2001 and the few created folders on the desktop, and I have access to the music, videos and artwork only via "Arbeitsplatz" > "Dateien von Frank" ("Dateien von Sabine" doesn't contain these files). I have made also some other changings, in "Sabine" I wanted to have now "Stonehenge" instead of "Grüne Idylle", in "Frank" I have changed from "Kein" to "Zeitmaschine". I will go back to there, while I am learning to know XP very late (we have already 2014)...

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Though I understand your fundamental principle, one does not simply throw away a $750,000 UPLC/ms/ms because a $500 computer is out of date.
Oh, It's Drivers. Sorry I misunderstood your post and though it was a software toolkit.


Windows XP is the last windows OS that has a "classic" vibe (if you could call it that)
Windows XP was perfect for me to experience old OS's without actually ever using them.

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XP ... classic! That's funny.

Guess you never used (or saw) DOS or Windows 3.1.

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I look on the old XP machine everyday for some minutes. I can do with it, what I want, because Frank doesn't use it anymore. I had moved some folders and files, to make everything more tidy, also I had renamed some WAV-files in a folder, because they didn't have the artist name yet, and I had added cover.jpg into the folder. I had left the other folders, how they are. The Windows Media Player is very confusing, although before June 2007 once I listened to some WAV-files with headphones. At least once Frank had put 4 or 5 songs into a list. But the Windows Media Player on XP is an old cucumber and I cannot deal with it (fortunately such problems can always be solved!). Just found again a longer WAV-file, which I have checked with Goldwave 2001 (at first I thought, it would be the shorter YouTube-Version)...

What was Windows 3.1? I know only something about Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000 and Windows ME. I saw once Windows 95 and Windows 98, and 1997 I saw also the game "Creatures" (with the Norns) the first time on a friend's PC (Windows 95). Later he sold his PC to us, because he bought another PC, then we ourselves bought a PC with Windows 98, and I had to edit the typos very often, when we worked on our textes for Transwelten. But before July 2010 I never saw Winamp (only the Winamp-Milkdrop-Videos in YouTube)...

Maybe someone should compose the "Nostalgia Beats" (such a song doesn't exist yet, at least not in YouTube)...

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What was Windows 3.1?
It was the first commercially successful version of Windows, released in 1992. It caused me to buy my first pc, before then I only used them at work. That pc and AOL software introduced me to the internet at home and personal e-mail (a few years before the WWW got started). 22 years ago, a long time for some, relatively short for others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x

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Oooh... And I had always thought, Windows 95 would have been the first Windows Version. But today I have learned...

Okay, and I have just listened to a song on YouTube (and watched the video):
http://forums.winamp.com/showpost.ph...ostcount=26289
But when I saw the Windows Media Player on Windows Vista in action, I thought, the new visualizer is more boring than the old one. I never watched them, when I listened on Windows Vista. Then the older visualizer on Windows XP was much better, although never so good like Milkdrop 2. But on both Windows Versions the Windows Media Player is very confusing, it doesn't give me the neccessary overview and the XP Version is more difficult for me than the Vista Version. But I have "solved" the problems with the Windows Media Player on XP...

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Okay, and I have just listened to a song on YouTube (and watched the video):
Thanx for the tune. To be honest, I don't listen to a lot of that style anymore. Not enough hours in a day!

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Most people don't have enough hours in a day (also I myself). But it's more important, if someone has a well-paid job without overtime.

I still want to post the link to all uploads of this other YouTube-User now:
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At first this user had used the Windows Media Player on XP, then the Windows Media Player on Vista and later Winamp.

Since some years the "U-Bahn TV" in the Berlin U-Bahn (the metro trains in Berlin) is used, there are also places with infos on the U-Bahn-Stations. And the supermarket Kaisers uses LCD-monitors for their advertisement-videos. Windows XP was always used for that, and I saw the old error-message "Softwarename has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." twice. For Vista & Win7 it's the error-message "Softwarename has stopped working". What will the Berlin U-Bahn and Kaisers do now, if Windows XP is not supported anymore after 14 years?

2 years ago I discovered in a Turkish snack bar an old notebook with XP. The team had always used it for the internet, and they wanted to play also music from their notebook via their HiFi Systems. But suddenly their notebook didn't work anymore and it had to be brought to the service shop. After some weeks it was back, and I saw the screensaver of Windows XP again. The team had played music from YouTube in Firefox via the HiFi Systems very often, or they had surfed with Firefox. I think, they have to disconnect their notebook from the internet now and they have to use another notebook with Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 8 / 8.1, if not already done (I didn't see it in action anymore since 1 month).

Okay, Windows XP had lived for 14 years. Will also Windows Vista and Windows 7 live for 14 years? Then those computers can stay connected until 2020 and 2023. And then the users would have to use Windows 8 / 8.1 and above. I hope, Winamp & Milkdrop will work also on future Windows Versions, not only on Vista & Win7...

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Old 7th May 2014, 17:15   #29
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Windows XP is the last windows OS that has a "classic" vibe (if you could call it that)
Windows XP was perfect for me to experience old OS's without actually ever using them.
What exactly are you referring to? If it's the look and feel, you still can use the "old look" if you want -- the options for it might be a bit difficult to find, but they're still there. At work I have Aero disabled on 7, and so on, because I don't want to be distracted by the flashy effects and whatnot. You can even disable most of the new start menu/taskbar features if you really want to.

If it's applications, I don't know what your beef is -- you might not be able to run really old games or the like (but then there's DOSBox and such), but most applications have either been updated to work on "newer" versions of Windows (i.e. 2000+) or have been superceded with applications that have...

XP, like every other OS put out by .. uh.. anyone, was slated to have support dropped for it eventually -- you knew this, everyone else did. XP might just be the one that survived the longest, which certainly does say a few things about it, but that doesn't mean it's going to be around forever.

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XP ... classic! That's funny.

Guess you never used (or saw) DOS or Windows 3.1.
I remember using DOS and Win 3.1 on a 486 laptop in high school. Yup. 486. Laptop. Oh, and the battery was completely dead so I had to carry around the brick and plug it in, in any class I wanted to use it with. Fun times.
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I remember using DOS and Win 3.1 on a 486 laptop in high school. Yup. 486. Laptop. Oh, and the battery was completely dead so I had to carry around the brick and plug it in, in any class I wanted to use it with. Fun times.
Yeah, the good old days!

Those machines were both a joy and a pain. My first was a 386SX desktop (1st thing I had to add was a math coprocessor). Things have come so far and the costs have dropped so much, the youth of today would not believe it and they think they have problems. Of course they do, but it's all relative. One day these machines and software will work like they should and most should be able to afford them (maybe).

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Okay, Windows XP had lived for 14 years. Will also Windows Vista and Windows 7 live for 14 years? Then those computers can stay connected until 2020 and 2023. And then the users would have to use Windows 8 / 8.1 and above. I hope, Winamp & Milkdrop will work also on future Windows Versions, not only on Vista & Win7...
No, I don't think so. It was a mistake to let XP last so long without an update. In the computer world, things become obsolete in 18 months or less. Old OSes just hold back innovation. It's amazing that XP worked (and still works) so well for so long.

As far as Winamp & Milkdrop is concerned, people like us (and DrO) will find ways to keep them working long into the future.

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As far as Winamp & Milkdrop is concerned, people like us (and DrO) will find ways to keep them working long into the future.
only if it is reasonable to do so i.e. it doesn't restrict required feature support.

as I've recently made changes to the internal code as part of a general cleanup which forces the minimum version of Windows supported to be XP SP3 (previously most of it could still run on Windows 2000 despite our dropping of official support for it). but if there's somethings we need to do which XP SP3 doesn't support then we'd either have to drop XP support completely or restrict access to the feature as applicable.

as I will try to keep Winamp going on XP as long as is reasonable but its a pain to test on it when its not my primary OS (which is what led to the demise of our Windows 2000 support - and because now it doesn't have the support for certain key changes we need to make).

and obviously our aim is to make sure that we will run correctly on newer versions of Windows which in most cases should require only minimal fixes (as a should be good for anything beyond Windows 8.x for a while, especially after after all of the changes made with 5.64-5.66x).
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Hi DrO,

My optimistic comment was related to your last comment above and not about continued support for XP. However I expect XP uses are happy that you will try to keep Winamp running on it as long as reasonable, even though it is currently a pain to do so.

Even though she didn't say so in her comment; "I hope, Winamp & Milkdrop will work also on future Windows Versions, not only on Vista & Win7...", I'm sure that Sabine knows that Winamp is running on Windows 8 and 8.1 desktop mode now.

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yeah, i thought i'd just come at things from both ends of the stick as future and legacy OS support is an issue however you look at things. and with the dropping of XP support, maybe it's a niche the new Winamp can maintain for those wanting a standalone player. as it's only really the taskbar preview, UAC handling and file association handling changes which vary over the versions of Windows and pretty much everything else we use is OS independent.
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I don't have a computer with Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 yet, and it will not happen in the next time, that I would buy a further computer (not enough money). Also I don't have so many "real contacts" in Berlin anymore, many people have disappointed me or they have simply retired. I have only less "real friends". A girl-friend wanted to buy a notebook soon (I think, it will be Windows 8 / 8.1), but the way to her is too long. I didn't see a computer with Windows 8 / 8.1 in action yet, so that I cannot say, what I see on Windows 8 / 8.1.

But I am sure, that Windows 9 will come out 2015 and Windows 10 will come out 2018, if Microsoft stays on the current 3-year cycle. And then Winamp & Milkdrop should work also on Windows 9, Windows 10 and above. It can happen at any time, that suddenly a person has to buy a new computer, for example because an older Windows Version is not supported anymore.

For 1 hour I was sitting again at the old XP machine. I have checked some sound-samples & sound-patterns (Spoken Words) in Frank's username-folder. I can see them also from the other user-account via "Arbeitsplatz". I have learned to know the difference between the 2 user-accounts. It's very good to have 2 user-accounts on the old XP machine and to have only 1 user (me) on my Workstation PC (Vista) and on my notebook (Win7). Also Frank is the only one user on his Workstation PC (Vista), although he keeps his PC very simple with the very boring Windows Media Player and with only less software.

Of course I have read, that the newest Winamp Versions should work on Windows 8 / 8.1, and I am also sure, everything will be done to get Winamp working also on Windows 9, Windows 10 and above...

BTW, I love it, how Winamp is looking now on Windows Vista & Windows 7...

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i think window xp will become a legend its really friendly user and i thik is a good leep from previous window system
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... as it's only really the taskbar preview, UAC handling and file association handling changes which vary over the versions of Windows and pretty much everything else we use is OS independent.
Yeah, but those 3 areas you list are major things for XP users to get use to.

The taskbar preview feature is a great addition, imo (the others are necessary evils I guess). I use the "gen_win7shell.dll" plug-in to allow me greater control over what is shown in the preview and it expands what can be added to the jumplist context menu.

Now if there was only a way to get Windows to show Winamp when using <Win+Tab> to cycle thru open apps (it does show when using <Alt+Tab>).

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Now if there was only a way to get Windows to show Winamp when using <Win+Tab> to cycle thru open apps (it does show when using <Alt+Tab>).
Windows does show a small image when using classic skins with the <Win+Tab> cyclying. It doesn't show anything when using modern skins.

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it's due to how modern skins are implemented and i'm not aware of a way to work around it (like we're able to do with with the taskbar preview). though as Win 8.x has dropped the Win+Tab option, i'm not sure if it's worth trying to find a work around (which so far i've not found).
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I didn't look deeper into the previews of Winamp in the taskbar on Vista & Win7 yet (I should do that the next time), and Windows 8 / 8.1 has the Metro View by default. The most of my former & remained contacts in Berlin don't have a computer, or some of them have Mac instead of Windows. If a few of them had Winamp on the PC, then Winamp wasn't open at the time, when I had visited them and their PCs were turned on. But also I myself have retired, and I will not see a computer of someone else in the next time.

Aminifu, You have said in post #31, You don't think so, Vista & Win7 would live for the same long time like XP did. 14 years were very long, also I agree, that XP is a legend in the computer world. Sure, an old XP machine will still work, until the motherboard will break. And it has already been mentioned in this thread, that old replacement parts are not available anymore.

Again I have found true XP Users in Facebook. One of them got the automatic installation of an unwanted software during visiting a website and didn't have success yet to get rid off this malware (maybe a reinstall of Windows XP will be neccessary). We have discussed, and then someone has said, such an unwanted installation wouldn't have happened on Vista, Win7 and above, because UAC prevents it. I get the UAC message on Vista & Win7 also, if I copy & paste Winamp Skins and Milkdrop Presets.

On XP there is no UAC. I have missed Notepad++ on the old XP machine and also the "Mp3.dll" in the plugins folder of IrfanView, and I have changed that without getting the UAC message. It's very good, that the old XP machine is offline forever. Nobody can hack into this machine via the internet and make some changings on the computer without my knowledge.

Many people complain about UAC, especially, if they want to start an installed software and if they are prompted with the UAC message (sometimes it can happen, too), but I think, UAC is very good, since I have seen that with the mentioned example in Facebook now. And I think, nobody wants to get suddenly an unwanted software on the computer.

I wish good luck for my Facebook-Friend with the old XP machine...

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